A couple of Tactical Marine Squad vs Brotherhood of Steel (Fallout 4)

What are you referring to exactly?

That time when he hopped around from ship to ship with a nuke?

And who is talking about invincibility?

I am talking about durability.
The time in both Halo 3 where he jumped off an orbital platform and landed in Kenya and in Halo 4 where he was pulled in via a gravity well to Requiem while the Dawn was breaking up.

Ideal durability and what a person can endure are two very different things, you can argue that Chief can survive that fall reasonably and you can argue that he is definitely able to take more than the average joe but the fact remains a single bullet to the head will kill him as would anything else.

Back on topic the Marines are the same I won't deny they are stronger than fallout humans under most circumstances but that doesn't mean the ideal situation is the norm as surving orbital drops isn't the same as taking a nuke to the face.
 
Ideal durability and what a person can endure are two very different things, you can argue that Chief can survive that fall reasonably and you can argue that he is definitely able to take more than the average joe but the fact remains a single bullet to the head will kill him as would anything else.
That might depend on the bullet in question because Spartan bones are replaced with ceramic indestructible material stuff.
 
That might depend on the bullet in question because Spartan bones are replaced with ceramic indestructible material stuff.
Its not really indestructible just almost. Atriox breaks Douglas bones so its just another 343 nerf retcon to Spartan's

:(
 
Its not really indestructible just almost. Atriox breaks Douglas bones so its just another 343 nerf retcon to Spartan's

:(
Of course nothing is really indestructible, but I wouldn't think a 9mm to the head would take a spartan out.
 
Ah but you see it is such an unexpected tactic that it'd be guaranteed to succeed! Where as other wise the Brothers would be expecting heavy weapons to be launch from in front of them not above from the skys

I'd personally put it at least equivalent to the Mojave Chapter in strength which
Brotherhood of Steel mission holotape
+6 Dead Paladins from Holotapes

+3 Paladins from Battle of Hoover Dam

+4 Rogue Paladins from Veronica quest

+4 Paladins Scripted Patrol

+6-8ish Paladins or Knights in bunker

+Veronica and Elder (Not Paladins but I'm throwing them in to be fair since they're fighters)

27-25 BOS members prior to battle at Helios where they had double numbers which would put their numbers at 50-54 Strong not including Scribes or Civilians.

It'd be reasonable fair to say that the East Coast expedition which recruits outsiders would have a larger force and is led by someone from the Maxson lineage. But I can't see any evidence to support an argument of more than double Power Armored Knights/Paladins (100-108) and this is being very generous because it is scaling from the Mojave Chapter and not counting the actual numbers on the Prydwen ship.

Yeah I always generalized the BoS as maybe being a Battalion in strength or something. The Prydwen has room for like twenty plus Vertibirds so like ten per chopper would be about two hundred.

Your guesstimations of a 100 or so Paladins... we could just multiply the number by three or four to include Scribes, Knights and Initiates so about 300-400 total? That could be a plausible enough number for the Eastern Brotherhood to think it has to relatively secure the Commonwealth area.
 
I will be going through probably a thousand feats to add to the Space Marine part of this.
Let's just say it probably won't help either side but add context and actual backup facts
 
For the spacemarine durability.
We have Eldar shurikans embedding into ot instead of tearing right through.
A fusillade of bright blasts and blurring discs filled the stairwell. Gesart recognized the shuriken catapult fire amongst the laser shots. He leaned over the railing and unleashed a hail of fire from his storm bolter, the explosive ammunition ripping a trail of splintering metal across the landing below. Slender shapes darted from the shadows and he was engulfed by a hail of razor-sharp projectiles. Pushing himself back, he glanced down and his armor and saw a row of barbed discs embedded across his chest pauldron.

Page 612 of The Rewards of Tolerance by Gav Thorpe from the Space Marine collection.

We know Tau Pulse rifles en mass can harm chaos astatrtes, and even severely hurt a normal astartes.
Depending on how many. The first was mass volleys and the second was a large amount.
And the Tau seem to think it only works woth mass fire.
There! Two masked men in golden robes, with an Imperial Army-issue rocket launcher primed and ready to fire. He yelled a warning as the gunner pressed the launch trigger.

The rocket streaked towards Forrix.

