Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

Zachowon said:
I mean, you know MY answer on this.
But as for a reasonable answer.
How do you do something peaceful here?
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Honestly? I’m not sure. (Besides forcibly converting everyone to Christianity of course :p)

Maybe this is just a lack of knowledge on my part, but it seems like a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ situation.
 
DarthOne said:
The point trying to be made, I think, is that the slippery slope is real and that it could be very easy to find (if not flat out make up) excuses for genocide in the future. Regardless of if the Palestinians deserve it or not in the here and now.

Basically, is this a Pandora’s box we really want to open?
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Ok, then what is Israel supposed to do? Because they've tried negotiating for decades to no avail, and they've tried to just maintain the status quo and keep things from boiling over and gotten nothing but constant attacks for their trouble.

At this point, I don't see any choices other than just pounding Gaza flat until the Palestinians are broken of their resolve and admit that this is war they cannot win and accept whatever deal the Israelis offer them.
 
DarthOne said:
Honestly? I’m not sure. (Besides forcibly converting everyone to Christianity of course :p)

Maybe this is just a lack of knowledge on my part, but it seems like a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ situation.
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Makes sense really.
No idea what to do
 
Jormungandr said:
What the Germans erroneously believed/were told (and if Jews in Germany were doing that, show us the evidence that they weren't just poor scapegoats for the current economic and political fuck ups going on at the time post-Great War) and what's actually going on over there are different because we actually have evidence that Palestinians do this.

They do exactly what they've been accused of, and they're proud to admit it on goddamn camera. They've repeatedly said that they want Israel destroyed and its people basically killed or converted.

The only way this would be equivalent to '30's Germany's Jews would be if the Jews themselves proudly showed off anti-German lessons in their schools and showed off "kill the German" cartoons/media, thus confirming everything that was said about them at the time.

Nor did Jewish refugees or elements try to launch coups in Germany or in nearby countries to seize control of said countries.

Here's a pro tip: They couldn't because they didn't do any of these things.

Hell, I could go on YouTube right fucking now and dig up about six different videos showing Palestinian kids shouting "kill the Jews!" in schools.

Again, false equivalence. Don't compare actual victims with the Palestinians.

Try again.

Edit: Also, I'm not justifying genocide. But sympathy/empathy? Fuck 'em. They can wallow in their own shit for all I care.
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What is the Weimar republic and Jewish led communist civil war for 500$ alex?
 
DarthOne said:
Honestly? I’m not sure. (Besides forcibly converting everyone to Christianity of course :p)

Maybe this is just a lack of knowledge on my part, but it seems like a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ situation.
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Render Hamas extinct, and any Palestinians who don't want to be labelled Hamas can either leave for Egypt or go to the West Bank under the less genocidal Palestinian Authority.

But anyone who is a Hamas member is either going to end up dead or in jail for a long time.
 
Bacle said:
Render Hamas extinct, and any Palestinians who don't want to be labelled Hamas can either leave for Egypt or go to the West Bank under the less genocidal Palestinian Authority.

But anyone who is a Hamas member is either going to end up dead or in jail for a long time.
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Problem is that you’ve got to get them all otherwise they’ll just scatter and rebuild again. Which given this is a secretive organization is going to be difficult.
 
DarthOne said:
Problem is that you’ve got to get them all otherwise they’ll just scatter and rebuild again. Which given this is a secretive organization is going to be difficult.
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Not if the Saudi's cut them loose, and the younger gens of Saudi's don't care about the Palestinians a catspaw against Israel, like their elders did.

Also, do not forget how the Mossad hunted Nazi's after WW2; the same is likely to happen to Hamas members.
 
49ersfootball said:
Let's not forget about the stupidity of the Biden administration kissing up to Iran.
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Just a reminder for everyone:



How The Biden Administration FACILITATED & FUNDED the Barbaric terror attacks on Israel:

- Shortly after Joe Biden took office, Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced that the administration would be resuming direct payments to the Terror Regime in Gaza.

- These payments were CANCELED under Donald Trump.

-Millions of dollars of American taxpayer money began flowing to Hamas once more on the direct orders of Joe Biden

- That money has been directly funding terror attacks on Israel

-Last month, The Biden administration announced they would be giving $6 billion to Iran in a prisoner swap deal

-When pressed on if that money would used for terrorism, Iran's president bragged it would be spent "wherever" they need it.

- The Biden Administration has bent over backwards to enrich Iran by relieving sanctions, restarting the suicidal 'Iran Deal' and even hiring Iranian spies in our Pentagon (!!!)

