United States Anti-Semitism in the United States (and elsewhere)

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Allanon

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LordsFire said:
The problem with what you're saying isn't that there are not individuals who fit the description; a number of notable early communists, and hell, even fascists, were jewish!

The problem is that you're subscribing to collectivist ideology when you treat it as 'jews' in general, not specific individuals. Ben Shapiro is no more responsible for what George Soros does, than I am for what Joe Biden does.


Don't let that kind of thinking get to you. If specific individuals are causing problems, focus on that problem. If specific organizations, even organizations that have ethnic membership requirements, are responsible for certain problems, focus on the organization that's the problem.

I don't want to hear 'the jews' any more than I want to hear 'the whites' or 'the blacks.' Tell me about the ADL, or the New Black Panthers, or the KKK.
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The problem with what you are saying is that "regular" jews are not doing anything.

If neo-Nazis rise and take over then jews would absolutely demand I fight for them, to protect them. Now, I'm not exactly in contact with any such people (half-Dutch people are not keen on Nazis) so I could say "why should I, I'm not a part of those groups."

The reply will be "then they came for me..."

Okay, as I've said, if jews won't speak up for me against their own who are bashing me then why should I EVER speak up for them? It works both ways, and my reply to that "then they came for me" will be "so what else is new? Who ever spoke up for me?" I can only wonder if the majority are just waiting to see what happens next: if I am brought down oh well, but if we win then claim not to have been a part of it.

The second problem is with leftism jews are represented far, far beyond their numbers in the general population while not practicing it. My entire demographic is being bashed, and it is no longer possible to ignore which demographic is largely behind it.

The third problem is with that "God's chosen people" bit. Just where does THAT leave the rest of us? If any jew belives he is one of God's chosen people he is guilty of a master race mentality- we are not talking about genetics, we are talking the all-powerful DEITY here.

I can see where things are going, and making excuses and going on as usual will only end in disaster.
 
LordsFire

LordsFire

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Allanon said:
The problem with what you are saying is that "regular" jews are not doing anything.

If neo-Nazis rise and take over then jews would absolutely demand I fight for them, to protect them. Now, I'm not exactly in contact with any such people (half-Dutch people are not keen on Nazis) so I could say "why should I, I'm not a part of those groups."

The reply will be "then they came for me..."

Okay, as I've said, if jews won't speak up for me against their own who are bashing me then why should I EVER speak up for them? It works both ways, and my reply to that "then they came for me" will be "so what else is new? Who ever spoke up for me?" I can only wonder if the majority are just waiting to see what happens next: if I am brought down oh well, but if we win then claim not to have been a part of it.

The second problem is with leftism jews are represented far, far beyond their numbers in the general population while not practicing it. My entire demographic is being bashed, and it is no longer possible to ignore which demographic is largely behind it.

The third problem is with that "God's chosen people" bit. Just where does THAT leave the rest of us? If any jew belives he is one of God's chosen people he is guilty of a master race mentality- we are not talking about genetics, we are talking the all-powerful DEITY here.

I can see where things are going, and making excuses and going on as usual will only end in disaster.
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You don't hear what most jews think or say about political anything, any more than you do most white people, black people, asian people, or any other group.

Most people don't get their opinions blasted across the news-media.

Have you gone to the nearest synagogue and asked what the jews there think about things? Gone to a few others? Checked a representative sample across your local community?

Have you asked what the jews on this website think about things? Does that count as 'speaking up for you?'


If you're going to play the 'proportional representation' game, then how about the disproportionate number of middle and upper class white women who support leftist causes, make up the foot soldiers of the feminist movement, etc, etc? Are you going to have problems with white women in general, and demand they speak up for you before you'll speak up for the rights of white women?


Do you believe in a universal moral franchise, or only for people who speak up in support of you and your causes?
 
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Cherico

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LordsFire said:
You don't hear what most jews think or say about political anything, any more than you do most white people, black people, asian people, or any other group.

