Alternate History Ideas and Discussion

[PsihoKekec]

support for the Serbian State Guard and Serbian Volunteer Corps

They were fully reliant on goodwill of the Germans for their existence, with fewer Partisans and illegal Chetniks, the Germans have fewer reasons to tolerate their existence.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

They were fully reliant on goodwill of the Germans for their existence, with fewer Partisans an illegal Chetniks, the Germans have fewer reasons to tolerate their existence.

That is really bad.

I wonder how would a Stalinist-aligned communist regime in this rump Yugoslavia that consists only of Serbia and Montenegro, plus possibly bits of Bosnia and Macedonia (resembling something like this):

I know it's not really a good reference, but I would suspect that a rump communist Yugoslavia that is a Stalinist entity would be more centralized.

 

[PsihoKekec]

There probably wouldn't be any support for Macedonian nationalism, also no support for communists in Greece and when Hoxa breaks up with Soviet Union, they have a springboard for a bloodier version of Hungarian revolution.

 

[Zyobot]

'AHC: More Chinese War Dead in Second Sino-Japanese War'.

For context, I recall OTL China suffered somewhere shy of 20 million dead (at least, according to the "official" stats).

However, that's still a few million less than the Soviet Union (26 million dead), which actually kinda' surprises me. With a country as overpopulated as China and a ferocious invader like Japan, you'd expect them to have more war dead than everyone else (rather than "merely" coming in a close second).

 

[Doomsought]

However, that's still a few million less than the Soviet Union (26 million dead), which actually kinda' surprises me. With a country as overpopulated as China and a ferocious invader like Japan, you'd expect them to have more war dead than everyone else (rather than "merely" coming in a close second).

Japan had a lot of issues where they tried to use tank doctrine built for the Manchurian stepps in chinese mountains, and it did not work well.

 

[49ersfootball]

@The Immortal Watch Dog @Sergeant Foley @Red_Tornado @bintananth @Buba @Val the Moofia Boss

Here's an Alternate History discussion: What IF the 1955 Coup against Argentinian President Juan Peron fails badly ? Peron stays in power indefinitely & cements his grip on Quinta de Olivos (Residence of the Argentinian President) until his death on July 1st, 1974.

What are the ramifications of the failed 1955 Coup attempt ?

 

[TheRejectionist]

Joe Biden wins his election campaign in the 1980s and his fraudulent claims gets discovered much later.

 

[49ersfootball]

Joe Biden wins his election campaign in the 1980s and his fraudulent claims gets discovered much later.

You're referring to the 1988 Presidential election correct ?

 

[TheRejectionist]

You're referring to the 1988 Presidential election correct ?

Yes!

 

[ATP]

Japan had a lot of issues where they tried to use tank doctrine built for the Manchurian stepps in chinese mountains, and it did not work well.

And their tanks were shitty anyway.Fact that they counted light tank as medium do not helped them,once they meet REAL medium tanks.

Strange,they have many chances to built better ones.

Well,they would lost anyway.Bacl to more important things - HAPPY EASTER!

 

[Marduk]

And their tanks were shitty anyway.Fact that they counted light tank as medium do not helped them,once they meet REAL medium tanks.

Strange,they have many chances to built better ones.

Well,they would lost anyway.Bacl to more important things - HAPPY EASTER!

Japan had absolutely insane internal military politics, and one of things that added up badly to that was a steel shortage. And two things that would take a lot of steel are warships and tanks - so they skimped on armor for both to save steel.

 

[TheRejectionist]

@The Immortal Watch Dog @Sergeant Foley @Red_Tornado @bintananth @Buba @Val the Moofia Boss

Here's an Alternate History discussion: What IF the 1955 Coup against Argentinian President Juan Peron fails badly ? Peron stays in power indefinitely & cements his grip on Quinta de Olivos (Residence of the Argentinian President) until his death on July 1st, 1974.

What are the ramifications of the failed 1955 Coup attempt ?

@49ersfootball The economy might even be worse considering his lavish lifestyle and how he thought (oversimplified of course) the state could do anything but with less economic expertise than Mussolini had in Fascist Italy between 1921/1922-1943. Could give more political stability though, except not the economic one.

 

[ATP]

Japan had absolutely insane internal military politics, and one of things that added up badly to that was a steel shortage. And two things that would take a lot of steel are warships and tanks - so they skimped on armor for both to save steel.

