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King Arts said:
That only works under consistency with logic. You Catholics did give the pope new powers he did not originally have yes and that can be consistent. But when you contradict yourself then it's no longer valid. Unless you are going to defend gay blessings as a noble vital part of your Catholic faith.

Religion can make new rules to deal with new issues that were not around in the past, but if the ban what was allowed before or even worse claim that what was banned before is now ok then that is very damaging to credibility without strong argumentation.
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Sometimes we get a lot of new information about things known since times immemorial. Like all sorts of rules about what's harmful, what's "unclean" and other substance related stuff was revolutionized by germ theory and further medical science. Like say pork bans of certain religions, yes, pork can give you nasty diseases, but with right treatment and veterinary tests you can make it safe too, which doesn't put these rules into right or wrong category, but "it's complicated".
Economics wise we have the example of subtle but highly impactful changes in Usury opinion and definition among Christian denominations that we discussed.
King Arts said:
For instance Christian church's can make new rules on transhumanism since that was not a thing in the past, but they can't change the rules on gays because that has been settled.

On transhumanism I tend to be against it as messing with God's design is dangerous, however one can make reasonable arguments for it.
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No one argues that it can't be dangerous at all, but whether a specific instance is depends on what transhumanism specifically we are talking about.
King Arts said:
Buddhism has a higher truth though. The universe/reality is something above humans. In Buddhism your actions will determine how good your rebirth is, and if you are correct and a Buddha you can escape the cycle of reincarnation. That is something you can point to to show that one school is right and another is not.
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Then we have Taoism, Confucianism, and so on... Any loosely rational ideology or philosophy does believe that reality is something above humans because they explicitly disbelieve the power of wishful thinking/magic/faith/whatever.
It's also why many rationalists are willing to point and laugh at the communists for shit like lysenkoism and the rest of commie wishful thinking.
King Arts said:
Wheras for Communists how can you show that Stalinism is more "true" than Maoisim. It's based on the oppinion of each commie. How very protestant of them.
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It's gonna be either guns or boring arguments about Marx and Lenin. Not that different from how many religions settled similar questions though.
King Arts said:
But Maoism is not socialism with Chinese characteristics. Mao tried to wipe out Chinese history. The modern CCP aren't Maoists since they actually like their nation and history and try to cultivate their old culture.
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Nah, not really, they are (increasingly less) moderate Maoists.
And Mao did his distinction for his agenda to not necessarily have to try to copy Soviet socialism 1:1 and work with what is convenient to him instead.
King Arts said:
Also why can you make the argument that civil rights is "commie" but not women's emancipation? After all that was around the same time as socialists after the founder of communism also. It preached for radical change in the west. Why bash on racial minorities but defend muh womens rights?
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Later feminism definitely drifted closer towards the commie arguments, and certainly was there by the time of civil rights.
Why bash on racial minorities? Dunno how much you know about the topic, but "civil rights" in US context mean much more than government not making racially discriminating laws and regulations, they do include a freedom of association limit that gets even many libertarians to think this is a problem.
King Arts said:
But egalitarianism is the root of communism, and it got it's inspiration from the enlightenment and other rationalist figures.
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Yes a lot of other enlightenment figures and rationalists weren't egalitarians, even many modern right wingers support modernish democracy/repuglicanism and freedom of religion but aren't egalitarians.
S'task said:
No pork makes a lot of sense historically. Pigs both often fed on garbage and thus were vectors for disease as well as the infamous trichinosis. It wasn't until VERY recently that pork production was clean enough to eliminate those risks.
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From what i know it also depends on local climate and water availability. Pork production even in pre-modern style was cleaner in colder, wetter places where pigs wouldn't wallow in whatever, even own crap, for cooling.
 
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S'task said:
No pork makes a lot of sense historically. Pigs both often fed on garbage and thus were vectors for disease as well as the infamous trichinosis. It wasn't until VERY recently that pork production was clean enough to eliminate those risks.
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It's the dogged insistence on rejecting logical explanations for why certain religions proscribed against certain things ("it's not a sin because it was bad for your health; it's a sin because my god says it is, blasphemer!"), and the refusal to abandon said proscriptions (or even just moderate them to any degree) when they've become no longer necessary, that is one of my biggest issues (among many) with organized religions in general.
 
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Cherico said:
Its very easy to get lost in the desert my friend.
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"We've been wandering for forty years, is this the promised land?"

"...No, this is the Netherlands. We do a lot of pig farming here."

"Cool. Mind if we stay and still not eat pork?"

"Yeah, that's fine. What are your other interests?"

"Trade, finance, precious metals..."

"We'll get along just fine. I can tell."
 
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Skallagrim said:
"We've been wandering for forty years, is this the promised land?"

"...No, this is the Netherlands. We do a lot of pig farming here."

"Cool. Mind if we stay and still not eat pork?"

"Yeah, that's fine. What are your other interests?"

"Trade, finance, precious metals..."

"We'll get along just fine. I can tell."
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weve never been good at asking for directions.
 
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