The Iron Warrior saw it coming. He braced and bent into the incoming ordnance with a defiant roar.

The warhead impacted dead centre on his shoulder guard, exploding on impact with a percussive hammer blow. Ahriman threw an enclosing kine barrier around Forrix. A storm of razored fragments engulfed the Iron Warrior, but remained trapped within Ahriman’s psychic shield.

Here they take an army issue rocket launcher.
Though, this could be 30k as it mentions iron warriors and Thousand sons doing good and nit chaos things

Only Mingzhou kept some measure of in her head. 'He's over twenty-five hundred kilometers away.' she assured them. 'Someone with the best lasrifle on Castellax couldn't pick off a target from that range. We have to get out of here before he can close the distance.'

As she spoke, Algol raised his arm, the graceless bulk of a bolter clenched in his fist. Without pause or hesitation, the Space Marine fired. From the other side of the tractor, Deacon screamed and fell, his chest ripped to splinters by the bolter's explosive shell.

...before Algol fired again, the legionary's shots smashing into the engine block [of the tractor].

...Almost casually, the Iron Warrior adjusted his grip on the bolter, tilting the barrel downwards ever so slightly.

...The bolter cracked again. Taofang cried out as he watched Mingzhou's body jerk up and strike the underside of the tractor. Her body slumped back against the side of the ferrocrete paving, blood streaming from her shattered flesh. Instead of closing upon her and coming within the range of the sniper's rifle, the Iron Warrior had fired his shot into the floor several meters in front of the tractor, deflecting his shot so that it arced beneath the vehicle and struck the woman hidden there.

Pages 345 and 346 of Siege of Castellax.

And here we have 2.5km shot by a Iron Warrior. One handed.
So uh, range wise? The BoS will not win.

And I even doubt the plasma or the lasers would be able to disintegrate astartes based off this quote.

It made Heroditus ashamed the way the generator had been adjusted, its function deliberately violated to transform it from a source of clean, sustaining air to a purveyor of death. Instead of removing the toxins from the air, the generator was now pumping them into it, a vicious cocktail of proticide that would bond with its victims on a molecular level, rendering the protons within the atoms unstable. Death would be almost instant and within an hour, even the evidence of a corpse would be obliterated as the body reduced itself to a sort of protean goo.
pgs. 210 and 211 of Siege of Castellax
There were too many orks to simply poison into extermination and, even if they could, there were the Iron Warriors themselves to consider. Against a normal human, the poison was invariably lethal, but the holy Adeptus Astartes and their fallen kin were a different matter. Proticide had proven incapable of defiling the enhanced genetics of a Space Marine, the advanced healing and regenerative properties of their cells nullifying the poison almost instantaneously. The best that exposure could inflict on an Iron Warrior would be a sensation of nausea.
pg. 211 of Siege of Castellax
Of course this is about a poison so diffrent methods.

Let's not even get into the speed these guys have.
 
Assume a couple of Tactical Marine Squads are deployed in the Commonwealth wasteland to take out the Brotherhood of Steel. Assume the Tactical Marine Squads operate out of a Thunderhawk in which they have also gear to equip themselves with things like jump packs if needed. The squad also has support from four heavy weapon carrying Devastators + a Techmarine + Apothecary + a single Librarian + three scouts.

Can this force of Space Marines take out the force the Brotherhood of Steel had brought to Commonwealth wasteland?

Probably not.

The reason comes down to logistics and numbers. The loss of one Tactical Marine would effectively mean a drop in 25% of the fighting capability of the main squad. The loss of a single scout would drop intelligence dropping from the scout unit by ~33%. They could reduce the damage by working with a local group and acting as a powerful strike group, but they simply lack the numbers and the endurance to take on an organization that we know in F3 to have had at least 95 named combatants for the BoS and at least 30 or so support. We can probably guess that they had a strength of a company by F3. The size of the deployment in F4 suggests vast growth though and I can't imagine that they'd send something like that airship without significant resource investment.

My guess is that we're probably looking at maybe a full company for the BoS. Including scouts and the like. So a total of 288 combatants and probably about 72 Paladins. So about 10-18 squads, depending on how they break it up. That's a lot of people for four guys to fight. Especially when the BoS is going to have the advantage in logistics, intelligence, and support.

