No, there isn't. Particularly if it doesn't actually involve having sex with anyone else. I already went over all of this in another thread, so it's kind of pointless rehashing it again.
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mrttao
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those are all plausible causes. probably contributing factors to the overall scenario
King Arts
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So you are saying prostitution bad but camgirl good?
Again I’m sorry but I don’t remember what happened in the previous thread.
LordsFire
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X is not just an unapologetic believer in... I'll say 'free love' for lack of a better term, though I'm not sure if it's quite accurate, he thinks that 'prudes' should be apologetic for having moral standards like abstinence until marriage.
I'm saying that there's a difference between the two.
So read it. We're off-topic and this is just repeating what was already discussed.
No, I'm just saying you shouldn't be trying to force these "moral standards" on others who do not share them. You should have a re-read through that thread, too.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I'm saying that there's a difference between the two.
So read it. We're off-topic and this is just repeating what was already discussed.
I don't need to force my moral standards on other people. Moral law is just like the laws of physics, in that you suffer the negative consequences of your actions whether you like it or not.
Jump off the roof, feel the pain of hitting the ground.
Constantly lie to everyone you know, feel the pain of having no trusting intimate relationships.
Sleep around, feel the pain of taking what should be precious and exclusive, and frittering it away cheaply until it's withered and wasted.
Lying to people about the negative consequences of promiscuity does them no favors. Telling them unpleasant truths may not be well-received, but it's definitely the better path.
Part of how we get degenerates like Tate, is by making such lies the accepted wisdom of an entire culture.
And the main reason there are "negative consequences" are due to prudes being assholes and forcing their morals on other people. Like I already said in that other thread.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
And you were as wrong then as you are now.
A hundred years ago, you could have made arguments about social shunning or whatever, but we live in a day and age where people get mocked for being virgins more often than the other way around. Where 'pride in sexuality' gets its own month out of the year, and the lockdowns shut down every church they thought they could, but many states left gay bars open, because their sexual activities were considered more sacred.
The idea that people are routinely socially sidelined and maligned to the point of it causing serious destruction to their life because of promiscuity is transparent nonsense. Sure, if you grew up in an insular religious community, you might get kicked out or become the black sheep for it, but that's a tiny percentage of people.
Conversely, the effects of single-parent households are incredibly well-known. Higher propensity towards crime, substance abuse, failure to form a stable relationship oneself, poorer academic performance, job retention, etc, etc.
And being more likely to grow up with only one parent in the house is just one of the negative consequences of promiscuity.
You can claim the negative effects are just the results of 'prudes being mean' all you want, but reality disagrees with you, and blatantly so.
mrttao
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Let us pretend for a second that you are right. (you are not, but let us pretend you are.)
So what? So what if this is the fault of so called "prudes" and "assholes"?
If you are warned that walking at night in a bad neighborhood will get you robbed and/or stabbed and/or raped by a drug addict.
Will you argue "well this is the fault of the criminal, so we should not advise people to not walk there at night"?
Yes it is absolutely the criminals fault, so what?
regardless of who is at fault, the advice is factually correct and the negative results are real.
Or how about "look carefully both ways before crossing the street even on a crosswalk with a green light".
If a car runs you over while you are crossing at a crosswalk at a green light, he is at fault legally.
How is this legal fault protecting you from dying or becoming a cripple from being run over?
The advice is good and factually correct.
Your assertion that the advice is wrong is utterly nonsensical.
You are simply unhappy with how reality is.
And therefore advocate we should give people bad and dangerous advice based on what you think reality should be rather than what reality actually is
Terthna
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Except in your example, it's the prudes and assholes who are the ones doing the robbing, stabbing, and raping; so it's less a warning than a threat.
StormEagle
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This is my admittedly limited understanding of what might be going on there.
So it’s kinda a chicken or the egg problem. Are people getting fat because of to much estrogen, or are they producing to much estrogen because they’re getting fat.
Estrogen, particularly Estrone, is produced naturally in visceral fat layers. That is, the fat layers between organs and bones. Because of this, people with higher levels of visceral fat produce more estrogen.
