What If? A Magog World Ship against the following galaxies

[Crom's Black Blade]

Just as it says on the tin the following galaxies suddenly find a most curious and bizarre sight of a megastructure of twenty hollowed out worlds bolted together around a small, artificial sun encroaching upon them from very depths of space filled with trillions of ravenous, bat-faced monsters who's only compulsion is to rend the flesh from their victims bones. How do the respective universes far?

1.) Star Trek just before the events of Picard. The World Ship will enter the galaxy from the Alpha Quadrant side.

2.) Star Wars just a few months before the events of ANH with the Magog first making contact through the "eastward" Outer Rim.

3.) Star Trek's mirror universe and Terran Empire set shortly after the events of "Mirror, Mirror". Like before the Magog will make landfall through the Alpha Quadrant side of the galaxy.

4.) The movie-verse Starship troopers with the World Ship arriving after the events of "Traitors of Mars".

5.) Robotech set shortly before the launch of the SDF-3 roughly mid-way between the first and second Robotech war.

 

[Agent23]

The Spirit of the Abyss is a nigh unkillable ascended being that has used its Worldship and armies of Magog to ravage whole galaxies and literally destroy every single solar system by degrading its star into a dwarf.

Q might be able to kick its ass, but everything else is toast.

 

[Scottty]

1.) Star Trek just before the events of Picard. The World Ship will enter the galaxy from the Alpha Quadrant side.

Does Starfleet have access to Red Matter?

 

[Sailor.X]

Does Starfleet have access to Red Matter?

The Vulcans know how to make it.

As to the Worldship.
The Doud, The Organian's, Trelane's Race and The Q take one look at it and say "Get your Buster Ass out of here!!!" The Star Trek Milky Way has too many god tier beings for them to be successful.

 

[Agent23]

Does Starfleet have access to Red Matter?

Um, the Magog worldship took like a huge number of Nova bombs to the heart and the star at the center did not blow up, it just had to repair itself.
And the Abyss probably won't die even if you damage it's ship.
The Commonwealth is technologically what the federation wants to be when it grows up.
Nothing in Trek can stop the Abyss.

 

[Scottty]

Um, the Magog worldship took like a huge number of Nova bombs to the heart and the star at the center did not blow up, it just had to repair itself.
And the Abyss probably won't die even if you damage it's ship.
The Commonwealth is technologically what the federation wants to be when it grows up.
Nothing in Trek can stop the Abyss.

As others have pointed out - the god-level beings in the Trekverse are the ones to keep each other in line. The Q have been shown to punish members of their own group who misbehave too much, for example.
Don't assume it to be beyond their power to pop the Magog worldship and it's spirit into a pocket-universe they create just for the purpose, or something like that.

 

[Agent23]

As others have pointed out - the god-level beings in the Trekverse are the ones to keep each other in line. The Q have been shown to punish members of their own group who misbehave too much, for example.
Don't assume it to be beyond their power to pop the Magog worldship and it's spirit into a pocket-universe they create just for the purpose, or something like that.

You mean like Trance Gemini?

First off, the Q didn't care enough to help the feds against the Dominion or the galaxy at large against the Borg.

I really don't understand why everyone thinks that for whatever reason those fickle asshats will give a damn if the Trek MW gets overrun.

 

[Scottty]

You mean like Trance Gemini?

First off, the Q didn't care enough to help the feds against the Dominion or the galaxy at large against the Borg.

Because if every Star Trek episode had them solve every problem simply by praying to Q about it, that would soon be quite a boring show.

I really don't understand why everyone thinks that for whatever reason those fickle asshats will give a damn if the Trek MW gets overrun.

The Organians cared enough to make fullscale war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire stop before it had even started.

But the point here isn't about them taking sides when the organic beings are fighting each other. It's about how they would react to some newcomer wanting to muscle in on their turf. The Q think humanity worth paying attention to. For all we know other members of the Q Continuum were rooting for the Dominion. But when a new player just shows up bringing his own private army, they are going to react to that.

 

[Agent23]

Because if every Star Trek episode had them solve every problem simply by praying to Q about it, that would soon be quite a boring show.

Sorry, while logical, your argument is meta, in universe rationale only, please.

The Organians cared enough to make fullscale war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire stop before it had even started.

But the point here isn't about them taking sides when the organic beings are fighting each other. It's about how they would react to some newcomer wanting to muscle in on their turf. The Q think humanity worth paying attention to. For all we know other members of the Q Continuum were rooting for the Dominion. But when a new player just shows up bringing his own private army, they are going to react to that.

And we haven't heard of them since...

I don't buy that the Q will care enough, for all we know, many of them might start rooting for the magog and the Abyss, since the abyss is closer to the Q evolutionarily than humanity, if for no other reason.

Also, it is pretty powerful on its own.

When the Andromeda launched a Nova bomb in an attempt to take out the Worldship, the Abyss absorbed the energy caused by the Worldship's sun going supernova.

The Abyss's enemies were the Avatars, who were pretty close to Q-level, since they could do wild stuff like time travel and other similarly huge shit.
So, yeah, I don't buy Q saving the Trek MW's ass.

 

[Scottty]

Sorry, while logical, your argument is meta, in universe rationale only, please.

Because if the Q were to step in and solve all of the younger races' problems for them anytime any of them asked for it, it would soon become a boring show from the Q point of view.
They'd never get to watch what the younger races could do for themselves.

But this is also a reason for them not to allow humanity to lose to anything OCP.

 

[Scottty]

To add to this - the Borg were OCP to the Federation at first - which is why Q intervened to make them aware of the problem, in the TNG episode Q Who?