In gameplay, FO is pretty notorious on the inconsistency of how well the armor protects against varying high caliber rounds.

Fallout 3 has a rookie in T-45 solo the Pitt's Raiders and was considered a Juggernaut despite access to 7.62/.308 ammunition in vast quantities.

Previously retconned material stated that FO Power Armor could allow a single user to solo a village/town of Chinese Soldiers who would at least be platoon strength with 7.62 and above ammunition which would be impossible to avoid getting tagged.

New Vegas states that NCR Troopers were able to slaughter half a chapter but on the other hand the courier states even the lense of T-51 power armor is bulletproof.


So honestly we have no idea how good they are against ballistics but the implications is supposed to be VERY good other wise the Chinese need not invent a Gauss Rifle to deal with the America Power Armor just use a good old .308 Hunting Rifle.


One thing is inarguable tho, Fallout Power armors resistance to energy projectiles is incredibly ridiculous that pretty much no energy weapon short of a lascannon is putting a user down.

But they're fighting Marines who use ballistics so bad match up for the Brotherhood lol

Lore makes it very clear that the armor basically ignores 2.5kj and below. The fact is that they can probably resist considerably more, probably something on par with 4-5 kilojoules and still provide ample protection to the user, but probably at the risk of damage to the armor itself. And really, having immunity to 2.5 kj weapons is a pretty big boon on the battlefield.

In regards to laser weapons, it takes ~3 gigajoules to vaporize a human. That's rather excessive, although the games do support considerable levels of vaporization (or disintegration), but it really doesn't make much sense. That's also overkill. A fraction of that energy is probably more than enough to blow someone apart, even if you vaporize a significant amount of them. And those laser weapons would be a far bigger technological advantage than the power armor itself. Most probably, full vaporization of a target is from one of two factors.

1) Longer dwell time on a target.
2) Some sort of malfunction (ie, a critical hit) that causes the cell to discharge all (or most) of its stored energy at once.

We might be able to get a rough idea of how powerful these fuel cells are by looking at the Highwayman. If I'm correct, I believe 1 horsepower is equal to about 735 j/s. It reaches up to 800 hp, so that's approximately 588 megawatts. I sincerely doubt it could travel at that full speed the entire time, but if it can hold that even for say, 10 seconds, that's 5.88 gigawatts. So it certainly seems within the realm of possibility that the microfusion cells can hold that much energy. That said, I just don't think that these people are hurling 3 gigawatts around on the battlefield willy-nilly. Honstly, 30 megawatts is probably the average yield of the laser rifles, with the "critical hits" being a rare, random discharge that deposits 100x the output in one shot, for 2-3 gigawatts of energy, which would effectively vaporize a human target or leave so little left that wasn't vaporized, it wouldn't really matter.

Either way, that shot would probably fuck up a Space Marine (read: kill), but it's basically a random surge on the part of the hardware, so it can't really be depended upon for use in battle. You can probably count on it killing 1, maybe 2 members of the marine squad. Which is still 25-50% of their firepower, but still.

Also, not sure I'd be fully amped to be the guys using gyrojet bullets, given the build-up time you'd need for that and the high likelihood of urban combat. I expect that Astartes use better fuel for their bullets, but you need room for the fuel AND the explosive round. They're basically flying grenades with some good penetrating power. Which isn't anything to scoff at, but there's a chance those things won't instantly penetrate BoS armor. Of course, I doubt BoS armor will laugh it off, seeing as something akin to a frag grenade just exploded on their armor.
 
Probably not.

The reason comes down to logistics and numbers. The loss of one Tactical Marine would effectively mean a drop in 25% of the fighting capability of the main squad. The loss of a single scout would drop intelligence dropping from the scout unit by ~33%. They could reduce the damage by working with a local group and acting as a powerful strike group, but they simply lack the numbers and the endurance to take on an organization that we know in F3 to have had at least 95 named combatants for the BoS and at least 30 or so support. We can probably guess that they had a strength of a company by F3. The size of the deployment in F4 suggests vast growth though and I can't imagine that they'd send something like that airship without significant resource investment.

