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[Warmaster]

Probably the only valid criticism you've had so far lol



1. Robert House isn't a good guy, you have to make up your mind first it's not accurate but when they do something accurate about the character you're then upset about it?
2. They didn't instigate it, they guaranteed it would happen. There's a difference.

1. According to your interpretation. From my POV I haven't seen a single thing the guy has done to indicate that he's down about talking about profits with Vault-Tec guaranteeing the nuclear apocalypse. Anything else is conjecture. Its interpretation espcially considering House was trying to save at least something before the Great War and wasn't cool with the Legion at all.
2. Oh your correct. What's your point? Vault-Tec did that and I hated it.

You don't like it is fine saying that it slandered the original games in a gross mischaracterization of the show, it's just fans like you that over exaggerate the wasteland background of Bethesda.

Bethesda has only made three games and of those three only one didn't involve rebuilding society, Fallout 4 literally has the Capital rebuilt by the Brotherhood of Steel, Fallout 76 literally has you rebuilding Appalachia. Fallout 3 is literally the only game where society wasn't in the process of rebuilding itself.

That's not an "obsession for wastelands"

Slandered? You realize that it retcons an entire city away? And turns the capital into a crater? That's actually something that happens. That's not good in my opinion.

I didn't criticize the other games. I like them. I may disagree with some of the choices but you won't see me shitting on them.

My comment on Bethesda dunking on the legacy of 3 different games is only the truth. Its an opinion. They retcon an entire city away and then turn the capital into a crater? Yeah I'm going to bitch.

They nuked a city, if you're mad that Shady Sands doesn't exist anymore that's fine but I literally factually debunked your claim of "they nuked the entire NCR".


I'm fine with people not liking it, what I'm not fine with is obvious blatant misinformation to make the show sound worse than it actually is.

It's being malicious out of spite not genuine criticism.

"Misinformation" "debunked"

Where did I say the entire NCR was nuked into the ground? Maybe my rhetoric was scaling up the destruction or something? If your going to claim that I'm spreading misinfo then don't do it yourself.

I have my own takes on what the NCR outside the Shady Sands region looks like and I get that you disagree and think it should look like Fallout 1. Doesn't mean that I do. I have to assume that's what you meant by "I literally factually debunked your claim of "they nuked the entire NCR"."

I haven't been malicious at all. I think as a show it stands well by itself. If you look to my first posts I just said if you like Fallout: New Vegas or the first two games then you probably won't like the show. I said it broke my heart.

For Christ sake dude, you're acting like it's worse than the Halo TV show.

I mean look at this. You aren't looking at my argument. You keep calling me a Bethesda hater. You say I don't like Bethesda games. You say that I am "acting like X". You aren't really debating with me.

You bring up the other games over and over again. I'm not arguing for them. I've said it dunks on the legacy of the other games.

You claim I am nitpicking. Then nitpick yourself despite you obviously knowing what I meant.

Sad that it's connected to a series that shat on FNV and Fallout 2. They did such a damn good job at set work. Why couldn't they spare more for the writing? Why even put it in California?

Couldn't they just put it in Colorado or something? That way they can do whatever they want with a Vault-Tec plotline without spitting on the legacy of older games. They took California and made it feel like its Fallout 1/2 again. Whatever legacy the games had is now gone.

Its just wasteland 24/7 and it will never evolve from that. Ever.

I even put out an alternative. This is a fair take that would've made everyone happy. Except Legion players.

You attack my argument like you think I don't think its plausible. I'm shitting on the choice of keeping everything terrible. Big difference.

I'm allowed to criticize the narrative. My guess is that you are going to make another argument saying "but it makes sense considering other Bethesda games etc."

I'm just done with this argument. Do whatever and say whatever you want.

 

[Vyor]

That's what you get when you only have 18 months to develop a game. It also doesn't help that the game is as linear as it is. You literally have to follow the path south unless you can avoid the Deathclaws to the north.

18 months... with an already finished engine and assets and the devs starting the DLC halfway through development. Yeah, anyone coping with that can go fuck themselves. AMD, Nvidia, and Intel make new GPUs and CPUs in 18 months and have done so for a decade.

