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  1. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Snowden less of a traitor than Biden himself, with his connections to the CCP, the whole '10% for the big guy's thing, and with the stolen election bit. Snowden just made the US public aware of shady shit DC had secretly authorized, and didn't let himself get fucked over liked the...
  2. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Most of the time it's Zach trying to start the fight again and again any time Snowden's name is uttered or anytime embarrassing things are posted about the US military or IC. He cannot leave the subject alone, with me or others, and tends to go off the handle on the subject no matter who brings...
  3. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Here's the thing, most people do not believe he took things out of context, that is a line of cope/BS very few people buy anymore. Particularly given what happened to the whistleblowers before him. A multipolar world was going to happen with or without what Snowden did. It's fucking inevitable...
  4. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    The job of the US military is to protect our Constitution and US citizeney, not playing great power games abroad. Also, based on those docs, Snowden didn't take things out of 'context', he just put the context of protecting the Constitution above the context of the the IC/MIC wanting to bypass...
  5. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Constitutional violations disguised as/use as part of a dragnet style sweep of American electronic comms are no laughing matter, you completely dodged the issue of what happened to whistleblowers before him, use an appeal to authority that is tired, and you are right, I care more about...
  6. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Actually, I'll just post both parts of the Frontline: United States of Secrets here, so everyone can see them without even needing to search Youtube. Part 1 Part 2
  7. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    I would recommend you watch United States of Secrets by PBS Frontline. They showed what happened to the whistleblowers before Snowden, who tried to blow the whistle on Patriot Act abuses, and showed how what happened to them caused Snowden to take the steps he did to protect himself when he...
  8. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Glenn Greenwald retweeted this. It's interesting to watch Trump's body language change in this video; he goes from relatively relaxed and at easy, to looking kinda defensive, when taking about why he didn't pardon Snowden or Assange and makes it seem like he was talked or pressured out of one...
  9. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Yep; they do not want to give up the power they have, and an open world that didn't need spies would mean thier agencies and such would no longer be needed. Power corrupts, and the power of 'Classified' stamps and all that goes with it is about as close to absolute power as you can get in the...
  10. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Maybe it's time to change that, because if that's the case, then nothing says secret long or forever unless you start killing people regularly KGB style. A lot of the money used in the intel community, including the nice black project funds under their control (or the DoE's but that's close...
  11. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    This is what the military and intel community don't get, or do not want to get; they treat most of our 'allies' as semi-trustworthy vassals, not legit partners (unless they have nukes), and wonder why a lot of the world's image of, and trust in, the US gov and military has been consistently...
  12. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Manning did expose some agents, and that wasn't great. But the danger posed by a rogue intel community is a greater risk to the US Constitution and public than any foreign power, at least below the level of stuff like the Wu Flu getting loose.
  13. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    The treatment of Gitmo detainees had many instances of treatment like Manning got, and we only know because the lawyers would not quit trying to expose the abuse at Gitmo, so I see little reason to doubt that Manning was abused as the article said he was. He was Army intel at one point, but does...
  14. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Oh, so now you aren't denying he was abused in violation of his rights, and instead insisting he deserved it? I may not like Manning for the Rad-Left crap, but that does not change the fact he was abused by his jailors in violation of his rights.
  15. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    Yes, yes he did, and the news about it came out 10 years ago. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/11/stripped-naked-bradley-manning-prison
  16. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    And you do not know they would not try that shit, but Snowden reasonably could assume that was what would happen if he tried the 'proper channels'. Perhaps take a step back from seeing this as a treason from the military perspective, and understand Snowden from the civies perspective, in...
  17. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    He would have been Epstein'd or just disappeared if he'd tried to do things the 'proper' way. At best he would have been given the Bradley Manning treatment and been abused and sleep deprived under guise of suicide watch, with the military doing everything possible to bury what he exposed...
  18. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    My god, do you actually believe that?! That's genuinely hilarious. Snowden would have disappeared or been Epstein'd before any court case could really get underway if he stayed in the US, the media would have kept mum about it because thier bosses would have told them too, and nothing would...
  19. Bacle

    United States Discussion of Snowden, Assange and government secret keeping in general

    The US justice system would have put Snowden in the grave or Gitmo, not in a public trial with an open court, and you damn well know it.
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