LifeisTiresome
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So what do you guys say about the whole Russia has bounties on US soldiers thing?
Bounties on US troops by Russia
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It looked like a stupid article in the first place.
It's wholly dependent on anonymous intelligence officials who derived this intelligence from captured Afghan terrorists. criminals and insurgents.
Not exactly the most reliable pipeline of intelligence to base national policy or engage in retaliation for.
Plus I'm not sure the point or payoff for Russia in offering bounties to already anti-American insurgencies to kill more Americans? Like... your risking an escalation of conflict if true and if it does come out and is confirmed and the tradeoff is what? A few more American bodybags maybe?
Maybe if Russia was paying the Taliban in an effort to derail the Peace Process in Afghanistan, THAT would make sense, but I don't think any of the media sources intimated that. I could be wrong.
It's wholly dependent on anonymous intelligence officials who derived this intelligence from captured Afghan terrorists. criminals and insurgents.
Not exactly the most reliable pipeline of intelligence to base national policy or engage in retaliation for.
Plus I'm not sure the point or payoff for Russia in offering bounties to already anti-American insurgencies to kill more Americans? Like... your risking an escalation of conflict if true and if it does come out and is confirmed and the tradeoff is what? A few more American bodybags maybe?
Maybe if Russia was paying the Taliban in an effort to derail the Peace Process in Afghanistan, THAT would make sense, but I don't think any of the media sources intimated that. I could be wrong.
DarthOne
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Naturally certain websites are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
Lanmandragon
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Wouldn't be terribly surprised I've seen no conclusive proof though. Opionons mean jackshit only legit evidence matters. That being said if I were Putin and I thought I could keep it secret I'd do it. So who the hell knows?
Where did the US Government say that this happened?
Everywhere I've read has the DoD, Whitehouse and intelligence agencies saying that there is no real evidence to support this claim. So little in fact that the intelligence agencies didn't even see it as worthwhile to bring up at any Whitehouse briefings. That is before the NYT ran a story saying it had happened... without providing any real evidence.
Everywhere I've read has the DoD, Whitehouse and intelligence agencies saying that there is no real evidence to support this claim. So little in fact that the intelligence agencies didn't even see it as worthwhile to bring up at any Whitehouse briefings. That is before the NYT ran a story saying it had happened... without providing any real evidence.
Duke Nukem
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This sounds like something some leftist russophobes made up
Floridaman
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supposedly it was an investigation into whether this was happening. Of course now that it was leaked by someone that investigation is dead. And to be honest I don’t buy it, the Russians would gain nothing from it and the militants were inclined to do it anyway. Iran would make some sense as they want revenge but can’t do so openly.
Tzeentchean Perspective
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It’s a PsyOp.
Consider how often the media cared to report on American deaths in Afghanistan up until now.
Or, how high is the combat death rate for Americans these past 2 years.
They didn’t care then, they don’t really care now.
Consider how often the media cared to report on American deaths in Afghanistan up until now.
Or, how high is the combat death rate for Americans these past 2 years.
They didn’t care then, they don’t really care now.
Thors_Alumni
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Has there been any evidence provided that this is true and not made up?
Vaultdweller105
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The Intelligence community were doing the investigation to see if it was true, because it was unconfirmed Intel (Misinformation,Fake or if it was true), they need to have evidence that the can prove that it was real. because of NYT using this unconfirmed Intel as a political hit job. now it is impossible to finish the investigation to find out if it was truly Real or not.
Terthna
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Which suits the Democrats just fine; because otherwise, it might have been proven false, and that would not serve their narrative.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
I don't get the Lefts irrational Russophobia.
Tryglaw
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I guess its because they need an enemy, and China has grown too big and powerful to be made to submit to US and "liberal values". Also, Russia has a lot of natural resources that could be "liberalized" and "democratized".
Hell, Hillary Clinton once said "it was unfair the wealth of Siberia belonged to Russia" and that "it should be placed under democratic control".
Thors_Alumni
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I bet the Russians loved that.
Lanmandragon
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This plus attempts to stir up residual cool war feelings. Hell if this was the 90s it likely would've worked. As the GOP was still very much in cold war mode.
Tryglaw
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Yeah, exactly as much as you can expect, when US State Sec comes and tells "we will partition your country, it's really for the best (that we can pillage your nation to line our pockets like we did under Yeltsin)".
Some food for thought:
There's an excellent interview with F. William Engdahl,
You can also read it here:
The Rape of Russia (Saker blog exclusive interview) | The Vineyard of the Saker
A bird's eye view of the vineyard
thesaker.is
Pat Buchanan has a lot of interesting entries on his blog on Russia:
Russia Baiters and Putin Haters
“Is Russia an enemy of the United States?” NBC’s Kasie Hunt demanded of Ted Cruz. Replied the runner-up for the GOP nomination, “Russia is a significant adversary. Putin is …
buchanan.org
Lavrov vs. McCain: Is Russia an Enemy?
