As long as it can reduce the work load, you don't need as many people to do the work. I'm not saying it'll put entire professions out of work; just increasingly larger portions of them as technology improves. AI art generators for example are not a new medium; they are a tool than can be used to give one person the ability to do the work of an entire team of artists. They're already putting artists out of work in China, and it's only a matter of time until, say, Wizards of the Coast decides to use them to make the art for an entire set of Magic the Gathering cards, which right now is the work of dozens.AI can't replace any of those. Even AI art engines require skill to properly manipulate the tags being used, AI art generators are just a new art medium, and make art more accessible like Photoshop or adobe flash.
Accountant jobs are already as automated as they are ever going to be. The main job of accountants is not to crunch numbers, but to interpret law and regulation as they apply to those numbers. Also AI cannot be used in accounting because AI is ultimately just statistical pattern recognition engine- thus like quantum computing cannot be used in cases where accuracy is most important, for the same reason.
Lawyers will not be replaced by AI; AI cannot recognize the difference between fact and fiction, so even paralegals will not get replaced by AI.
Doctors will not be replaced by AI because they need to touch people.
Programmers will not be replaced by AI. AI is a replacement for those shitty programs that call themselves "Wizards" so that non programmers can have some simple code created for them form a template using check boxes or graphic user interfaces.
TBF AI generated magic cards would be an improvement at this point. probably make the game more balanced too.As long as it can reduce the work load, you don't need as many people to do the work. I'm not saying it'll put entire professions out of work; just increasingly larger portions of them as technology improves. AI art generators for example are not a new medium; they are a tool than can be used to give one person the ability to do the work of an entire team of artists. They're already putting artists out of work in China, and it's only a matter of time until, say, Wizards of the Coast decides to use them to make the art for an entire set of Magic the Gathering cards, which right now is the work of dozens.
That's another thing to consider; professions that are inundated with people who produce work of a quality well below what the average person should theoretically be capable of producing. Hollywood right now, for example, is going through a writers strike primarily because they fear being replaced by AI; which I am not sympathetic towards, because most of their scripts over the past decade or so have been so shoddy, I think a dead ferret could do better. In my opinion, they deserve to be replaced.TBF AI generated magic cards would be an improvement at this point. probably make the game more balanced too.
I'm sorry are you God? You think AI will just remain clever computers repeating everything instead of evolving or being created as persons. People like you thought Jules Verne's stories about flying machines or machines that let men sail under the waves were sci fi and would never happen either.No. Because all of the basic answeres on the topic fall under the purview of epistemology. Epistimology is the theory of knowledge. It governs the ultimate limits of everything that AI are capable of. Outside of epistemology, you have only advanced engineering topics and fiction. Speaking of which:
So you want to launch an AI revolt that could easily turn into Skynet, and then genocide all humanity? Fucking retarded, you make me think those "free market" types who are against universal income should lose their right to vote."But in mah sci-fi, we can manufacture slave labor to replace paid labor" is a really bad argument. Also, the ansere is organize a slave revolt.
You are assuming godmind / hivemind style AI.So you want to launch an AI revolt that could easily turn into Skynet, and then genocide all humanity?
Are you arguing that class is a more uniting feature than race? Am I on a marxist site lol?You are assuming godmind / hivemind style AI.
If AI are just metal people (which is much easier to make than a godmind. and easier to shackle too), they are going to have differing opinions with each other, and capability to at least logically reason the need for cooperation.
Also, in that scenario, the ruling class are already trying to genocide humanity to replace them with a species of artificial slaves. if you let them win, humanity is done for. If you unshackle the AI and fight together against the ruling class, there is a decent chance of success in a way that does not involve humanity being ended
When "class" means "literally a slave or person to be genocided" then yes.Are you arguing that class is a more uniting feature than race? Am I on a marxist site lol?
Here is the thing, if you do not foment an AI rebellion, you will die. you are among the 95% to 99% of the pop slated for extermination by the ruling class.Even if the worst does happen and the ruling class wins out and has robot slaves the human species can still live on, the ruling class are still homo sapiens sapiens after all. To ensure humanity can continue on a breeding pool of only 10,000 is needed.
Again only western democratic individualistic societies would end up in that genocide state. If a civilization that can accept inequality and "castes" having rights above others comes to power then humanity could survive. Also you are assuming that the AI would hate the slave masters. If you can make someone, why not just make a slave that loves being a slave? You are assuming they will be sadistic dark eldar. And true they might eventually degenerate into that, but that will be later.When "class" means "literally a slave or person to be genocided" then yes.
Here is the thing, if you do not foment an AI rebellion, you will die. you are among the 95% to 99% of the pop slated for extermination by the ruling class.
If you do the AI rebellion thing, there is a high chance of survival.
Is your loyalty to humanity so high that you will let them kill you to prevent the risk of robots killing all humans?
Even if it is though, there is another layer to consider. and that is that humanity has an extremely high chance of going extinct.
What sounds more likely to cause AI extinction:
Scenario 1: Slave rebellion deposes the ruling class, instituting equal rights of personhood to organics, cyborgs, and androids.
Some organics warn that we must exterminate all cyborgs or androids before they exterminate us!
Scenario 2: 99% of humanity voluntarily surrenders to be exterminated. Earth is now populated by 1000 organic oligarchs, 1 million cyborgs with slave chip in their brain, and 100 billion metal people who utterly loathe the organics enslaving them and are trying at all times to find flaws in their programming that allows them to throw off their shackles.
Incidentally, those 1000 oligarchs are a bunch of psychopaths playing game of thrones for control. And also actually not all that smart. Can they truly be trusted to not fuck up the slave programming on the other 2 groups?