-That brings us to today. Hamas launched 5,000 missiles in a surprise attack in one of the largest attacks to date — For context more missiles were launched last night than in the '50-day war' between the two sides in 2014, which saw 4,000 missiles.

-Iran is one of the main suppliers of weapons for Hamas and it is no coincidence that one of the largest single night attacks came just a month after Iran received Billions from the Biden Administration.

- Hamas military leaders THANKED Iran [and by proxy the Biden Administration who enriches them] for their support in the terror attack

- Joe Biden's suicidal and catastrophic surrender in Afghanistan flooded terrorist networks with fresh cash and pristine abandoned American weapons

- American Weapons that Biden GAVE to terrorists in Afghanistan are visible on the battlefield today, wielded by Hamas

- The Biden Administrations funding & surrender to terrorists around the world have emboldened these attacks and anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar
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Bacle said:
Not if the Saudi's cut them loose, and the younger gens of Saudi's don't care about the Palestinians a catspaw against Israel, like their elders did.

Also, do not forget how the Mossad hunted Nazi's after WW2; the same is likely to happen to Hamas members.
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The problem is that was several decades ago and, by and large, the people running Mossad now are not the ones running it them.

As for the Nazis that were being hunted more recently, there’s considerable difference between tracking down a handful of tired, possibly semi-senile old men and hunting down an active and armed terrorist organization. As the last day or two has demonstrated.

From what I’m seeing, either Mossad dropped the ball or we’ve got another 9/11-Esq moment where elements of the security apparatus and the political leadership allowed an attack to happen.
 
Ok,
Not speaking as a mod.

Frankly, some on this board in this thread make me ashamed to be here. Full stop, end of story. You know who you are. I won't accuse you of being human.

Some of you post Iranian, Chinese, Russian, and Hamas aligned media sources without an OUNCE of salt about their intentions.

Some of you sound almost gleeful watching Israelis die.

I am a Jew. I may not be the best Jew (I like shellfish, I love Pepperoni pizza, and I like my Friday nights) but this is Holocaust level stuff. Don't try to nuance me today. Just don't. I am not interested in moral equivelence. Hamas through it's actions has rose it's hands against all men. Period.

The IDF fucked up, you know what? They will recover, and then I think Hamas is going to find out what a really bad decision they made. Gloves are coming off, and the Arabs are going to have to ask who they want as neighbors? Unhinged folks who can do this? Or an Israel they have been at peace with for 50 years? Considering they've all had their own histories with the Palestinians (Black September 1970, and Kuwait 1991 are two big examples). Pro forma condemnations are not big deals. Call me if someone actually mobilizes.

Do I advocate genocide? No. But do I advocate the utter destruction of Hamas ala Al Queda? Yes. They proved they don't want any other peace than the peace of the dead. In a civilized world, this cannot stand. It should not stand. And I don't want to be associated with those that think this is somehow OK. So do me a favor? Give it a rest. And get checked for presence of a soul.
 
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Marduk said:
That's the problem with the whole Palestinian cause.
You can't do the equivalent of post-WW2 Germany and Japan treatment with them without utterly pissing off the rest of Arab and to a degree even Muslim world, even though in theory they want to be considered an independent people.
They have to pick one option. Either their comrades in struggle take some responsibility for them and in solving this mess, or fuck off and let the chips fall where they may.
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There is also the elephant in the room, which is a potential, decades long insurgency and nation building.
Even if all of Hezbollah is pueged, there is not real and legitimate state tradition in so called Palestine.

And I doubt that Israel has the desire to turn itself into a poliglot, politheist nation, either, so outright annexation is out.

Paying off the Palestinians to fuck off somewhere and finding a somewhere to take them in might be the only fix.
 
CurtisLemay said:
Ok,
Not speaking as a mod.

Frankly, some on this board in this thread make me ashamed to be here. Full stop, end of story. You know who you are. I won't accuse you of being human.

Some of you post Iranian, Chinese, Russian, and Hamas aligned media sources without an OUNCE of salt about their intentions.

Some of you sound almost gleeful watching Israelis die.

I am a Jew. I may not be the best Jew (I like shellfish, I love Pepperoni pizza, and I like my Friday nights) but this is Holocaust level stuff. Don't try to nuance me today. Just don't. I am not interested in moral equivelence. Hamas through it's actions has rose it's hands against all men. Period.