The founding fathers of the Munich Security Conference, said John McCain, would be “be alarmed by the turning away from universal values and toward old ties of blood, and race, and sectariani…
buchanan.org
Is Putin’s Russia an ‘Evil Empire’?
“History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce,” a saying attributed to Karl Marx, comes to mind in this time of Trump. To those of us raised in the Truman era, when the Red A…
buchanan.org
Katehon is a good source:
Putin’s Russia: Too Perfect of an Enemy for the West
The West needed a threat, as they always need artificial threats to survive. Western culture has developed on the basis of wars and catastrophes, and if there’s no war in the horizon, then it must be created.
Why does the West hate Russia?
A historical explanation. The disease is the Western world, and the cure is called Russia, although not Yeltsin's Russia, but Putins.
How and Why the U.S. Media Carry Out Propaganda Against Russia
The owners of U.S. newsmedia know that in order to serve their fellow U.S. aristocrats who want to kick out Russia’s current leader, Vladimir Putin, so as to enable them to buy Russia’s natural resources (and highly educated work-forces) cheap via “privatizations,” their PR campaign for their...
I also like Paul Craig Roberts a lot:
Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage
www.paulcraigroberts.org
Another interesting bit from a "neutral" point of view:
Why does the Western world, including the United States, hate Russia?
In light of the increased focus on the probe into possible Russian meddling in the U.S. elections, it becomes educative to understand the West-centric narrative of Russophobia and the origins of suspicion and antagonism towards the erstwhile Communist behemoth.
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Last but not least:
"Architects of American policy towards Russia and Ukraine are destroying American national security": Stephen F. Cohen on the truths U.S. media and politicians hide
Myths of American nationalism busted as our interview with noted scholar concludes
www.salon.com
This part especially:
"The enormous value the Soviet Union accreted—most Americans know nothing of this; with the media's encouragement, we’re completely ignorant of this. There’s nothing encouraging us to understand that the hundreds of billions of misappropriated assets during the 1990s was essentially the misappropriation of Soviet wealth.
A lot of it came here, to the United States.
Can you talk about this?
I can tell you about a guy who was formerly very high up in the CIA. I called him about a something I was writing on Russian wealth smuggled through the banks into the United States, and he said, We have informed the FBI exactly where all this wealth is in the United States but we are under strict political orders to do nothing about it. Now, the interesting thing is, why now? Well, it would have badly damaged the Yeltsin regime, which the Clinton administration had unconditionally embraced, but also because that money became part of the flourishing stock and real estate markets here at that time."
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Personally, I think Russia gets way to much hate from both the Right and Left.
The US would never have gotten free of Britain if the Russian monarchy hadn't sided with us, along side France.
And the US wouldn't have near the power in the Pacific or as many natural resources without Alaska. Russia sold it to us cheap to keep Britian from trying to poach it during unrest.
With the BS the Clinton's and other Cold Warriors have pulled since the Berlin Wall came down, I'm not blaming them for feeling the US is out to get them. I'd prefer the US to work with Russia to conquer the stars, rather than bicker over old grudges.
Even the shit going on in the Ukraine is only happening because the border between Ukraine and Russia was modified by Gorbachev during the late USSR years.
Not to say they are innocent babes, but they are far more like the US than many are comfortable admitting.
The US would never have gotten free of Britain if the Russian monarchy hadn't sided with us, along side France.
And the US wouldn't have near the power in the Pacific or as many natural resources without Alaska. Russia sold it to us cheap to keep Britian from trying to poach it during unrest.
With the BS the Clinton's and other Cold Warriors have pulled since the Berlin Wall came down, I'm not blaming them for feeling the US is out to get them. I'd prefer the US to work with Russia to conquer the stars, rather than bicker over old grudges.
Even the shit going on in the Ukraine is only happening because the border between Ukraine and Russia was modified by Gorbachev during the late USSR years.
Not to say they are innocent babes, but they are far more like the US than many are comfortable admitting.
Tryglaw
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Which is probably a good part of the problem, when US foreign policy is "do as I say, not as I do"...
Lanmandragon
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Once it became obvious China wa ridigg. What we should've done is offer an olive branch. Then get the Russians into an anti-china alliance. It's a real shame we didn't plus as a bonus. If we had Moscow on our side they'd check Tehran withoutus doing anything. Alot of foolish decsions were made in the 90s.