 

[Agent23]

Because if the Q were to step in and solve all of the younger races' problems for them anytime any of them asked for it, it would soon become a boring show from the Q point of view.
They'd never get to watch what the younger races could do for themselves.

But this is also a reason for them not to allow humanity to lose to anything OCP.

The Q did not interfere in Kirk or Archer's time, though.

Sorry, but the Q whanck and 'It is all gonna be OK cause Q' doesn't really fly with me.

We saw how well Q did in parallel universes, such as the ones where the Borg overran everything.

 

[Scottty]

The Q did not interfere in Kirk or Archer's time, though.

Sorry, but the Q whanck and 'It is all gonna be OK cause Q' doesn't really fly with me.

We saw how well Q did in parallel universes, such as the ones where the Borg overran everything.

Some people consider Trelane to have been a juvenile Q.
And maybe those alternative timelines existed because the Q wanted to see all the possibilities.

But back to the point - you want the scenario to include the Magog's "god" - but not the Trekverse ones.

And it simply is not true that Trek's "god-tier" beings do not step in at times - just ask the Husnock. Oh wait, you can't, because their entire civilization got snapped out of existence when they attacked a Federation colony, because one of the colonists just happened to be a Dowd.

 

[Agent23]

Some people consider Trelane to have been a juvenile Q.
And maybe those alternative timelines existed because the Q wanted to see all the possibilities.

But back to the point - you want the scenario to include the Magog's "god" - but not the Trekverse ones.

And it simply is not true that Trek's "god-tier" beings do not step in at times - just ask the Husnock. Oh wait, you can't, because their entire civilization got snapped out of existence when they attacked a Federation colony, because one of the colonists just happened to be a Dowd.

The Magog "God" is what drives the Worldship, it is like the 2 are linked.

But if you strip out the god tier stuff then the Worldship and the rapidly reproducing Magog can easily overrun the Trek MW.

 

[Scottty]

The Magog "God" is what drives the Worldship, it is like the 2 are linked.

But if you strip out the god tier stuff then the Worldship and the rapidly reproducing Magog can easily overrun the Trek MW.

Can they? How fast does that worldship move? What offensive capabilities does it have?

 

[Scottty]

 

[Agent23]

Except that Magog are iirc resistant to Nanotech, since otherwise that would have been used to remove their larva.

 

[Agent23]

Can they? How fast does that worldship move? What offensive capabilities does it have?

It has huge swarms of Magog battleships and weapons thet literally shoot black holes aroundalso I think "conventional" Andromeda missiles which can go to IIRC speeds exceeding 90% lightspeed.
The andromedavdrse can do with gravitics stuff the Feds and the Borg can only dream of.

Speed-wise if is capable of intergalactic travel, so speeds comparable to Andromeda slip drives.I am pretty sure it uses one, but I might be wrong.

Missiles in

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

Does Starfleet have access to Red Matter?

Oh yes, Red Matter, slipstream even quantum torpedoes if they so desired. This is less about forcing a match up and just what happens so there are no tech limitations on any of the factions.

It has huge swarms of Magog battleships and weapons that literally shoot black holes around also I think "conventional" Andromeda missiles which can go to IIRC speeds exceeding 90% lightspeed.

Oh the Andromeda Ascendant is one hell of a tough cookie. From the episode "The Prince", season 2, it's stated Rommie has 40 missile launchers capable of firing 8 per second with, give or take, 20 megaton yield. There's little doubt it could shred the Enterprise-D in short order.

I will note the wiki lists the yield as 40 megatons through a specific source for that isn't listed so I'm not sure what episode that was said in.

All that said, Rommie was the 600 pound gorilla of the setting being presented as far superior to an individual Swarm Ship in terms of ability or durability with the latter relying, as their names suggests, more on sheer numbers than anything else.

Their ships do shoot "pint sized blackholes", as you note, but that might actually be a handicap against the Federation. In "All Too Human", season 2, Becka Valentine points out what makes them so deadly is that you can't "shoot them, can't deflect them, and the bigger you are, the harder they hit". Thanks to Starfleet's use of protective forcefields around their ship's hulls any Point Singularity Weapon will be stopped far short of coming into contact with the ship's mass and its an open question how the shield itself will react. Does it have mass in the same way that a ship or a planet does?

Further we know Starfleet shields, and presumably other Alpha/Beta powers, shields manipulate gravity to some extent so it isn't out of the realm of possibility for Starfleet engineers to technobabble a way for their shields to neutralize the Magog technobabble based weapon

Speed-wise if is capable of intergalactic travel, so speeds comparable to Andromeda slip drives.I am pretty sure it uses one, but I might be wrong.

The World Ship itself was suggested to be slow since Rommie first encountered it before the fall of the Commonwealth 300 years prior and it was still in route from the dead galaxy.

 

[S'task]

Further we know Starfleet shields, and presumably other Alpha/Beta powers, shields manipulate gravity to some extent so it isn't out of the realm of possibility for Starfleet engineers to technobabble a way for their shields to neutralize the Magog technobabble based weapon

Not only do shields manipulate gravity, they are explicitly made OF gravity. A further defense against gravity weapons in Trek is the way in which Trek FTL works: subspace bubbles explicitly reduce the ship in question's mass and thus make gravity less of a force on the ship. Further, artificial singularities are not an OCP for any of the Trek faction's, seeing how one of the major factions, the Romulans, use them as their primary power source rather than M/AM reactors.

So yeah, shooting micro-black holes at things in Trek isn't nearly as good as it sounds.