My guess is that we're probably looking at maybe a full company for the BoS. Including scouts and the like. So a total of 288 combatants and probably about 72 Paladins. So about 10-18 squads, depending on how they break it up. That's a lot of people for four guys to fight. Especially when the BoS is going to have the advantage in logistics, intelligence, and support.



Lore makes it very clear that the armor basically ignores 2.5kj and below. The fact is that they can probably resist considerably more, probably something on par with 4-5 kilojoules and still provide ample protection to the user, but probably at the risk of damage to the armor itself. And really, having immunity to 2.5 kj weapons is a pretty big boon on the battlefield.

In regards to laser weapons, it takes ~3 gigajoules to vaporize a human. That's rather excessive, although the games do support considerable levels of vaporization (or disintegration), but it really doesn't make much sense. That's also overkill. A fraction of that energy is probably more than enough to blow someone apart, even if you vaporize a significant amount of them. And those laser weapons would be a far bigger technological advantage than the power armor itself. Most probably, full vaporization of a target is from one of two factors.

1) Longer dwell time on a target.
2) Some sort of malfunction (ie, a critical hit) that causes the cell to discharge all (or most) of its stored energy at once.

We might be able to get a rough idea of how powerful these fuel cells are by looking at the Highwayman. If I'm correct, I believe 1 horsepower is equal to about 735 j/s. It reaches up to 800 hp, so that's approximately 588 megawatts. I sincerely doubt it could travel at that full speed the entire time, but if it can hold that even for say, 10 seconds, that's 5.88 gigawatts. So it certainly seems within the realm of possibility that the microfusion cells can hold that much energy. That said, I just don't think that these people are hurling 3 gigawatts around on the battlefield willy-nilly. Honstly, 30 megawatts is probably the average yield of the laser rifles, with the "critical hits" being a rare, random discharge that deposits 100x the output in one shot, for 2-3 gigawatts of energy, which would effectively vaporize a human target or leave so little left that wasn't vaporized, it wouldn't really matter.

Either way, that shot would probably fuck up a Space Marine (read: kill), but it's basically a random surge on the part of the hardware, so it can't really be depended upon for use in battle. You can probably count on it killing 1, maybe 2 members of the marine squad. Which is still 25-50% of their firepower, but still.

Also, not sure I'd be fully amped to be the guys using gyrojet bullets, given the build-up time you'd need for that and the high likelihood of urban combat. I expect that Astartes use better fuel for their bullets, but you need room for the fuel AND the explosive round. They're basically flying grenades with some good penetrating power. Which isn't anything to scoff at, but there's a chance those things won't instantly penetrate BoS armor. Of course, I doubt BoS armor will laugh it off, seeing as something akin to a frag grenade just exploded on their armor.
Bolters are able to penetrate things much more durable then that of the FO PA.
Thiugh, I will have to go through and pull out the calcs from SB of durability
And we both know how insane those can be.
 
Probably not.

The reason comes down to logistics and numbers. The loss of one Tactical Marine would effectively mean a drop in 25% of the fighting capability of the main squad. The loss of a single scout would drop intelligence dropping from the scout unit by ~33%. They could reduce the damage by working with a local group and acting as a powerful strike group, but they simply lack the numbers and the endurance to take on an organization that we know in F3 to have had at least 95 named combatants for the BoS and at least 30 or so support. We can probably guess that they had a strength of a company by F3. The size of the deployment in F4 suggests vast growth though and I can't imagine that they'd send something like that airship without significant resource investment.

My guess is that we're probably looking at maybe a full company for the BoS. Including scouts and the like. So a total of 288 combatants and probably about 72 Paladins. So about 10-18 squads, depending on how they break it up. That's a lot of people for four guys to fight. Especially when the BoS is going to have the advantage in logistics, intelligence, and support.



Lore makes it very clear that the armor basically ignores 2.5kj and below. The fact is that they can probably resist considerably more, probably something on par with 4-5 kilojoules and still provide ample protection to the user, but probably at the risk of damage to the armor itself. And really, having immunity to 2.5 kj weapons is a pretty big boon on the battlefield.

In regards to laser weapons, it takes ~3 gigajoules to vaporize a human. That's rather excessive, although the games do support considerable levels of vaporization (or disintegration), but it really doesn't make much sense. That's also overkill. A fraction of that energy is probably more than enough to blow someone apart, even if you vaporize a significant amount of them. And those laser weapons would be a far bigger technological advantage than the power armor itself. Most probably, full vaporization of a target is from one of two factors.

