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Thanks for the write up. With regard to your last paragraph: I don't suppose you have some ideas as to the general trajectory that your "multiple centuries BCE" PoDs might take on? You've certainly proposed some interesting ones, but I'm wondering if you've thought more about their possible...

Anyhow, maybe a 'Song Dynasty Industrializes' TL would qualify? Even if Europe still retains the cultural and philosophical bedrock it first developed in Classical times, as @Skallagrim opines, it'd still be buried under many, many counterfactual layers that didn't materialize IOTL.

Look, let’s not argue over this, okay? I’d like to return to the discussion at hand without nitpicking over semantics. Thanks.

Which I agreed with in the second half of my post. To clarify my OP, what I’m mainly concerned about is how recognizable (or unrecognizable) the ATL universes would be to OTL observers living in ~2022. Not so much OTL observers a hundred, a thousand, or a hundred-thousand years from now...

By unrecognizable, I mean a totally alien set of languages, cultures, national identities, and ways of life developing that OTL observers wouldn't understand at all. At least in your example, Britain and France would still be somewhat identifiable as such, if clearly not the same as their OTL...

Which reminds me, any more specific ideas on how shipbuilding and naval warfare might develop in your scenario, @Bear Ribs?

Thanks. Further, I'm also curious as to how this would impact the advent of air travel, since flying ten thousand feet above sea level or whatever is a surefire way to avoid the sea monsters. ... Well, barring plane crashes straight into the Bermuda Triangle, anyway. I think that belongs more...

Assuming they still materialize, that is. Which is a dubious proposition, given how far back the evolution of marine megafauna goes and its various effects on ecosystems and environmental conditions worldwide.

Wonder who the preeminent naval power(s) will be ITTL, then? For instance, I'd ask if Great Britain could still do it, but the resulting divergences run the risk of butterflying peoples and cultures we recognize from emerging, at least in a form OTL observers would recognize.

By normal standards, the premises we like to discuss in AH circles can seem bemusing and strange. The American Revolution failing, the Central Powers winning World War I, even an inverted Cold War scenario (or two) where America and Russia play “swapped” roles. Certainly, such worlds would be...