What that would be?

Ulysses

 

[TheRejectionist]

Yeah nuking Shady Sands is kinda of a cheap move.

I am didn't understand though if the NCR is still a functional existing state or just devolved into Somalianarchy.

 

[Warmaster]

Yeah nuking Shady Sands is kinda of a cheap move.

I am didn't understand though if the NCR is still a functional existing state or just devolved into Somalianarchy.

I don't know why they did it. Personally I think they just wanted to reuse BoS... again.

IMO A big plot in Colorado would be nice. Fallout: Tactics being a goner would allow them to recycle whatever they want from that game. They can even reuse the BoS without worry.

 

[Scooby Doo]

1. According to your interpretation. From my POV I haven't seen a single thing the guy has done to indicate that he's down about talking about profits with Vault-Tec guaranteeing the nuclear apocalypse. Anything else is conjecture. Its interpretation espcially considering House was trying to save at least something before the Great War and wasn't cool with the Legion at all.

Then you didn't pay attention to the scene in question, Vault tech was begging him for investment he just wanted to know what he'd get out of it. If anything the show benefits with him having a headstart to prepare for the apocalypse.

2. Oh your correct. What's your point? Vault-Tec did that and I hated it.

Get your facts straight about what you hate
There's a difference between this guy killed someone with their bare hands and this guy blocked traffic which resulted in someone dying.

Slandered? You realize that it retcons an entire city away? And turns the capital into a crater? That's actually something that happens. That's not good in my opinion.

Ok a city got moved oh my God it's the end of the entire series a single city was moved a couple hundred miles , did this move retcon all the NCR Characters from FO 1? Did it retcon any events in Fallout 1? Did it say the NCR was never founded?

But yeah it turned the city into a crater, so? You act like NCR territory can't get nuked which it's literally something you can do in New Vegas. That's not shitting on the legacy that's world building that you don't like

I didn't criticize the other games. I like them. I may disagree with some of the choices but you won't see me shitting on them.

And neither did I criticize all the games, just tired of people bitching about muh post apocalypse society

My comment on Bethesda dunking on the legacy of 3 different games is only the truth. Its an opinion. They retcon an entire city away and then turn the capital into a crater? Yeah I'm going to bitch.

Okay so they retconned an entire city away? New Vegas retconned an entire species away I don't see you whining about that

"Misinformation" "debunked"

Where did I say the entire NCR was nuked into the ground? Maybe my rhetoric was scaling up the destruction or something? If your going to claim that I'm spreading misinfo then don't do it yourself.

You're literally complaining about a "Government" getting destroyed, Shady Sands is a singular city not the entirety of the NCR

fuck dude they literally mention the NCR Government still is existing one fucking minute into the an episode of the show, Jesus Christ was Shady Sands your mother??????

I have my own takes on what the NCR outside the Shady Sands region looks like and I get that you disagree and think it should look like Fallout 1. Doesn't mean that I do. I have to assume that's what you meant by "I literally factually debunked your claim of "they nuked the entire NCR"."

So basically "lala I don't like what is factually true and stated in the lore by Obsidian and want to imagine fanfiction" because the Boneyard aka L.A was still a shit hole in Obsidian only canon.

I haven't been malicious at all. I think as a show it stands well by itself. If you look to my first posts I just said if you like Fallout: New Vegas or the first two games then you probably won't like the show. I said it broke my heart.

Saying it shitted on the legacy is literally being malicious, FO through New Vegas had more going for it than a single zone called Shady Sands.

Imean look at this. You aren't looking at my argument. You keep calling me a Bethesda hater. You say I don't like Bethesda games. You say that I am "acting like X". You aren't really debating with me.

I'm not arguing because you're not mentioning anything worth substance to be so critical of the show.

You bring up the other games over and over again. I'm not arguing for them. I've said it dunks on the legacy of the other games.

The other games get brought up because you're being melodramatic that the Fallout universe isn't some sort of Utopian Society.

You claim I am nitpicking. Then nitpick yourself despite you obviously knowing what I meant.

You are 10,000% Nitpicking

You're literally saying the show disrespected the series because the NCR capital should have never been moved or damaged.

