Try a century or two.
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I mean, I was being generous
Poe
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No it was the only possible way to get any movement on the border.
Which doesn't work. Debate them on their "merits" means that what dems want gets passed and what Republicans want gets bogged down in debate. But this is what people like you want so who cares
No what was hoped is for once dems would be forced to compromise and if our party wasn't full of literal traitors like you, who prioritize nations on the other side of the globe over our own, we would have succeeded. Americans are much more concerned about the border than ukraine, yet here were aiding them while doing nothing for own nation again. So fuck you, actually.
Except it didn't, history shows it didn't get any movement on border issues, it just frittered away months of time and thousands of UA lives trying to pretend the border was actually going to be dealt with as a part of/condition on foreign aid.
Instead of them being separate issues, like they would be in a sane world.
Except the GOP doesn't have the leverage to do that, even trying to use UA's plight as leverage for the border, and just frittered away a lot of public good will at home and abroad for a month's long stunt that accomplished NOTHING the GOP hold-out's wanted it to.
You and other's were delusional about the GOP's actual bargaining position, and who fail to realize UA succeeding is in US interest and is helping our nation, but would not work to try to tie to border issues.
The talking heads in the fringe of the GOP convinced themselves and their followers that helping UA is not in the interest of the US, I simply know that isn't true, as does most of the US and world, and Speaker Johnson finally got the aid through because he listened more to intel briefings than to grifting talking heads.
You and the anti-UA aid crowd lost because people got tired fo the bullshit attempt to tie UA and Israel aid to the border, when neither Israel nor UA have anything to do with our border issues.
The ploy/stunt failed to achieve anything, it will be a black mark on the GOP for decades, it will make it easier to paint parts of the GOP as Kremlin stooges, and it has shown how many Right-Wing NPC's are literally just political contrarians who only care about being 'against the current thing'.
Poe
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I don't care what excuses you give. If the border doesn't get passed literally nothing should because that's the #1 issue
And here we are, they're separate issues and nothing is done to help America while the foreign aid bs passed. Seems like maybe it isn't a good idea to give your opponents everything.
It does literally nothing to help our nation and even if it did, it's a secondary concern compared to our country having millions of unknowns crossing into it each year. Thats the number one concern and if our government can't address it then fuck everything else. There's no reason to argue this with people like you, all you care about is the globalist project America, and Americans, be damned.
Not how government works in the US or ever has, even if I feel the border is important.
I just don't see the border as something to try to tie UA or Israel aid to, those are very separate and different issues.
Our problems with the US border are decades old and damn near systemic, and never going to be fixed under a Dem POTUS and Dem controlled Senate, and the GOP should have known this stunt was never going to work in those conditions.
As I said, the GOP was delusional here.
No, I just don't see UA or Israel aid as 'giving my opponents something', unlike you and other delusional parts of the GOP.
Cope harder, insult me all you want, it won't change the fact that part of the GOP base was delusional about their timing and power in attempting to hold UA and Israel aid hostage to a border deal that was never going to happen the way the GOP wanted under a Dem Senate and Dem POTUS.
I care very much about America, and that's why I disliked seeing the GOP fritter away time, social capital, political capital, and UA lives in the foolish, contrarian-induced stupidity and delusional attempt at using leverage the GOP didn't have, that went on from nearly Halloween till 4/20 and accomplished nothing but costing UA lives and burning GOP credibility outside it's hardcore base.
Cope harder.
Sorry, but you isolationists, by no polling or election, have a majority in the country, or even in GOP, so stop acting as if your random ass beliefs should be treated by everyone else as the default, common sense assumption.
No, it does help US international interests, it is a great deal in terms of world power rivalry and what it usually costs, and if you want to argue otherwise, it is you who have to make a good case for it.
Tell that to the democrats. It is not a matter of alternate allocation of resources vs Ukraine war, whatever would truly limit migration, we both know that democrats wouldn't do it even if it would cost a symbolic 1 dollar, so let's stop pretending otherwise, we don't need to bullshit ourselves, even if democrats do bullshit some of us with that argument.
This is brainless politics. If you want to make a government shutdown bid over it, at least pick something that's not a matter of foreign power rivalry while democrat ideologues actually care about it, like some healthcare or civil rights stuff.