Most people don't get their opinions blasted across the news-media.

Have you gone to the nearest synagogue and asked what the jews there think about things? Gone to a few others? Checked a representative sample across your local community?

Have you asked what the jews on this website think about things? Does that count as 'speaking up for you?'


If you're going to play the 'proportional representation' game, then how about the disproportionate number of middle and upper class white women who support leftist causes, make up the foot soldiers of the feminist movement, etc, etc? Are you going to have problems with white women in general, and demand they speak up for you before you'll speak up for the rights of white women?


Do you believe in a universal moral franchise, or only for people who speak up in support of you and your causes?
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I have frequently spoken up on how the wokists are insane assholes.

I have told them why I'm against hate speech laws (They don't listen or they ree) I've been at this for over a decade now the insane cultists do not listen to reason.
 
DarthOne

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Cherico said:
I have frequently spoken up on how the wokists are insane assholes.

I have told them why I'm against hate speech laws (They don't listen or they ree) I've been at this for over a decade now the insane cultists do not listen to reason.
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Of course not. That would mean admitting they are wrong and everything they sacrificed, the people they threw out of their lives and so on was wrong.
 
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Allanon

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LordsFire said:
You don't hear what most jews think or say about political anything, any more than you do most white people, black people, asian people, or any other group.

Most people don't get their opinions blasted across the news-media.

Have you gone to the nearest synagogue and asked what the jews there think about things? Gone to a few others? Checked a representative sample across your local community?

Have you asked what the jews on this website think about things? Does that count as 'speaking up for you?'


If you're going to play the 'proportional representation' game, then how about the disproportionate number of middle and upper class white women who support leftist causes, make up the foot soldiers of the feminist movement, etc, etc? Are you going to have problems with white women in general, and demand they speak up for you before you'll speak up for the rights of white women?


Do you believe in a universal moral franchise, or only for people who speak up in support of you and your causes?
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I'm too black-pilled to believe in universal humanity or morality. It's obvious that those who are not partial to their own will be destroyed by those who are. I'm standing at the edge of the chasm and will not step back again.

And as for women- same thing. I no longer care what happens, as with transsexuals in their sports.

You speak of jews at this website. Well, the only one I've heard from keeps blaming being "middle men." I've been on this mudball for over half a century, and the silence is deafening. Fact is, if a neo-Nazi group rises I would be expected to speak out, even kill in battle (like in WW2), for them, but what have I gotten so far? Nothing. And nobody is asking jews to kill their own.

Understand that we live in the Internet Age. If jews want, in large numbers, to speak out it is easy. But again, nothing. Look at your post- how many have there been from "the other side" like yours in my defense?

I'm tired. Just tired of it all. Of this grey lifeless existence.

Exactly.
 
LordsFire

LordsFire

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Allanon said:
Understand that we live in the Internet Age. If jews want, in large numbers, to speak out it is easy. But again, nothing. Look at your post- how many have there been from "the other side" like yours in my defense?
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This is nonsense and willful ignorance.

Ben Shapiro has been an active voice against all kinds of leftist BS for a decade or more at this point.

Dennis Prager has been an active political voice for far longer.

You've just decided that the voices you do hear don't count, and that's on you.
 
Aldarion

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
LordsFire said:
This is nonsense and willful ignorance.

Ben Shapiro has been an active voice against all kinds of leftist BS for a decade or more at this point.

Dennis Prager has been an active political voice for far longer.

You've just decided that the voices you do hear don't count, and that's on you.
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Individual exceptions always exist, but fact is that minorities always support Leftist BS by and large. Which is why diversity is inherently destructive:
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Allanon

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LordsFire said:
This is nonsense and willful ignorance.

Ben Shapiro has been an active voice against all kinds of leftist BS for a decade or more at this point.

Dennis Prager has been an active political voice for far longer.

