What If? Alien Space Bats allow the British and French governments on January 1, 1939 to see the next 7 years if they'll decide to go to war on Poland's behalf

[Carrot of Truth]

Bad decision,soviet was stronger and take Europe eventually.Unless Hitler woud not only attack first,but also come as liberator and gave land to soviets in kolchozs.

The Soviet Union trying to occupy and set up puppets in the whole of Europe would cause it to collapse far faster than OTL. Also if it has to go up against a full strength Germany who's industry is not getting bombed into ashes the war will be far more brutal on them. So by the time they win they will be in no position to resist British demands of fucking off back to their own territory.

 

[sillygoose]

http://ibiblio.org/pha/Gallup/Gallup%201940.htm

And of course you could get a more isolationist Republican like Taft winning the 1940 GOP nomination instead of Willkie if there's no war in Europe by then, which would mean a more difficult time for Britain and France in getting US aid, most likely.

No way. Taft never had that level of support; he was the Ron Paul of his day with a passionate niche following, but no broad support. It would be Dewey or Willkie. Willkie probably wouldn't have run without the war or FDR in the race, but you never know.

Willkie was a globalist though, so if he got in there might well have been a similar policy toward Europe as FDR had.

 

[WolfBear]

No way. Taft never had that level of support; he was the Ron Paul of his day with a passionate niche following, but no broad support. It would be Dewey or Willkie. Willkie probably wouldn't have run without the war or FDR in the race, but you never know.

Willkie was a globalist though, so if he got in there might well have been a similar policy toward Europe as FDR had.

Taft almost beat Ike in the contest for the 1952 GOP nomination, so I disagree that he had Ron Paul-levels of support:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Republican_National_Convention#The_balloting

Taft might have also been helped by being the son of a former US President.

Was Dewey an isolationist back in 1940?

 

[sillygoose]

Taft almost beat Ike in the contest for the 1952 GOP nomination, so I disagree that he had Ron Paul-levels of support:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Republican_National_Convention#The_balloting

Taft might have also been helped by being the son of a former US President.

Was Dewey an isolationist back in 1940?

1952 wasn't 1940.

Also Dewey ran as an isolationist, but then immediately turned to trying to help FDR get into the war. So he was probably a FDR or at least establishment proxy rather than a true isolationist.

 

[WolfBear]

1952 wasn't 1940.

Also Dewey ran as an isolationist, but then immediately turned to trying to help FDR get into the war. So he was probably a FDR or at least establishment proxy rather than a true isolationist.

The situation for isolationists was even less favorable in 1952 than in 1940, and yet Taft almost won. Though I've also heard that Taft made his peace with NATO in his last years.

Interesting. A bit like Henry Stimson, then, eh?

 

[sillygoose]

The situation for isolationists was even less favorable in 1952 than in 1940, and yet Taft almost won. Though I've also heard that Taft made his peace with NATO in his last years.

Interesting. A bit like Henry Stimson, then, eh?

It was a first round vote. His support immediately collapse to half after the shift. He didn't almost win, he got close to challenging, but once it was clear he didn't have enough support he didn't have any staying power.
I think it was more ideological purity given the anti-labor climate at the time and lack of political history with Eisenhower.

I'd have to look up Stimson's history to comment.

 

[ATP]

Hitler expected a general war by 1942, not that he would be the one to start it. The Soviets were getting increasingly aggressive with their rhetoric and intelligence operations, while the Allies were getting more confrontational as was the US, so Hitler seems to have been of the mind that is when they'd face attack, hence the need to get Poland as an ally before that happened.

No,in the end of 1937 he told his closest advisors that he must start war between 1943 and 1945,becouse germans would arleady fully prepare their army,and their enemies would be still trying to do so.

 

[sillygoose]

No,in the end of 1937 he told his closest advisors that he must start war between 1943 and 1945,becouse germans would arleady fully prepare their army,and their enemies would be still trying to do so.

Care to quote from what you're referencing?

 

[ATP]

Care to quote from what you're referencing?

Good that you asked,i still have borrowed book.Polska,niespełniony sojusznik Hitlera/my translation - Poand - would be Hitler ally/ by Krzysztof Rak,Bellona 2019,page 364.

Their citation - ADAP,D,I,dok.nr19 p.25-32
Do not knew,what it mean.