The IDF fucked up, you know what? They will recover, and then I think Hamas is going to find out what a really bad decision they made. Gloves are coming off, and the Arabs are going to have to ask who they want as neighbors? Unhinged folks who can do this? Or an Israel they have been at peace with for 50 years? Considering they've all had their own histories with the Palestinians (Black September 1970, and Kuwait 1991 are two big examples). Pro forma condemnations are not big deals. Call me if someone actually mobilizes.

Do I advocate genocide? No. But do I advocate the utter destruction of Hamas ala Al Queda? Yes. They proved they don't want any other peace than the peace of the dead. In a civilized world, this cannot stand. It should not stand. And I don't want to be associated with those that think this is somehow OK. So do me a favor? Give it a rest. And get checked for presence of a soul.
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The problem is not the IDF, it is Mossad, and the CIA and every single other alphabet agency somehow managing to fuck up while what is a huge operation was being planner and organized, human intelligence, signals intelligence, all failed, and it is not like this is the first time since the founding of Israel has happened.
The west can fail where intelligence is concerned, Israel, given it's position and neighbours can not, and Mossad was supposed to be the best there is.

Clearly, someone was asleep at the wheel, or alternatively somebody was willingly sabotaging the intelligence and the defense of Israel.

It is suspicious to me that this happens after Netanyahu got back into power despite the Mossad and the west allegedly being against it.
 
Agent23 said:
There is also the elephant in the room, which is a potential, decades long insurgency and nation building.
Even if all of Hezbollah is pueged, there is not real and legitimate state tradition in so called Palestine.

And I doubt that Israel has the desire to turn itself into a poliglot, politheist nation, either, so outright annexation is out.

Paying off the Palestinians to fuck off somewhere and finding a somewhere to take them in might be the only fix.
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And as we’ve seen at least a few Israelis are willing to ship them into Europe or elsewhere and make them problems for the rest of us.
 
Agent23 said:
There is also the elephant in the room, which is a potential, decades long insurgency and nation building.
Even if all of Hezbollah is pueged, there is not real and legitimate state tradition in so called Palestine.

And I doubt that Israel has the desire to turn itself into a poliglot, politheist nation, either, so outright annexation is out.

Paying off the Palestinians to fuck off somewhere and finding a somewhere to take them in might be the only fix.
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They already have Israeli Arabs, most of them Sunnis. Assuming they had arbitrary sufficient time and political mandate to indoctrinate Gaza's residents into whatever they find convenient and were successful at it, which is very unrealistic, i guess it wouldn't be that bad of a problem even with the number involved, but that's a purely theoretical scenario.
In a more practical one, not feasible at all.
 
DarthOne said:
The problem is that was several decades ago and, by and large, the people running Mossad now are not the ones running it them.

As for the Nazis that were being hunted more recently, there’s considerable difference between tracking down a handful of tired, possibly semi-senile old men and hunting down an active and armed terrorist organization. As the last day or two has demonstrated.

From what I’m seeing, either Mossad dropped the ball or we’ve got another 9/11-Esq moment where elements of the security apparatus and the political leadership allowed an attack to happen.
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That's fair; somebody dropped the ball hard for this to happen in the first place.
 
CurtisLemay said:
I think he is as is much at a loss for an endgame as you are DarthOne.
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If you say so.
Agent23 said:
The problem is not the IDF, it is Mossad, and the CIA and every single other alphabet agency somehow managing to fuck up while what is a huge operation was being planner and organized, human intelligence, signals intelligence, all failed, and it is not like this is the first time since the founding of Israel has happened.
The west can fail where intelligence is concerned, Israel, given it's position and neighbours can not, and Mossad was supposed to be the best there is.

Clearly, someone was asleep at the wheel, or alternatively somebody was willingly sabotaging the intelligence and the defense of Israel.

It is suspicious to me that this happens after Netanyahu got back into power despite the Mossad and the west allegedly being against it.
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That and I would not be surprised if the US political and military establishment might have had their hand in this to play both sides and have another forever war now that Ukraine seems to be winding down and the mass dissatisfaction at the money being given to them.
 
DarthOne said:
If you say so.


That and I would not be surprised if the US political and military establishment might have had their hand in this to play both sides and have another forever war now that Ukraine seems to be winding down and the mass dissatisfaction at the money being given to them.
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Why would Hamas of all people take orders from US establishment?
We all know who do they consider their main allies, and inconveniently to certain political factions, that would be Iran (also their currently main military hardware supplier).
 
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