You've just decided that the voices you do hear don't count, and that's on you.
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So you name a couple. Big deal. Do they ever bash THEIR OWN DEMOGRAPHIC for its disproportionate presence in leftism, the way mine bashes itself? What are their views on Israel's actions? Do they admit to their responsibility for the rise of Communism and what that did? Or do they stick to safe anti-leftism bashing, which is worthless at best and a cynic might see as plausible deniability?

Go to a synagogue and ask? What kind of an absurd statement was that? I go there and, assuming I'm not told to leave, ask "what do you think of the jewish people bashing my demographic?" do you really think anyone is going to say "yes, I agree with it?" That's not how it works. I want to see PUBLIC OUTCRY.

Look, when I look to see which demographic bashes mine, which pushes leftism (like forcing hostile migrants into Western nations) it cannot be ignored which one I keep seeing. Media, political action groups, politicians, etc. it keeps happening. History bashing me, hmmmm...Howard Zinn. If you were on a game show and RIGHT NOW, no Googling, had to name six prominent feminists would they be Japanese Buddhists?

You see how absurd your arguments are? You keep trying to ignore the ten-ton elephant in the room. There were people in Germany, even the Nazi party, who did in fact oppose what was going on but they were too few to make a difference.


I'm going to give you a warning. This happens time and time again, and I've seen it.

There are two ways someone might end up in some kind of organization: attracted to or pushed to.

The first is obvious: the organization and the individual have at least mostly matching viewpoints. The NRA and animal rights groups are two perfect examples.

The second is when someone feels they have no choice, that there is nowhere else to go. White boys in prison will join something like the Aryan Brotherhood for protection- for obvious reasons we need not get into. In short, they are pushed into it.

More and more white people see themselves under attack. They are getting no help from the entities I've mentioned, quite the opposite. Leftism has made life a nightmare in the workplaces and colleges. They will therefore finally go to ANYONE who will help, even if that is a Stormfront-style group. Because there will be nowhere else TO go.

No, I do NOT want to see that happen, but clearly what I want does not matter. Your comments show me that nothing will be learned, which is why history is just the endless cycle of human stupidity causing the same violent chapters over and over again.

The antisemitism is largely because people are getting fed up. It is in large part because of the antiwhitism (if you will) that has been going on, and you cannot keep hitting someone and never expect them to hit back. Think of me as the guy trying to take away someone's keys before they drive drunk again.
 
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Bacle

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Allanon said:
So you name a couple. Big deal. Do they ever bash THEIR OWN DEMOGRAPHIC for its disproportionate presence in leftism, the way mine bashes itself? What are their views on Israel's actions? Do they admit to their responsibility for the rise of Communism and what that did? Or do they stick to safe anti-leftism bashing, which is worthless at best and a cynic might see as plausible deniability?

Go to a synagogue and ask? What kind of an absurd statement was that? I go there and, assuming I'm not told to leave, ask "what do you think of the jewish people bashing my demographic?" do you really think anyone is going to say "yes, I agree with it?" That's not how it works. I want to see PUBLIC OUTCRY.

Look, when I look to see which demographic bashes mine, which pushes leftism (like forcing hostile migrants into Western nations) it cannot be ignored which one I keep seeing. Media, political action groups, politicians, etc. it keeps happening. History bashing me, hmmmm...Howard Zinn. If you were on a game show and RIGHT NOW, no Googling, had to name six prominent feminists would they be Japanese Buddhists?

You see how absurd your arguments are? You keep trying to ignore the ten-ton elephant in the room. There were people in Germany, even the Nazi party, who did in fact oppose what was going on but they were too few to make a difference.


I'm going to give you a warning. This happens time and time again, and I've seen it.

There are two ways someone might end up in some kind of organization: attracted to or pushed to.

The first is obvious: the organization and the individual have at least mostly matching viewpoints. The NRA and animal rights groups are two perfect examples.