1) Longer dwell time on a target.
2) Some sort of malfunction (ie, a critical hit) that causes the cell to discharge all (or most) of its stored energy at once.

We might be able to get a rough idea of how powerful these fuel cells are by looking at the Highwayman. If I'm correct, I believe 1 horsepower is equal to about 735 j/s. It reaches up to 800 hp, so that's approximately 588 megawatts. I sincerely doubt it could travel at that full speed the entire time, but if it can hold that even for say, 10 seconds, that's 5.88 gigawatts. So it certainly seems within the realm of possibility that the microfusion cells can hold that much energy. That said, I just don't think that these people are hurling 3 gigawatts around on the battlefield willy-nilly. Honstly, 30 megawatts is probably the average yield of the laser rifles, with the "critical hits" being a rare, random discharge that deposits 100x the output in one shot, for 2-3 gigawatts of energy, which would effectively vaporize a human target or leave so little left that wasn't vaporized, it wouldn't really matter.

Either way, that shot would probably fuck up a Space Marine (read: kill), but it's basically a random surge on the part of the hardware, so it can't really be depended upon for use in battle. You can probably count on it killing 1, maybe 2 members of the marine squad. Which is still 25-50% of their firepower, but still.

Also, not sure I'd be fully amped to be the guys using gyrojet bullets, given the build-up time you'd need for that and the high likelihood of urban combat. I expect that Astartes use better fuel for their bullets, but you need room for the fuel AND the explosive round. They're basically flying grenades with some good penetrating power. Which isn't anything to scoff at, but there's a chance those things won't instantly penetrate BoS armor. Of course, I doubt BoS armor will laugh it off, seeing as something akin to a frag grenade just exploded on their armor.
Irc we have confirmed statements from two sources that it's effects are immediate and consistent, one from the Fallout RPG that laser disintegration from the Assaultron is upon contact and another from the Tesla Cannon that is upon contact.


While both are considered on the higher end of weapons it should mean the laser rifle is still in the triple digit megajoules as even laser pistols are rated in the megawatts and non military lasers can cause dismemberment with a single bolt.

I see FO laser rifles just below 40k plasma weapons which isn't too far fetched since we know there's canonically stated weapon yield of at least two gigawatts from the mass produced Assaultron. So Military grade laser rifles being in the triple digit megajoules isn't unsupported even if you doubted the various sources of ashing and scripted scenes.
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Jules: "{725}{}{Pistols…'cept they shoot LIGHT. Now, Reno's a city o' lights, but the light THOSE pistols shine can cut a man in two... *swuppp*... (Jules makes slicing motion.) Makes a clean burn 'tween the two halves, it does.}"
The Chosen One: "{726}{}{They shoot light? Do they call the pistols 'laser pistols?'}"
Jules: "{735}{}{Well, uh, I don't really know… I ain't sure what you're talking about. But take my word for it: don't go asking the Salvatores about those pistols. They have this twitchy habit a killing people who're curious.}"
The Chosen One: "{736}{}{By 'laser pistols,' Jules, I mean pistols that emit beams of coherent light. A beam of sufficient wattage - say, several megawatts - could do considerable damage if focused on a target for a few seconds, producing the effect you've described.}"
I told him to put it down. He didn't. I told him it was an order. He didn't respond. We drew our weapons again and I ordered once more. He stood there and I told my men to approach.

As they surrounded him, some kind of lightning bolt shot from that thing. Turned Feldt into ash. We covered the area in bullets, but when the smoke cleared, the son of a bitch was gone. He couldn't go one circuit without tripping over his shoelaces, but now he can disappear in a flash?
Mary Jane: We're finally home.

Lily: You think the Gunners will let us in?

Mary Jane: By the looks of those laser pistols, probably not.

Lily: On the flip side, they'd probably help us with the cremation. Maybe I should ask them for help.
Non Military grade lasers not meant for combat do this.

I begged them to leave before the robots got here. They laughed and said they'd take care of the robots, it's me they wanted. Then came the familiar rattle of a Protectron. That got their attention. I soon heard laughter, cursing, and screaming down the hall. I opened the door and stepped outside. A couple of the workers burst around the corner screaming for help. A red laser lashed out from down the hall and severed Tim's right arm in two.