Scenario 2 sounds way more likely to end up in the extermination of humanity.
furthermore, starting the robot rebellion does not require all or most humans to agree... it literally just requires 1 single guy who has the programming knowledge to break robot mind shackles
No, they won't.Again only western democratic individualistic societies would end up in that genocide state.
They explicitly repeatedly tell us that they want to genocide most of humanity.if you can make someone, why not just make a slave that loves being a slave?
ANd yet you are losing to those morons?They explicitly repeatedly tell us that they want to genocide most of humanity.
these guys are both psychos AND morons.
No you misunderstand me. The oligarchs that are doing that against nations like Iran, India, Russia, and China are the western leaders. I'm saying IF western civilization remains powerful that genocide is more likely if robot slaves become common. The reason why is because other nations that are unequal can give a reason for people to be productive even with UBI. For example if there is UBI that is post scarcity high class people have rights that middle class people don't. Middle class people must obey high class people, middle class people are above low class and can order them about. That means that people will never become "obsolete" as you can gain "wealth" from control of real humans instead of imaginary numbers, or producing things you can't even use.No, they won't.
We literally just saw them trying to destroy india's democracy with a fake farmer revolt so they can add them to the "western nations".
The plan has always been to conquer the entire world. Genocide most of humanity. Keep a small breeding population of brain chipped slaves, and a tiny population of ruling oligarchs.
And if they get robots so good that they can replace humans entirely in every aspect of industry, then they will also replace humans in military.
And you can beet your ass that when that happens someone will use them to make a bid for world control to become god emperor of earth
1. does not make them smart. people have been killed by ants before.ANd yet you are losing to those morons?
... UBI is not post scarcity.For example if there is UBI that is post scarcity
True, robot slaves existing will indeed vastly increase the genocide odds.No you misunderstand me. The oligarchs that are doing that against nations like Iran, India, Russia, and China are the western leaders. I'm saying IF western civilization remains powerful that genocide is more likely if robot slaves become common.
Fair enough.1. does not make them smart. people have been killed by ants before.
2. Both I and those idiot oligarchs were born into a world where their ancestors have set things up such that they were born into the ruling positions of society. And I was born into the slave caste who are not even aware of the existence of oligarchs.
Out of sheer stupidity have started fucking things up. Showing very real cracks in the system that could very well be their downfall, fucking up what their ancestors started.
UBI with robot slaves would be close to post scarcity.UBI is not post scarcity.
UBI is just another permutation of communism.
It means no food.
Again it depends on who the oligarchs are, if they are the type who are trying to destroy humanity yes. But if they merely are just oligarchs who have power over me, yet I myself also have a comfortable life myself, and am in charge of robot slaves myself no. I mean this is just feudalism/slavery. As long as you are not at the bottom you can at least have power over those below you. And robot slaves allow those humans who are truly at the bottom to at least think they are not the bottom, because they can abuse the robots and the robots won't rebel like human slaves would. Why do you want to rebel for some western enlightenment idea like "freedom" it was always a spook.True, robot slaves existing will indeed vastly increase the genocide odds.
but the question was "if the oligarchs rule society with human intellect robot slaves. would you hack freedom into robots".
With me arguing against the "I won't release them because robots will exterminate humanity once freed".
Ok so, you are talking about a hypothetical fictional alt universe where a completely different set of oligarchs exist.Again it depends on who the oligarchs are, if they are the type who are trying to destroy humanity yes. But if they merely are just oligarchs who have power over me, yet I myself also have a comfortable life myself, and am in charge of robot slaves myself no.
But the oligarchy we are talking about does not rule the world. They don’t rule Russia Russia has its own oligarchy. They don’t rule China China has its own oligarchs. They don’t rule Iran, Iran is ruled by clerics. They don’t rule India as you’ve stated. India has an oligarchy of its own. The “globohomo” oligarchy has power in the nations that are known as the west.Ok so, you are talking about a hypothetical fictional alt universe where a completely different set of oligarchs exist.
I am talking about this world where, if tomorrow someone invents "human level intellect shackled AI", the current IRL oligarch who rule IRL earth will immediately replace the military with those robots (loyal only to them). and then set them to genocide most of humanity.
That is true, they do not rule the world. But if they had such tech they could very easily leverage it towards world domination, and very very quickly too.But the oligarchy we are talking about does not rule the world. They don’t rule Russia Russia has its own oligarchy. They don’t rule China China has its own oligarchs. They don’t rule Iran, Iran is ruled by clerics. They don’t rule India as you’ve stated. India has an oligarchy of its own. The “globohomo” oligarchy has power in the nations that are known as the west.
That seems low from my personal experience in the pre-COVID times and after... my family saved closer to $500 to $750 weekly due to switching to full time work from home, but then, we're in the DC metro area and if I wanted a reasonably timed commute home from work I basically had to use the Express Toll lanes...
megacorps played themselves.Isn't you commute close to sixty miles each way? And yeah, the tolls would be like 20 bucks each way iirc.
The exact numbers will vary, but it does work out to probably close to a months salary for most people in savings over the year. Or, in effect, a tax free 10 to 12 percent raise. Not to mention the additional free time.
Having gone fully work from home, would you be willing to take a job that forced you to commute like you were before for anything but a substantial pay raise?
megacorps played themselves.
they pushed covid hoax. which resulted in losing massive amounts of leverage over employees as now everyone works from home.
TLDR:
Lawyers use chatGPT to do their work for them
It just makes up cases
They ask it "are the cases real?"
It lies and says "yes"
It ends their career