That explain,why they produce small number of tanks.But why they must be shitty? they could mass produce Type 3 tank in 1941,if they decide to develop it earlier,and Type 4 about 1944.
It would not save them,but made fight for american,british and soviet harder.

 

[Marduk]

That explain,why they produce small number of tanks.But why they must be shitty? they could mass produce Type 3 tank in 1941,if they decide to develop it earlier,and Type 4 about 1944.
It would not save them,but made fight for american,british and soviet harder.

It was either make shitty light tanks, or have half as many not so shitty tanks that are harder to make and transport. And with how few tanks they made to begin with, making half as many would be terrible for them.

 

[ATP]

It was either make shitty light tanks, or have half as many not so shitty tanks that are harder to make and transport. And with how few tanks they made to begin with, making half as many would be terrible for them.

Not entirely.If they work on Type 3 from the beginning do not wasting time on improved Type 97 tank with 47mm gun,they could made the same numbers of tanks ,but capable of fighting Shermans and T.34.
And there was possibility for Type 3 with Type 4 turret,too.


They would still lost - but,at least not wasting resources on medium tanks which could fight only light tanks.
P.S Merry Easter !

 

[Marduk]

Not entirely.If they work on Type 3 from the beginning do not wasting time on improved Type 97 tank with 47mm gun,they could made the same numbers of tanks ,but capable of fighting Shermans and T.34.
And there was possibility for Type 3 with Type 4 turret,too.


They would still lost - but,at least not wasting resources on medium tanks which could fight only light tanks.
P.S Merry Easter !

They only developed them when they saw Shermans own their older tanks. It's like saying why didn't Americans make Shermans before joining the war.

 

[ATP]

They only developed them when they saw Shermans own their older tanks. It's like saying why didn't Americans make Shermans before joining the war.

Soviets,germans and french arleady all worked on tanks with 75mm guns.Japan could do the same.
And,it was logical reason for do not wasting time on 47mm AT gun at all - japaneese knew,that soviets are working on medium and heavy tanks,and prepared to fight them in the future.
That is why they should made AT guns 75mm from the start,both for infrantry and tanks.

But,many other nations,including Poland,made the same mistake.

 

[Marduk]

Soviets,germans and french arleady all worked on tanks with 75mm guns.Japan could do the same.
And,it was logical reason for do not wasting time on 47mm AT gun at all - japaneese knew,that soviets are working on medium and heavy tanks,and prepared to fight them in the future.
That is why they should made AT guns 75mm from the start,both for infrantry and tanks.

But,many other nations,including Poland,made the same mistake.

Could, but what for, at the cost of extra steel? They had no resources to spare for what could be in the future, they were skimping on more important things already, like their capital ships numbers and armor. They were fighting China that had no real industry, USSR that Hitler was totally sure to break in the west, and USA that was supposed to be defeated on the sea which would mean no ability to bring any tanks at all to the islands.

Also Japan did have a lot of 75mm field and infantry guns, it's just that in the jungles of SEA islands and infrastructure there, long and heavy European style anti tank guns would be a massive pain to move, everyone already had mobility problems in better terrain with those due to how hard they are to move with manpower. They should have invested in HEAT shells for what they had.

 

[ATP]

Could, but what for, at the cost of extra steel? They had no resources to spare for what could be in the future, they were skimping on more important things already, like their capital ships numbers and armor. They were fighting China that had no real industry, USSR that Hitler was totally sure to break in the west, and USA that was supposed to be defeated on the sea which would mean no ability to bring any tanks at all to the islands.

Also Japan did have a lot of 75mm field and infantry guns, it's just that in the jungles of SEA islands and infrastructure there, long and heavy European style anti tank guns would be a massive pain to move, everyone already had mobility problems in better terrain with those due to how hard they are to move with manpower. They should have invested in HEAT shells for what they had.

What extra steel? Type 3 weight,compared to Type 97 with 47mm,was 2-3t bigger.They would simply made 900 Type 3 instead of 1100 new Type 97 they made,and it would be the same.

HEAT schells for 47mm would not help much against Shermans.

 

[Marduk]

What extra steel? Type 3 weight,compared to Type 97 with 47mm,was 2-3t bigger.They would simply made 900 Type 3 instead of 1100 new Type 97 they made,and it would be the same.

They could not make a better design that early.

HEAT schells for 47mm would not help much against Shermans.

They had a lot of short 75's for infantry, and HEAT shells for them work well, as Germans have proven.