United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

Rocinante said:
Just going to jump in for a third "no, do not lie."

We have the truth to stand on. Let's keep it that way. Once we start lying, we are no better than them.

Though maybe we can start saying something like "the truth has a right wing bias," just to turn that phrase back around on them lol
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I prefer 'The right wing has a truth bias.'

Because in the end, the truth is the truth, it doesn't have a bias. But you and/or your ideology can have a bias towards or against it.
 
I'm going to be very real, if there are people here who are ok with what Sir 1000 has suggested, of outright pushing lies because they are convenient tools to attack your political enemies with, here's a simple message:

That is why the smears of the Left work so well. People that engage in that tactic are the cancer that has been killing the image of the Right to people who aren't as informed as us, and/or who do not trust most of the Right to begin with.
MelancholicMechanicus said:
We don't fully know indeed. It's doesn't quite fit their M.O. as Ngo has said, they are more of burn down cities type of arson. Which is why it is so worrying these are arson. Could it be a different group? Some splinter Antifa cell? Pure coincidence? Hell maybe it's China using the chaos to further sabotage the US by using useful retards on Antifa to do their dirty work while have plausible deniability.
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I could believe it was Chinese agents, or possibly straight up anarchists.
LordsFire said:
I prefer 'The right wing has a truth bias.'

Because in the end, the truth is the truth, it doesn't have a bias. But you and/or your ideology can have a bias towards or against it.
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I understand the feeling behind this, and it's a good message, but is the wrong way to approach this.

Remember the Obi-Wan Corollary to 'Truth': "It is the truth, from a certain point of view."

There is a difference between knowing/saying 'the truth', as one sees it, and knowingly being ok with pushing lies.

What Sir 1000 advocated for is the latter, where the former is more subjective by the day and person.
 
Bacle said:
That is why the smears of the Left work so well. People that engage in that tactic are the cancer that has been killing the image of the Right to people who aren't as informed as us, and/or who do not trust most of the Right to begin with.
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To build on this, if you abandon arguing with the facts and with truth because it's convenient, you're going to run into the problem that the Left is better at it.

I don't see how you can somehow assert your version of lies better than the large numbers of companies, journalists, and people who have already abandoned all semblance of integrity.

Even if you turn out to be better at lying than they are, there's more of them, and they're already entrenched in areas where they can promote their version of events.
 
Mimas said:
To build on this, if you abandon arguing with the facts and with truth because it's convenient, you're going to run into the problem that the Left is better at it.

I don't see how you can somehow assert your version of lies better than the large numbers of companies, journalists, and people who have already abandoned all semblance of integrity.

Even if you turn out to be better at lying than they are, there's more of them, and they're already entrenched in areas where they can promote their version of events.
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Well put. Even if you ignored the fact that it's incredibly unethical (which you shouldn't), it's also an incredibly ineffective strategy.

Little point in getting into a contest of lies with the devil, so to speak.
 
Cherico said:
Look at the end of the day Antifa does so many awful things that we don't need to lie about them the truth is damning enough as is.
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Honestly, only way this probably ties in with ANTIFA is that it's more-or-less the same political party's fault for all the deadwood

And if that thing about a "Gender Reveal" party is true, ties in with the obsession with Identity Politics the Left's got, which is really narcissism pretending to be compassion, as a way to get away with doing stupid and borderline malevolent or outright malevolent shit and accuse the victims and those trying to stop it to be horrible monsters
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
And if that thing about a "Gender Reveal" party is true, ties in with the obsession with Identity Politics the Left's got, which is really narcissism pretending to be compassion, as a way to get away with doing stupid and borderline malevolent or outright malevolent shit and accuse the victims and those trying to stop it to be horrible monsters
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The obsession with sex is also creepy and demeaning, especially in how they turn fetishes into identities. Sexual attraction as a whole should be something private, not somthing spurted out all over the streets.
 
Doomsought said:
The obsession with sex is also creepy and demeaning, especially in how they turn fetishes into identities. Sexual attraction as a whole should be something private, not somthing spurted out all over the streets.
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I think part of the reason they simultaneously dislike Uzaki-chan is because they look down on people willing to keep things private or don’t want “the real thing”

This extends not just to porn but entertainment

Escapism whether via books or comics or videogames is to be looked down upon unless it gets extra WOKE

Otherwise they prefer that people do the LARPING and “interaction” out on the streets....you know? Hurting REAL people and damaging REAL businesses and the like

To them who try going on about how said entertainment was “always political” they really think the “heroes” in said fiction would agree with them

If anything, they are the “heroes” or “protagonists” of real life

They’re fighting a Big Bad or set of numerous villains and constantly having “sequels” where they win in the end and go back home before playing the next game

The current riots are just one of the main quests

They’re hoping to get to the “final quest” that involves storming the White House and beating the Final Boss(Trump) and then they’ll wait for the next Big Bad

They even get to be “harem/ecchi/hentai protagonists” too, when they’re really a bunch of sexual predators, who hypocritically call others rapists and molestors without evidence

Everyone in BLM and ANTIFA is the “Main Protagonist” or “the Hero” of this “story”
 
Sir 1000 said:
The people who you want have msm propaganda pumped into their head 24/7. The youth are increasingly indoctrinated to hate anything to the right of karl marx. I want to know where these new 'red pilled' people are coming from? All i see on the right anymore is echo chambers. Most people never even see what you want them to. If anything the media will blame 'white supremacists' and those people will never know differently. At least with my way they are put on the defense before they lie and blame the right.

Also, if you don't want to read what i have to say then block me you pussy.
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The MSM bullshit can be fought through; that I'm on Trump's side and the #Walkaway campaign's growing momentum is proof of that.

People like you, who have no problem spouting/pushing lies for political gain, actively make it harder to pull people off the fence. If people in the middle think both sides lie just as much as the other, many will simply opt to vote third party or not at all.

It took Trump to revive the Big Tent Right, and assholes like you are making it harder to keep people in the tent or get more to join.
 
People fighting for the truth have a lot of disadvantages. Lies can be catered to appeal to their audience. Lies are supported by a lot of powerful corrupt people who benefit from them. Lies can be what people want to believe instead of unfortunate facts that they would rather not accept. As the saying goes, a lie can travel around the world twice before the truth gets its pants on.

And yet, the truth does have one big advantage in its favor. It’s TRUE. It conforms to reality and that can be observed by anybody with the courage and intellect to try, as rare as they might be. It would be a shame for conservatives, who have so long fought for truth and against lies, to abandon one of their only advantages against the left in order to fight the left on the left’s home territory.

Fighting the left with lies is playing the left’s game by the left’s rules. It is like jumping into the swamp to wrestle a crocodile. It’s like going up against a Sicilian when death is on the line. It’s like fighting Bane in the dark. You think that deceit is your ally? You merely adopted deceit. The left was born in it, molded by it.

Even if lies would work, which they wouldn’t because the right doesn’t have the massive educational and multimedia empire to push those lies, it would be like becoming our enemy and there is no more thorough way to lose than becoming your enemy.

It‘s not about being a cuckservative or being far-right. Degrees of conservatism or moderation doesn’t factor into it, its about knowing that truth is one of our only advantages over the left and that in abandoning truth, we also abandon what we our fighting for.
 
ShieldWife said:
When it comes to Antifa, we could all spend our lives just trying to tell the dark truth about them and trying to get that knowledge to the public. We don’t need lies, the truth about them is bad enough.
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The challenge is making sure people don't forget/ignore it in a few minutes

Here's the one advice

 
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