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  1. posh-goofiness

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    Huh, this might be a hole in my knowledge- like I said way that the start of this, I haven't done the RCIA or anything like that just finished the Baltimore Catechism. So after some quick searching public revelation is indeed closed, private revelations still happen. Since Tradition is is also...
  2. posh-goofiness

    Catholic bullshit and defenses for it

    Just to clarify something here. When I say "personal revelation" I mean revelations granted to a person via the Holy Spirit- divinely inspired revelation not personal interpretation of existing Scripture or commentary. So yes, I do deny such new revelation isn't happening. Unrevealed truths are...
  3. posh-goofiness

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    Of course. We'll get literally nowhere if we do argue in bad faith. I don't think you have mischaracterized anything I've said so far. So, this seems to me like I could, for example, recite the Hail Mary every hour in my head and you'd say that's safe and not worship and also not prayer...
  4. posh-goofiness

    Catholic bullshit and defenses for it

    Eh, that's fair. Might be my own selection bias.
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    Catholic bullshit and defenses for it

    Ah, I didn't mean to mischaracterize, that's how I understood your replies. In that case, returning to the start of this line of thought I have a few questions then: In Revelation John was worshiping the angel, was he praying to it, praising it, or offering thanksgiving? Was it his feeling...
  6. posh-goofiness

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    Well, when I asked if prayer and worship are synonymous, that is to say, the same thing you said that yes they are. Furthermore, you've said that the physical actions you take are whole and entire what prayer is. It follows then that it doesn't matter what someone's doing/feeling/saying in their...
  7. posh-goofiness

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    Ah, then I think we've reached the end of anything we can really convince each other of here. It's just a completely irreconcilable point of view. It would allow someone who is outwardly praising the Lord with their words to be cursing his name simultaneously in their mind. That loophole gets...
  8. posh-goofiness

    Catholic bullshit and defenses for it

    I mean, there is the idea that your shouldn't accept the terms of your rival in a debate. The doctrine of Sola Scriptura isn't something Orthodox or Catholics follow so we should argue from that point of view.
  9. posh-goofiness

    Catholic bullshit and defenses for it

    I see. If I'm understanding your explanation worship is vocally spoken, somewhat lyrical (or fully sung), praise or asking for something. It should always be directed solely to the Lord. Presumably, this isn't the only means of worship, since you are welcome to say prayers quietly in your mind...
  10. posh-goofiness

    Catholic bullshit and defenses for it

    Sure, but the point of contention between us is what "that" is. You say it's the act of falling to his knees and worshiping the angel. I say it's the offering of homage and love due to God given to the angel. I may have missed it, but now that I've answered you what I mean when I say "worship"...
  11. posh-goofiness

    Catholic bullshit and defenses for it

    I'll begin my response here. This may be a quirk of translation but that's not what I get from that passage (I use the Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition). The text from that version reads: Adoration is a very specific action and intrinsic to the Catholic sense of worship. We absolutely should...
  12. posh-goofiness

    Catholic bullshit and defenses for it

    Sorry for the long pause between responses, I'm not a particularly prolific poster so I usually lurk instead of post. So, for Catholics worship is, in general, paying homage to God. This can be exterior (rituals, audible and public prayer, acts of mercy) or interior (meditation, silent prayers...
  13. posh-goofiness

    Catholic bullshit and defenses for it

    Elaborate on this, please. What is the "reverence that the Bible teaches is reserved only for God"? In what regard? With what actions? We are not to worship idols. Worship is not veneration, neither is it reverence.
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