More estrogen, especially in males but also in females, can lead to more fat retention. Which can quickly devolve into a feedback loop until the body reaches some form of homeostasis.
This isn’t as much of a problem for women, as they naturally have higher concentrations of estrone anyways. However, there is also a theory that higher levels of estrogen in a developing girl can lead to early onset puberty. Which can come with its own series of health issues. I believe higher risks of breast cancer is one of them, but I won’t absolutely swear to that being true.
For men, it’s disastrous. Higher levels of estrogen, especially in a boy going through puberty, can lead to myriad health issues. Such as gynecomastia and epiphyseal closure. In older men, it leads to outright ED, infertility, and heightens the risks of certain cancers developing.
Osteoporosis also becomes more likely, along with general feelings of exhaustion, loss of hair, hot flashes, trouble focusing, and making it harder to gain or keep muscle mass. So kind of a male menopause.
Environmental factors, poor diet, and lack of exercise are likely the main culprits to the rise in estrogen…And maybe the introduction of birth control, which I’m given to understand most city water systems don’t really filter. So it gets into the water supply eventually. How much difference that one makes, I couldn’t honestly tell you.
Like I said, I’m not an expert on this stuff. This is more just shit I’ve gleaned of the internet and gym bros talking about their next cycle.
mrttao
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You are assuming only the perpetrator of harm would be doing warnings.
The ones who would warn you are either nice prudes, or fellow victims of prudes.
The assholes won't warn you, they will let you bumble into danger and then laugh at you when you are harmed.
mrttao
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Could be both, which makes it a negative feedback loop / death spiral
Terthna
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A danger that the prudish assholes either fabricate, or outright manufacture to get you to behave in a way that is pleasing to them.
Bear Ribs
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That's right. Chlamydia is entirely the fabrication of prudish assholes who want to keep you from having fun. So are herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, AIDs, and pubic crabs.
Women also wouldn't get unwanted pregnancies if prudish assholes didn't exist, that danger is purely manufactured to force women to behave in a way pleasing to them. Why they want teenage girls pregnant and dropping out of high school isn't clear but, obviously, they do else those negative consequences wouldn't exist.
That feeling of awful violation a woman has from being raped? All the fabrication of prudish assholes who want to force people to not be rapists, without them everybody would rape and be raped and be happy about it.
That miserable sensation that comes from NTR? Prudish assholes made you feel that way, without them a guy coming home from work to find the mailman plowing his wife while she moans about how much better the mailman's dick feels would just give the mailman a thumbs-up before heading into the kitchen for a beer and sitting down the watch TV.
Doomsought
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People are creatures of habit. When you are promiscuous, you also training yourself to continue to be promiscuous through classical conditioning. You are also trianing yourself to stop being able to love, because love is a form of loyalty, ever time you leave someone after sex you are training yourself to ignore that instinct.
Terthna
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The heck are you going on about? We're talking about masturbation here.
mrttao
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You are mixing up the conversations. There have been several conversations running in parallel.
The one you are replying to is mainly an argument that has been going on between lordsfire and captain X
LordsFire & a few others have been saying that hookup culture is harmful to women. And that promiscuity / high body count / cam-whoring is terrrible for their wellbeing and their future. And that women should be warned about those dangers and that they should not engage in such self destructive behavior.
Captain X argues that there is nothing wrong with cam whoring and high body counts. The only so called negative consequences are artificially thrust upon those poor innocent women by "prudish assholes". Who bully those pure innocent eprostitutes. That teaching women that those things are bad is forcing your (wrong) morality on them.
I butted into their argument with ok so lets pretend that the harm of promiscuity is really all caused by prudish assholes as captain X says... that does not make the warnings any less true. Regardless of whose fault it is.
This confused you since I also started a parallel argument about chronic masturbation and groomers
Terthna
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Ah, fair enough. To state the position I was trying to argue more clearly, I do not think that there is anything wrong with masturbation (assuming you don't go overboard; as anything is bad when done to excess).
Only in your opinion.
So, are you now claiming all these promiscuous people who mock people for being virgins are the ones socially maligning people for posing nude or doing other sex work?