The second is when someone feels they have no choice, that there is nowhere else to go. White boys in prison will join something like the Aryan Brotherhood for protection- for obvious reasons we need not get into. In short, they are pushed into it.

More and more white people see themselves under attack. They are getting no help from the entities I've mentioned, quite the opposite. Leftism has made life a nightmare in the workplaces and colleges. They will therefore finally go to ANYONE who will help, even if that is a Stormfront-style group. Because there will be nowhere else TO go.

No, I do NOT want to see that happen, but clearly what I want does not matter. Your comments show me that nothing will be learned, which is why history is just the endless cycle of human stupidity causing the same violent chapters over and over again.

The antisemitism is largely because people are getting fed up. It is in large part because of the antiwhitism (if you will) that has been going on, and you cannot keep hitting someone and never expect them to hit back. Think of me as the guy trying to take away someone's keys before they drive drunk again.
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Anyone who thinks 'the Jews' are behind anti-white bullshit, and not you know the USSR's legacy of influence ops in western academia, is a moron.

Jews are 'white', or 'German', right up till somebody needs a scapegoat for their own social failings and weaknesses.

It's a repeated pattern throughout history.
 
LordsFire

LordsFire

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Allanon said:
If you were on a game show and RIGHT NOW, no Googling, had to name six prominent feminists would they be Japanese Buddhists?
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Simone d'Bouvour.

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.

Helen Keller.

Hillary Clinton.

Kamala Harris.

Jennifer Granholm.

French (white), Hispanic (schroedinger's white), American (white), white, black, and white. I'll go look up Granholm real quick, I don't think she's jewish, but... Nope, she's just plain old white, not jewish.

They're all ostensibly christian, and 4/6 are white, AOC would pass for white if she wasn't aggressively identitarian like so many leftists are.


The pattern I'm seeing here is not 'it's the jews,' the pattern I'm seeing is that most leftists are white. By your logic and pattern recognition, I should then have some kind of grudge against whites as an ethnicity. Or should it be that they're 'christians' that I focus on?

But I don't care what ethnicity someone is, I care what ideology they follow (and none of these people actually follow Christian ideology). And there's a lot more dangerous leftist whites out there, than there are dangerous leftist jews. That's basic pattern recognition; what you're claiming is the result of 'pattern recognition' is actually just the result of your own fixation and bias.

There is a known psychological phenomenon where once you become conscious of something that was there all along, it can seem like its presence is overwhelming.
 
Husky_Khan

Husky_Khan

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Allanon said:
So you name a couple. Big deal. Do they ever bash THEIR OWN DEMOGRAPHIC for its disproportionate presence in leftism, the way mine bashes itself? What are their views on Israel's actions? Do they admit to their responsibility for the rise of Communism and what that did? Or do they stick to safe anti-leftism bashing, which is worthless at best and a cynic might see as plausible deniability?
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Dennis Prager has repeatedly decried leftism in Jewish circles. Most of the Jews in media and talk radio do that.

As for their views on Israel's actions, is supporting Pan-Arabism, Islamism and/or Arab Socialism the actual right wing value you are advocating there? I mean there are isolationist and libertarian Jews but beyond that most of them tend to take the POV that Israel existing as a Democracy and yes a Jewish state is fine, especially against the backdrop of over fifty Muslim and over twenty Arab countries surrounding them having the same level of legitimacy.

Perhaps you mean, their support of Israel is hypocritical because they don't support the "right wing" value of creating a White ethnostate in America? I don't want to speak for you. Is that the thrust of that particular point?

But no, I don't think any of them admitted responsibility for the Rise of Communism because they themselves are Jewish. The fact that you state they should admit responsibility for crimes against humanity decades ago based largely on their ethnic or religious identity is interesting though. Is that a right wing and conservative value I'm actually not aware of? Fascinating regardless.
 
