The NCR is weak in the Mojave. They are still strong as a whole. It is mentioned multiple times that most of their best troops are deployed elsewhere do to political considerations.
That's not a sign of the NCR being strong.
Distance between let's say LA and New Vegas is 265 miles, medieval army's were capable of traveling 20 to a hundred miles a day yet the MCR struggled to supply their forces with decent equipment.
NCR logistics even with minimum effort shouldn't be outperform by medieval societies in logistics.
The NCR wasn't facing immediate famine in New Vegas. They were facing a potential famine in the coming decades. There is a big difference. And one of the whole points of the quest in which this is mentioned is that the NCR and the OSI are aware of the issue and are taking steps to mitigate it. Thus they want the research from Vault 22.
You accuse me of not knowing the lore? You have consistently taken lore out of context, made ridiculous assumptions not supported even in Bethesda lore, and then screamed insults at anyone who points out you're wrong.
Arguing with you is like arguing with a leftist.
Love how you say I ignore the lore and I'm taking it out of context when at the same time the results of the Vault 22 Quest end in one of two ways.
1) Technology that created spore monsters is going to be improperly applied and result in potential destruction of the NCR
Now all that's left is to ensure that none of this ever happens again. The research that led to these abominations must be erased.-Kelly
"Don't you realize what those files represent? If they get into the wrong hands, this could happen all over again."-Kelly
Or
2) The technology that would save the NCR is destroyed and the potential solution to the NCR's problem is gone now they're facing mass starvation in a decade
Or, for a layman such as yourself - not enough food, too many mouths to feed. Mass starvation. In a decade or so. -Thomas
This is even with the Mojave supplementing them with more water and resources. So with the extra water from the Mojave their food reserves is only good enough
for ten years and that's if they don't lose the dam.
SO yeah they managed to buy themselves 10 years and depending on the New Vegas ending less than ten years.
I actually paid attention to the lore unlike you
Yeah and look how there's no date for the mushroom cloud and right next to it is "The Fall of Shady Sands". There's no box for the nuclear event either. Surprising how its easy to assume that it means it was nuked in 2277.
Or they just didn't write in the exact date because it's a chalk board and they're teaching history
1. Why not put "Fall of the NCR" if it was a general fall of a country? The Capital being mentioned with a direct date implies something far different.
Because the NCR still exists
2. Thanks for arguing my point. None of that was mentioned and Vault-Tec still nuked Shady Sands.
2. The fuck you smoking the water shortages were mentioned several times of course the issues were mentioned. So what Vault Tec nuked Shady sands, they nuked the Enclave don't hear me complaining about Obsidian destroying the Enclave oil base.
"This doesn't matter to me so I gotta compare it to other things that didn't matter to me." Why even include this in your rebuttal?
Because it's
hypocritical
If the NCR or Brotherhood were destroyed by Obsidian writing you'd be sucking it's dick about how amazing the writing is just because its Obsidian, you're just arguing contrary while ignoring the same stupid shit in Obsidian writing.
I get that this conversation is opinionated but saying you don't care about something isn't a valid way to convince me of your point. Especially considering that a lot of people do care about the NCR. You missed the entire point of us bitching about the show dunking on the older games.
A lot of people also care about Bethesda stuff and 83% of the audience liked it but you guys started shitting on the show first for the most miniscule of semantics
You know why you missed it? Because you don't care. You just said it outright.
I don't care about your faction I care about my favorite faction and you don't see me cursing Bethesda out
You act like NCR was your literal flesh and blood child, news flash factions aren't real you can dislike your faction getting destroyed but to have a hate boner because of it is silly especially since the NCR with the rangers and shit only appeared in one game before that we just had people in combat armor
I love how my moderate takes go nowhere. I don't shit on any Bethesda game. I don't give any scorn to anyone having a different opinion than me. I think the show is decent by itself. Yet I am the one being accused of coping for not liking it.
You say it's half decent then cry it destroyed the previous Fallout Legacy, make up your mind.
You mentioned a water crisis yet forgot about it here in your comparison of Bethesda/Obsidian lore. You forgot about Ulysses as well. Nice.
The East Coast doesn't have the same water crisis as the West Coast. East has a lot of irradiated water where as West has a lot more pure water but less water reserves than the East.
It's irrelevant but I'm surprised your not whining the Bethesda gave the East Cost too much water
You accuse me of turning a blind eye instead of judging both fairly. Obviously when I said the show stands well on its own and its decent...
This is partially why debating on a forum is hard. Some people legit won't be convinced. Instead ad hominem's roll out.
Back atcha
I could easily discuss how to improve the show without deleting it wholesale. Maybe even add things that I personally would think are cool. I can be fairly positive about things that aren't garbage.
Let me guess making the story revolve around the NCR? Because face it people are butt hurt it doesn't circle jerk the NCR.
I'll leave my moderate take here again for anyone who likes the show and sees its flaws as an non-casual fan. "The show stands well on its own. Its a decent show. But for old gamers like me the show falls short and feels almost malicious."
If you don't care about the things I care about then obviously my points wouldn't convince you.
Don't call the show a disgrace to the legacy as moderate
