Alternate History Ideas and Discussion

[WolfBear]

Right, but my point is that even a more liberal Tsarist Russia that doesn’t delimit is still an improvement over a Soviet Union that does, even though a bit of both remains the optimal outcome.

‘Oldest Age Reagan Could’ve (Realistically) Been Elected At?’.

Without both the 22nd Amendment and his Alzheimer's? I could see him winning in 1988 or, if he decides to retire in 1988, making a political comeback in 2000 at the whopping old age of 89. Malaysia did recently have a 90+ year-old Prime Minister, after all:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad

'AHC: Make the idea of a Greater Romania successfully happen without any World Wars'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Romania

The PoD for this, of course, is June 1, 1914 or later.

 

[WolfBear]

Is there any chance of Austria-Hungary still imploding and breaking up, albeit at a somewhat later date but also with final national borders similar to those after the end of World War I in real life, had World War I never actually occurred?

 

[Buba]

No.

 

[WolfBear]

No.

Why not?

 

[Zyobot]

A “weird” scenario for sure, but… ‘AH Fans of the Sietch Receive The Watcher’s Powers’.

Which is to say, we become immortal, nigh-omniscient entities who sit back and monitor the goings-on of the AH Multiverse, allowing us to observe and compare every possible TL. (Yes, even ASB scenarios.)

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

A “weird” scenario for sure, but… ‘AH Fans of the Sietch Receive The Watcher’s Powers’.

Which is to say, we become immortal, nigh-omniscient entities who sit back and monitor the goings-on of the AH Multiverse, allowing us to observe and compare every possible TL. (Yes, even ASB scenarios.)

Are we bound by the oaths of non-intervention?

 

[Zyobot]

Are we bound by the oaths of non-intervention?

Yeah, ’fraid so.

However, you can choose to pay mind to TLs where things are more to your taste, while largely ignoring those that aren’t. That’s what I’d probably do, at least, since a “Nazis defeat the USSR” or a “Cold War Goes Hot” scenario—while something I might follow from a distance—would be too gruesome and depressing for me to observe, up close and personal. (The screams of the victims would be too much for me, I think, as I'd rather not become emotionally invested in innocent people doomed to the most horrific fates. )

 

[Atarlost]

Yeah, ’fraid so.

The addition of omniabstinant deities has no effect on anything so I'm not sure what this scenario is supposed to do.

 

[Zyobot]

The addition of omniabstinant deities has no effect on anything so I'm not sure what this scenario is supposed to do.

In that case, I don't suppose you have any alternatives? Maybe there's a "middle ground" I'm missing, but if we're empowered to intervene whenever we want, then all manner of TLs are thrown off course as we reshape them to our liking, rather than watching them proceed along their natural course.

 

[stevep]

Is there any chance of Austria-Hungary still imploding and breaking up, albeit at a somewhat later date but also with final national borders similar to those after the end of World War I in real life, had World War I never actually occurred?

Its still a distinct possibility because of the nature of the state with German and Hungarian minorities ruling a largely Slavic population, coupled with other issues such as the very limited franchise in Hungary. You need to resolve both that issue and whether in the 20thC a predominantly German monarch can rule an overwhelmingly non-German population even if its increasingly a constitutionally limited monarch.

I'm not saying that survival of the state or even the empire is impossible but it would need some careful management over several generations and also a fair amount of luck. Still likely to lose some of the fringe areas such as Bosnia-HZ and probably much of the Italian speaking lands as well as the Polish ones if an independent Poland forms at some stage.

Sorry about the late response but yesterday was rather hectic so didn't visit the site.

 

[stevep]

In that case, I don't suppose you have any alternatives? Maybe there's a "middle ground" I'm missing, but if we're empowered to intervene whenever we want, then all manner of TLs are thrown off course as we reshape them to our liking, rather than watching them proceed along their natural course.

Not only that but it would become very chaotic as with different interests and values you would have those watchers continually jerking TLs in directions they want and other then intervening to fit their own desires/aims.

 

[Zyobot]

‘Lee Harvey Oswald Kills LBJ Instead’.

 

[Buba]

‘Lee Harvey Oswald Kills LBJ Instead’.

"Drats! I need new glasses!"

 

[Zyobot]

"Drats! I need new glasses!"

Kennedy will probably duck and be whisked away by the Secret Service as Oswald’s focused on sniping Johnson, too, so there’s that.

Anyway, I assume an unscathed JFK benefits from a sympathy vote in ’64, though I’m guessing it’ll be more “civil” than what we got IOTL, given that LBJ’s not there to air Daisy ads.

 

[Buba]

‘press and TV do not cover up that JFK catches STD between Lee Harvey Oswald killing LBJ and the '64 election. Nixon runs under "would somebody please think of the children" banner’.

 

[WolfBear]

‘Lee Harvey Oswald Kills LBJ Instead’.

What's the incentive when LBJ is only a powerless VP?

and whether in the 20thC a predominantly German monarch can rule an overwhelmingly non-German population even if its increasingly a constitutionally limited monarch.

Early 20th century Romania?

 

[Buba]

early 20th century Romania?

Greece?
Bulgaria?
Albania?
Russia?

CP victory/1918 white peace - the Baltics plus Finland?
If the Żywiec Habsburgs get the throne - then Poland and Ukraine too.

 

[WolfBear]

Greece?
Bulgaria?
Albania?
Russia?

If the Żywiec Habsburgs got the throne -then Poland.
CP victory/1918 white peace - the Baltics plus Finland?

Yep, German monarchs were quite a notable export back in those days! There's even the possibility that a German monarch could have been put in charge of an independent Greater Armenia in the absence of World War I, as I previously speculated here:

https://www.the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/possible-compromise-candidates-for-the-throne-of-an-independent-ottoman-armenia-in-the-absence-of-world-war-i.6879/#post-229612

 

[WolfBear]

‘press and TV do not cover up that JFK catches STD between Lee Harvey Oswald killing LBJ and the '64 election. Nixon runs under "would somebody please think of the children" banner’.

If JFK will have sex with an underage girl, then the media would be less inclined to cover it up!

Maybe someone like her:

Jailbait indeed!

 

[Ricardolindo]

Greece?
Bulgaria?
Albania?
Russia?

CP victory/1918 white peace - the Baltics plus Finland?
If the Żywiec Habsburgs get the throne - then Poland and Ukraine too.

Yep, German monarchs were quite a notable export back in those days! There's even the possibility that a German monarch could have been put in charge of an independent Greater Armenia in the absence of World War I, as I previously speculated here:

https://www.the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/possible-compromise-candidates-for-the-throne-of-an-independent-ottoman-armenia-in-the-absence-of-world-war-i.6879/#post-229612

Note Wilhelm of Wied's brief reign in Albania was an absolute disaster, though.