TyrantTriumphant
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Though I normally don't get involved in Ukraine related arguments, right now I feel that I need to because there is an important point that everyone seems to have missed.
That even if Congress were to pass border laws or funding it would still be pointless.
We already have strict laws against illegal immigration. The problem is that the government just ignores them. So passing more even stricter laws wouldn't do any good because the government would still just ignore them.
Same with border funding. We already have tons of funding for the border and they just use the money to give free stuff for illegals. More funding would just mean more free stuff for illegals.
So unless the Republicans in Congress can think of some way to force Biden and his minions to actually obey the law then this is all a waste of time.
That even if Congress were to pass border laws or funding it would still be pointless.
We already have strict laws against illegal immigration. The problem is that the government just ignores them. So passing more even stricter laws wouldn't do any good because the government would still just ignore them.
Same with border funding. We already have tons of funding for the border and they just use the money to give free stuff for illegals. More funding would just mean more free stuff for illegals.
So unless the Republicans in Congress can think of some way to force Biden and his minions to actually obey the law then this is all a waste of time.
Poe
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I can tell you that just giving dems and neocons everything they want in no way helps here, at least not giving them that means they get a taste of their own medicine for once.
Sorry but you aren't American and it's pretty dishonest to not state this before giving your opinion. You are Polish and if it were up to you America would bankrupt itself fighting your historic enemy for you.
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Sorry, but you aren't Ukrainian, or even European, so it's pretty dishonest to not state that every time you make any claim regarding what's happening in Ukraine.
You are an isolationist so you would ignore the anti-western dictators of the world just on an empty promise that they will leave you alone because your kind is stubbornly ignorant like that.
See, i can do it too.
Though at least it is nice that you admit Russia is a historic enemy of America's NATO allies, so what you are advocating can be interpreted as advocating failing your allies, excellent.
Who even needs the left when the "right" wants to fuck up western military alliances.
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prinCZess
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There's an easy way to do that, actually.
Congress appropriating funds to specific usages.
Or, alternatively, cutting spending.
Of course, the whole argument of whether Congress should or should not have held Ukraine and Israel aid up in exchange for a border deal of some kind is moot anyways because Congress included billions to make the border worse in the bill, anyways.
Thanks to a recent global medical experiment which proved something like 90% of doctors are political extremists and are happy to kill their patients, we cannot trust any of them. Lovely isnt it?
So...you would rather risk your child dying before they even get a chance to grow up because you don't trust vaccines thay have existed for...probably at least before most of us on here were born?
Like, Chicken pox has been in the US for centuries....
Measles would basically make you have a brain damaged child who can't function.
Mumps. Well you no longer will have grand kids.
All of these vaccines for these have been tried and tested for decades.
Just because the covid vax is dubious does not mean to put entire generations Wirth of people at risk.
mrttao
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so it is actually the "aid foreign invaders into usa, with a little bit of ukraine and israel aid attached to it bill"
I'd rather stop the cause for said diseases, rather than hope some fairy dust cooked up by psychopaths helps my kid. Can't get sick if there's no disease. *taps head*
Also interesting theory, that the vaccines haven't changed since they were first made. Questionable as they've redefined 'vaccine' in the recent years. Do you even know, for sure, what's in them?
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Okay, the dieses will not go away. Chickenpox vaccine has existed for a long time, and yet it still exists because people arnt vaccinated against it.
Every diesese I mentioned, will not just go away. You are basically saying "oh having outbreaks of such things will eventually lead to natural immunity!".
Yet..why are we not naturally immune to Chickenpox? Measles? Mumps? Polio?
Diseases continue because we keep bringing in people who have said diseases. Smallpox was extinct in the west until for some stupid reason our governments went "Whoah wait a minute, lets bring in smallpox infectees!".
But yet...chickenpox, polio, mumps, measles...havnt gone.
Yes, smallpox was brought back into the west yet, we have a vaccine for it.
Hell, I was given the vaccine as a military member. Same with Anthrax.
We get it, you dont trust the vaccines but, you have no understanding of how dieses work.
All of those diseases were going the way of the dodo well before vaccines rolled up, you know how diseases continue? By spreading.
And guess what we can do as an advanced society? Stop the spread of disease!
The pathogens responsible for most diseases doesn't last long outside of the human body, we could basically rid entire nations of specific diseases if we really tried, but then we wouldn't need vaccines.