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Thw canon ending Cass lives so that scene is kinda out of it
There is atm no canon ending for New Vegas only alternate endings (This is also a companion quest btw). Regardless alternate endings/companion fates don't suddenly have fire power increase for no reasons.

Van Graffs are using a regular Laser Rifle and is consistent with the mechanics of the setting as laser rifles use more energy per shot than pistols which are already in the megawatts.
 
Lasers disintegrating people in fallout is more of a 'WTF that is not supposed to happen!' thing, like Plasma weapons goopifying people. So they're not 'really' outputting gigajoules of energy, its just RPG-game magic causing it.

The most common form of death from laser weapons is having holes burned in you, or being cut in half.
 
Lasers disintegrating people in fallout is more of a 'WTF that is not supposed to happen!' thing, like Plasma weapons goopifying people. So they're not 'really' outputting gigajoules of energy, its just RPG-game magic causing it.

The most common form of death from laser weapons is having holes burned in you, or being cut in half.
The only canonical sources I could find for energy weapons is disintegration and dismemberment.


In what instance does a laser weapon just burn a hole through someone, anywhere in the FO series?

Game play doesn't count because you can mag dump 308.cal ammo in someone's head and it doesn't immediately kill them
 
The only canonical sources I could find for energy weapons is disintegration and dismemberment.


In what instance does a laser weapon just burn a hole through someone, anywhere in the FO series?

Game play doesn't count because you can mag dump 308.cal ammo in someone's head and it doesn't immediately kill them
I mean seeing as an exceptionally good shot cuts people in half with a laser weapon, the logical conclusion is a less lucky hit will just carve a hole in them instead. I'd have to play FO1-2 again, but admittedly I don't remember the 'chunk of torso exploding' death animation playing with lasers, only with plasma.

I don't believe lasers actually could ash-ify people in FO1-2, that was a pulse-weapon thing...Oh and alien weapons.
 
I mean seeing as an exceptionally good shot cuts people in half with a laser weapon, the logical conclusion is a less lucky hit will just carve a hole in them instead. I'd have to play FO1-2 again, but admittedly I don't remember the 'chunk of torso exploding' death animation playing with lasers, only with plasma.

I don't believe lasers actually could ash-ify people in FO1-2, that was a pulse-weapon thing...Oh and alien weapons.
I find it hard to believe a less lucky hit would just carve a hole when a single protectron laser bolt not even made for combat could sever an arm clean through.


That's already above must small arms even with good shot placement, a Military grade laser rifle is gonna outright blow the lung out the body as Joe Biden says 😂
 
I find it hard to believe a less lucky hit would just carve a hole when a single protectron laser bolt not even made for combat could sever an arm clean through.


That's already above must small arms even with good shot placement, a Military grade laser rifle is gonna outright blow the lung out the body as Joe Biden says 😂
Depends on the weapon in question, it might be in bad condition, or the person could be wearing armor. Or just be comically durable because Fallout humans are hilarious and operate off of RPG mechanic logic, AKA the more you fight the tougher you actually get. Hence the Burned Man.

I can't speak for protectron feats, Bethesda cannot-into lore for any of their franchises. As if Fallout lasers weren't already weirdly weak even in the OG games. Canonically gangsters are terrified of the weapons as they can cut a man clean in two, yet some pretty crude armors can give significant protection against them, with power armor being functionally immune to them despite gauss rifles punching clean through.
 
Irc we have confirmed statements from two sources that it's effects are immediate and consistent, one from the Fallout RPG that laser disintegration from the Assaultron is upon contact and another from the Tesla Cannon that is upon contact.
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And yet you post evidence that contradicts your own position.

