Alternative History clithe you see over and over 🙉

Red_Tornado

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John Connolly dies if jfk lives
Famous English retainer becomes president and in real life never wanted to run. Ex. Elvis,John Wayne
Bill Clinton professional Saxophone player.
 

Agent23

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Successful operation Marine Mammal. ;)

The Confederacy wins the civil war/the Union is forced into a peace treaty, leading to a mor balkanized North America.

Hitler getting killed with varying effects.
 

DarthOne

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The confederacy becoming buddy buddy/a proxy/client state with France and Britain while the North becomes chummy with the 2nd Reich which is somehow not butterflied away.

I think we can thank Turtledove for that one, too.

Why would Imperial Germany get butterflied away in this instance?
 

Zyobot

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Can't argue with most of these, though I'm surprised "Central Powers Win World War I!" hasn't been suggested yet.

Even seen it argued that it’s be a much superior ATL, too, so there's that. Probably depends on how the Central Powers treat the losers, though; if OTL Versailles has demonstrated anything, it's that slapping blame on the losers for everything that went wrong can bring out the worst in them when Round II comes.
 

Agent23

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Can't argue with most of these, though I'm surprised "Central Powers Win World War I!" hasn't been suggested yet.

Even seen it argued that it’s be a much superior ATL, too, so there's that. Probably depends on how the Central Powers treat the losers, though; if OTL Versailles has demonstrated anything, it's that slapping blame on the losers for everything that went wrong can bring out the worst in them when Round II comes.
Yep, I forgot the Keiserreich...

It is not that popular af most of the others, but there were a few TLs.

Another popular one is the one where the future USA loses its war of independence or somehow never engsges in rebellion.

I think Steve White wrote one science fiction novel on that premise, and Turtledove had at least one book.

There was also this other one that had something to do with Scorpions in a bottle.


Hamilton not getting offered/the Federalists managing to take power in the USA and turning it into something far more centralized is another popular one.

And there are at least 2 novels and one time travel movie dealing with JFK not getting offed.
 

ATP

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Why would Imperial Germany get butterflied away in this instance?
France in OTL declared war on prussia becouse Bismarck provoked them and lost.Here,they would be focused on America,so they do not that.
And,there would be no united germany as a result.
 

Agent23

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Why would Imperial Germany get butterflied away in this instance?
It will be a pretty big change that might butterfly a lot of stuff away, for instance a lot of the Union supporters were from the various germanic countries
And France and Britain fucking over and balkanizing the Americas might push Austria-Hungary and Russia closer together because they will see those two as potentially too powerful.
 

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