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I've said before my line is at graves, and I still think the group doing this work for the military is justified, though maybe misinformed, or needlessly callus if they *will* go after graves. The Confederacy will never be erased from history books, no one should fear anyone forgetting what...

No, just someone who can admit when new info changes a situation.

I meant I did not think this particularly edifice also had actual remains in it's foundation or structure. I thought it was near graves in the cemetery, like other statues, not a grave/tomb itself.

Heavy lift helo's are a thing, as are extendable cranes with weight spreaders. But if there are graves at the four corners of the monument, that makes it an actual burial, and would run afoul of the rules put in the Renaming Committee against disturbing graves and remains. If someone tried to...

Hmm, ok, the claim is taking this out will disturb grave sites...my impression was this was a general memorial, not an actual grave site. The judge sounds like he wants to know very exactly what is being claimed and by who. If this thing was an actual grave, instead of a general memorial put...

There were Union Volunteer units from Southern states, who remained loyal to the Union, and Union loyalists who stayed in the South behind the lines. The South has Civil War Hero's, but they didn't take orders from the Confederacy. People had options not to fight for the Confederates, and not...

The Confederacy is not something to be glorified, honored, or given dignity. Also, had DC gone full Marshal Plan on the former Confederate areas, instead of pussing out and letting Jim Crow become a thing, modern America would have far less racial division left over from slavery and Jim Crow...

What you don't get, or don't want to get, is SOME CULTURES AND GROUPS DESERVE TO BE CANCELLED. The Confederacy belongs in the dustbin of history alongside the likes of the Khmer Rouge.

Because the Republicans bowed to the former Confederates and their sympathizers, and pulled Federal troops too soon, we had decades of Jim Crow in the south and had to use the 101st Airborne to enforce desegregation. Republicans being soft on Confederate sympathizers and sympathies is a...

Did you just ignore @Sailor.X and his post, because you want to try to keep up some stupid gatcha attempt on me over this? Also, a lot of the people in DC were racists at that time, as the KKK being able to March in DC showed, and given Woodrow Wilson resegregated the US military after it had...

No, just the Daughters of the Confederacy, because they were, and because the Lost Cause mythology they and other former Confederates pushed alongside Jim Crow laws did result in terrorism against blacks in America for decades. The military removing all things honoring the Confederates from...

And thanks to people like you going 'need to honor both sides of the fight as soldiers', while ignoring the horrors of Jim Crow those former Confederates perpetrated, these sorts of issues weren't settled decades ago during the Civil Right era.

Your bit doesn't at all change anything, it just tries to obscurifate that the Daughters of the Confederacy was part of the construction of this monument. Or are you trying to argue the Daughters of the Confederacy weren't basically the female KKK? "Established in Nashville, Tennessee in 1894...

It's called the context that matters as to why it should not be in Arlington, and why people like @Sailor.X feel that Reconstruction allowed former Confederates to still terrorize the newly freed black slaves. Then again, those who keep coming to the defense of Confederate monuments don't tend...

"Authorized in March 1906, former Confederate soldier and sculptor Moses Jacob Ezekiel was commissioned by the United Daughters of the Confederacy in November 1910 to design the memorial. It was unveiled by President Woodrow Wilson on June 4, 1914, the 106th anniversary of the birth of Jefferson...

Good. This monument was directly put up/paid for by the Daughters of the Confederacy, who were basically the female KKK, and dedicated by fucking Woodrow Wilson on Jefferson Davis's birthday.

Not a fan of digging up graves, even Confederate graves. Though I am wondering how the dude ended up buried in the middle of an intersection.

Confederate statue is being removed from Charlottesville, by legal means not rioters, and is being moved to the Shenandoah Valley Battlefield. This is the right way to handle these divisive symbols of the CSA; move them to battlefields and museums where they fit with the context and belong as...

The problem is, the issue can not be solved 'tactically', because they've already lost on this issue strategically. Chosing to make the Confederacy and it's symbols the hill they die on is a fools move. That is what I keep trying to get across, but they don't want to hear it, because 'muh...

It already has started, before we even knew it happened. Genie is out of the bottle; best we can do is try to limit and direct the damage. Using Confederate symbology as a sacrifical anode, akin to what they use to prevent/delay rust on ships, can save a lot of vastly more important things. As...