Jules: "{725}{}{Pistols…'cept they shoot LIGHT. Now, Reno's a city o' lights, but the light THOSE pistols shine can cut a man in two... *swuppp*... (Jules makes slicing motion.) Makes a clean burn 'tween the two halves, it does.}"
The Chosen One: "{726}{}{They shoot light? Do they call the pistols 'laser pistols?'}"
Jules: "{735}{}{Well, uh, I don't really know… I ain't sure what you're talking about. But take my word for it: don't go asking the Salvatores about those pistols. They have this twitchy habit a killing people who're curious.}"
The Chosen One: "{736}{}{By 'laser pistols,' Jules, I mean pistols that emit beams of coherent light. A beam of sufficient wattage - say, several megawatts - could do considerable damage if focused on a target for a few seconds, producing the effect you've described.}"

First, Jules speaks about laser pistols that can cut people in half. That is, as the Chosen One says later, fully consistent of lasers with several megawatts (which is, lower than what I estimated in the double digit megawatts). And of course, The Chosen One outright says (correctly) that if focused on a target for a few seconds, it could produce the effect he's describing. In that case, Jules was talking about slicing through flesh and bone with a laser.

That really just supports the argument that laser rifles and pistols aren't designed to vaporize people, but is rather a malfunction of the old weapon that they're using, because it hasn't been properly maintained. That fits well with the Highwayman being charged by 1-2 microfusion cells and it's supported by the occasional disintegration/vaporization of a target. It is a weapon malfunction, drawing in far more energy from the weapon than possible. And as I said, while that may end up killing one or even two of these Space Marines, that's not something any competent soldier is going to rely upon in battle.

In fact, that sort of malfunction is not desirable, because it puts considerable strain on the weapon and it is an unpredictable surprise that could end up hurting something that isn't the target.

While both are considered on the higher end of weapons it should mean the laser rifle is still in the triple digit megajoules as even laser pistols are rated in the megawatts and non military lasers can cause dismemberment with a single bolt.

I see FO laser rifles just below 40k plasma weapons which isn't too far fetched since we know there's canonically stated weapon yield of at least two gigawatts from the mass produced Assaultron. So Military grade laser rifles being in the triple digit megajoules isn't unsupported even if you doubted the various sources of ashing and scripted scenes.

We have modern non-military-grade weapons that can cause dismemberment with a single bullet. Look at elephant rifles. And no, that wouldn't mean that it's in the triple-digit megajoule range. You could probably accomplish the same thing with a well-aimed .50 BMG round to the arm or leg. And that's only about 17-18 KJs. And of course, you could easily accomplish the same thing with you know...a sword, which for humans, is typically around 140 joules. Your problem, Scooby, is that you are vastly overestimating how much energy you need to accomplish these feats.


*Assaultron Wank*

Your problem, Scooby, is that we're talking about the BoS, not the Assaultron, which if my memory hasn't failed me, is actually a pretty high-end enemy that will make short work of a player even in power armor. The fact that it's main cannon is designed and rated at ~3 gigawatts does not correlate to the laser rifles having the same output. Rather, it simply reinforces the already accepted evidence that while there is that level of power in the microfusion cells. These are two different weapons that you are conflating in hopes of getting maximum firepower for FO.
 
Bolters are able to penetrate things much more durable then that of the FO PA.
Thiugh, I will have to go through and pull out the calcs from SB of durability
And we both know how insane those can be.

If you have calcs that I'd believe, go ahead.

I expect their power armor to be fairly durable, but there is only so much I'm willing to accept as plausible. This is a man-sized target. I sincerely doubt they can resist weapons above the low-end megajoule range. Otherwise, we're getting to the point where these men would be able to go toe to toe with an Abrams tank (whose main gun's KE is 10 mj). In which case, we'd need to accept that bolter rounds would need to have the same range and power.

Since I expect that there aren't numerous examples of Space Marines tagging equally durable enemies at 3 klicks, I rather expect that there are some strict limits as to how powerful these guys actually are.
 
And here we have 2.5km shot by a Iron Warrior. One handed.
So uh, range wise? The BoS will not win.

That's rather comical when we've seen videos of Astartes engaging at much, much closer ranges.

And I even doubt the plasma or the lasers would be able to disintegrate astartes based off this quote.

I'm sorry, but the vaporization feat would be clocked in at 3 gigawatts. If Astartes were really that powerful, bog-standard humans would simply not be a part of the battlefield unless it involved low-end tactical nukes as a sidearm.

Of course this is about a poison so diffrent methods.

Let's not even get into the speed these guys have.

I've seen Space Marines run. I expect it's pretty fast, all things considered, but we're not looking at Sonic or the Flash here.
 

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