You attack my argument like you think I don't think its plausible. I'm shitting on the choice of keeping everything terrible. Big difference.

Because your reasons for disliking the show isn't based on anything with substance.

You: I don't like House worked with Vault Tech he would never do that
Actual lore: He literally does that
You: NCR will be EVERYWHERE LITERALLY EVERYWHERE INDUSTRY FACTORIES MILLIONS!!!!!!
Actual lore: Lucy was traveling in an explicitly highly underdeveloped geographic location of NCR territory.
You: Shady Sands got destroyed, so much disrespect!!!
Actual lore: You can nuke NCR territories in Lone Divide, no one complains about the disrespect.

I'm allowed to criticize the narrative. My guess is that you are going to make another argument saying "but it makes sense considering other Bethesda games etc."

Criticize the narrative yeah
The show's plot was weak, the NCR antagonist was underwhelming, the plot twist about the Vault 33 experiment was goofy. But your complaints literally boil down to because the show didn't revolve around jerking off the NCR that it made the show worse.

I swear if someone complains that the series ruined Fallout because a city got destroyed I'm going to get a brain aneurysm. People act like Shady Sands was their Mother or some nonsense, Shady Sands literally appeared in only two games.

Try to critique the show without mentioning the NCR

I'm just done with this argument. Do whatever and say whatever you want.

Yeah whatever just don't lie about things that the show didn't do

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yeah nuking Shady Sands is kinda of a cheap move.

I am didn't understand though if the NCR is still a functional existing state or just devolved into Somalianarchy.

The NCR is split into at least two faction, the NCR's populations and territories exist but it's not unified. The NCR's antagonist was literally going to reunify the NCR with her cold fusion reactor and fix the leadership issue but the Brotherhood killed her.

Which means either the NCR "President" that captured the Ghoul becomes leader.
Or the NCR unifies under the threat of the Brotherhood
Orr the Brotherhood vassalizes them.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Avellone was fucking Obsidian.

As shown by both Fallout 4 and Fallout 76: Bethesda absolutely believes people can recover from the apocalypse.

Yes, and that's why in NV the NCR is collapsing, the legion is doomed to collapse soon, the BoS has collapsed and you launch nukes to speed everything up. Chris is obsessed with collapse for some weird reason.
Meanwhile in both Fallout 4/76, shit doesn't even NEED to collapse because it already has, and rebuilding is not possible.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Yeah Brotherhood never was one for vassalization.

Filly looks like a nukeless more brutal version of Megaton.

 

[Ixian]

That discussion up there was way too long, so I didn't finish it, BUT the House thing does introduce another problem if New Vages is supposed to still be canon.

If House was in cahoots with Vault Tech, and the show is going with the angle that Vault Tech kicked off the nuclear apocalypse, that makes it incredibly unlikely that House wouldn't have been able to get the Platinum Chip in time.

He suspected the nuclear exchange was near and so made his preparations, but the day the Chip was supposed to be delivered the bombs fell. He got caught by surprise because he thought he had more time.

But, if the conceits of the show are supposed to be true, how would that have happened?

 

[Scooby Doo]

That discussion up there was way too long, so I didn't finish it, BUT the House thing does introduce another problem if New Vages is supposed to still be canon.

If House was in cahoots with Vault Tech, and the show is going with the angle that Vault Tech kicked off the nuclear apocalypse, that makes it incredibly unlikely that House wouldn't have been able to get the Platinum Chip in time.

He suspected the nuclear exchange was near and so made his preparations, but the day the Chip was supposed to be delivered the bombs fell. He got caught by surprise because he thought he had more time.

But, if the conceits of the show are supposed to be true, how would that have happened?

The guy that was supposed to deliver it got stuck in traffic?
The airplane that was supposed to transport it malfunctioned?

A whole bunch of stuff tbh, Murphy's Law.

 

[Ixian]

The guy that was supposed to deliver it got stuck in traffic?
The airplane that was supposed to transport it malfunctioned?

A whole bunch of stuff tbh, Murphy's Law.

I don't dispute that accidents happen, but that presumes House is dumb enough to schedule the delivery for the same day he knows the bombs will be coming.