Husky_Khan

Husky_Khan

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Allanon said:
If you were on a game show and RIGHT NOW, no Googling, had to name six prominent feminists would they be Japanese Buddhists?
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LordsFire said:
Simone d'Bouvour.

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.

Helen Keller.

Hillary Clinton.

Kamala Harris.

Jennifer Granholm.
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Oh this is a neat challenge.

Andrea Dworkin. (I almost said Andrew... lol... google it... actually no don't google her)

Barbara Ehrenreich.

Elizabeth Warren.

Fuck.... I'm suddenly blanking out... What the fuck is the name of that... Ayaan... No wait... that's not her...

ILHAN OMAR.

Samantha Bee.

Rachel Maddow.

Okay... now to check.

Andrew Dworkin was descended from Russian Jews whose family suffered from the Holocaust but Godless herself.

Barbara Ehrenreich was descended from a blue collar White Union family and a fourth generation atheist.

Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

Ilhan Omar is a Somali Warlord who married her Somali brother, then some other guy... and now married a Rich American White Liberal Jewish Political Donor. What a beautiful American story. I bet she's a very pious Muslim.

Rachel Maddow has English, Irish, Dutch and RUSSIAN JEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ancestry from her paternal grandfather. She grew up Catholic and Conservative. Also Canadian.

Samantha Bee is a White Canadian who grew up Catholic.

So I got 5/6 White people... I mean Elizabeth Warren is obviously Native American but she's passably White. And one jolly Somali who can't wait to get colonized. Two were raised Catholic, one raised a blue collar Atheist, one raised as a Russian Jew and one Muslim and Elizabeth Warren is Evangelical (lol) Methodist Christian in upbringing. Two were Canadian though... maybe that's an issue.

So...

5/6 White
2/6 Catholic
2/6 Canadian
1.25/6 RUSSIAN ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((JEW))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))!!!!1 (am I doing that right?)

If anything, we need to deport Russians and Canadians immediately. And especially Russian-Canadians. Holy shit...
 
Husky_Khan

Husky_Khan

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Seriously... NGL... this concept of thinking up lists of things gameshow style without googling has lots of applications.

Is there like a website or app/program that can do this? I mean using the honor/trust system is fine but there are so many silly party game level ideas that I can make threads on and spam this forum with.
 
King Arts

King Arts

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Husky_Khan said:
Dennis Prager has repeatedly decried leftism in Jewish circles. Most of the Jews in media and talk radio do that.

As for their views on Israel's actions, is supporting Pan-Arabism, Islamism and/or Arab Socialism the actual right wing value you are advocating there? I mean there are isolationist and libertarian Jews but beyond that most of them tend to take the POV that Israel existing as a Democracy and yes a Jewish state is fine, especially against the backdrop of over fifty Muslim and over twenty Arab countries surrounding them having the same level of legitimacy.

Perhaps you mean, their support of Israel is hypocritical because they don't support the "right wing" value of creating a White ethnostate in America? I don't want to speak for you. Is that the thrust of that particular point?

But no, I don't think any of them admitted responsibility for the Rise of Communism because they themselves are Jewish. The fact that you state they should admit responsibility for crimes against humanity decades ago based largely on their ethnic or religious identity is interesting though. Is that a right wing and conservative value I'm actually not aware of? Fascinating regardless.
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No American Jews should not support pan Arabism because both Zionism and supporting Arab states are things we should not do. Arab Americans Chinese Americans and Russian Americans. Should all support America.

It’s ok for immigrants to have favorable feelings to their ancestral lands when you get American citizenship you don’t get amnesia after all. But we should look very closely at any American citizens who are doing lobbying to the government so the US treats their nation favorably.

After all someone earlier talked about a “universal moral franchise” and all being treated well based as individuals instead of what their group did. Thats fair if you stick to that standard consistently.

So if you are ok with AIPAC you should also be fine with Chinese Americans setting up their own lobby same with Arabs Palestinians, and Russians. Are you ok with that or does one group get a racist advantage?
 
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