If he was in bed with Vault Tech why wouldn't he have it delivered earlier?

 

[TheRejectionist]

Episode 3 at 39:19 I am pretty sure it is a criticism of pacifism because they reason like hippy bastardi and they sound like modern day social liberal progressives.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I don't dispute that accidents happen, but that presumes House is dumb enough to schedule the delivery for the same day he knows the bombs will be coming.

If he was in bed with Vault Tech why wouldn't he have it delivered earlier?

We don't get an exact date of when the platinum chip got created, for all we know it got finished the day before the bombs dropped. Personally that's what I always assumed. NVM so apparently the chip was created the day before the bombs dropped, so there probably was a delay since that only gave him 24 hours to get it.

Edit: I don't think the episode indicated that they'd know the exact time the bombs would drop just that they'd plan to make sure that they do.

 

[Warmaster]

We don't get an exact date of when the platinum chip got created, for all we know it got finished the day before the bombs dropped. Personally that's what I always assumed.

Edit: I don't think the episode indicated that they'd know the exact time the bombs would drop just that they'd plan to make sure that they do.

Umm. We were told right when we met House in FNV.

Robert House: "Such a small thing, isn't it? And yet so... capacious. So very dear. Decades of hiring salvagers out west to search for this little relic in the ruins of a place called Sunnyvale. Back then, anyway. That's where the Chip was printed, on October 22, 2077. It was to have been hand-delivered to me here, at the Lucky 38, the next day. But the bombs fell first. Suffice it to say, the delivery was never made."

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yeah it makes little sense why he failed to get the chip, when he knew when the bombs were going to pop off.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Umm. We were told right when we met House in FNV.

Robert House: "Such a small thing, isn't it? And yet so... capacious. So very dear. Decades of hiring salvagers out west to search for this little relic in the ruins of a place called Sunnyvale. Back then, anyway. That's where the Chip was printed, on October 22, 2077. It was to have been hand-delivered to me here, at the Lucky 38, the next day. But the bombs fell first. Suffice it to say, the delivery was never made."

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[Scooby Doo]

Yeah it makes little sense why he failed to get the chip, when he knew when the bombs were going to pop off.

He didn't know the exact time frame they would pop off

 

[TheRejectionist]

Yeah it makes little sense why he failed to get the chip, when he knew when the bombs were going to pop off.

Being a calculative narcissistic self centered billionaire I don't think he had even thought that something could go wrong with the plan of his.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Was kinda annoyed by how power armor made you hyper strong, but also apparently not strong enough to beat-down wasteland critters that 10strength player characters can punch to death.
Like in FO1-2 it boosted strength by 3-4, up to 10, so if you were a pansy it only managed to make you normal strength. But normal people got buffed up to about the strength cap.
FO3-NV nerfed power armor so it really only gives like 1 strength or so. With 4 buffing Power armor to a flat level of 10 no matter where you were prior.
But in absolutely none of these games is 'far beyond human strength' implied, given that FO humans canonically can be born with 10STR

 

[Warmaster]

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Website isn't live. Didn't see it.

NVM so apparently the chip was created the day before the bombs dropped, so there probably was a delay since that only gave him 24 hours to get it.

I wouldn't say there was a delay. A high value product needs to go through a lot of checks. Still kinda weird that such a smart guy gets it really wrong considering it was his primary focus for years and according to the show he has inside info now.

Yeah it makes little sense why he failed to get the chip, when he knew when the bombs were going to pop off.

Yeah and when Vault-Tec didn't finish all the Vaults...

Was kinda annoyed by how power armor made you hyper strong, but also apparently not strong enough to beat-down wasteland critters that 10strength player characters can punch to death.
Like in FO1-2 it boosted strength by 3-4, up to 10, so if you were a pansy it only managed to make you normal strength. But normal people got buffed up to about the strength cap.
FO3-NV nerfed power armor so it really only gives like 1 strength or so. With 4 buffing Power armor to a flat level of 10 no matter where you were prior.
But in absolutely none of these games is 'far beyond human strength' implied, given that FO humans canonically can be born with 10STR

When the plot demands you get wrecked you get wrecked. When the plot wants you absolutely strong you also get strong.