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As of a few years ago Brazilian police were still using those.That ,and LMG.Denmark made some good model,Madsen i think.
As of a few years ago Brazilian police were still using those.That ,and LMG.Denmark made some good model,Madsen i think.
Armenia get Van lake? good.Much better world then ours,even if nothing else change.I suppose,that both greeks and kurds exiled turks from their new territories - and nobody cared.Armenian,after genocide,probably just killed all turks they found.Bill Smith- Anzac
The Gallipoli campaign was a near run thing,
The our side was plagued by ill-defined goals, piss poor planning, insufficient artillery, inexperienced troops, inaccurate maps, poor intelligence, overconfidence, inadequate equipment, and the logistics and tactics were basically shit. On top of that at first the only reason we won was because the Poles got fucking lost because of those shit tier maps and ended up landing on the wrong place. Then their forces tried to find us and ended up flanking the Turks from behind by accident.
This basically saved the whole operation, it gave us enough time to really establish a beach head and take the forts. So the generals thought that once they did this that we could just sail up to Istanbul give the Turks a good shelling and a good talking and then the straits would open and all would be right as bloody rain.
Yeah that didn't happen, that didn't bloody happen at all, the turks blocked the sea of marmara with pretty much what ever ship they had and were not afraid to throw what ever men then had to block us going east. This left the south open, and seeing that we went south. The idea being we could bait the Turks into leaving and take Istanbul.
It's didn't quite work out that way, so we managed to pretty much take the west coast and then the Turks started throwing conscripts at us men who were even more badly armed then we were, and we found ourselves forced to take defensive positions.
So in an effort to break the enemy in a differnt place in order to defeat the red line we just ended up creating another red line in western Turkey, we could never push far enough into Antolia to actually you know beat the Turks. The turks for their part were cut off from ammunition and were dealing with the red line to the north east.
Once we were dug in it was another front the Turks, the men in england told us to fight on and hold the line, and looked for another front. Encouraging us to go in and finish the Turks but never giving us the men, material, guns or ammo to actually bloody do it. So we essentially just dug trenches, took up machine gun nests and bombs and just smashed increasingly badly armed turkish assaults the rest of the war.
By the end of it we were fighting old men and young boys, like I said the Turks gave us Merry hell but when they finally collapsed it was utter and we found out how much damage our red line did to them. Still they did their part for their alliance we were not able to save Russia in time.
And because of that well we were quite ruthless with them, the partition of the ottoman empire was not kind to the turks not kind at all.
Armenia get Van lake? good.Much better world then ours,even if nothing else change.I suppose,that both greeks and kurds exiled turks from their new territories - and nobody cared.Armenian,after genocide,probably just killed all turks they found.
And again,nobody cared.
Poor Bulgarians - they must hate their missed chance.
P.S Polish troops had good maps and did it on purpose,right?
So,this time they win by accident.Well,one another regiment on turks flanks could do that in OTL.The poles used the maps provided by their british allies....
The Poles from Nowa Polska are also from the tropics. I don't know about marching through a jungle but I do know what it's like to go hiking through a dense forest.So,this time they win by accident.Well,one another regiment on turks flanks could do that in OTL.
General Edard Von Below
The destruction of poland as a country, the partitions is in my opinion the single stupidest thing Prussia ever did as a country. Its a classic tale of short term thinking, in Prussias attempt to join east and west prussia it had given up the single greatest buffer state we had, and put a very hungry Russian bear right on our door step. Once the foolishness of our actions hit us we tried several things to apease them and several things to grow our power but at the end of the day our foolishness put them on our boarder.
That's the thing that ultimently led to our downfall.
The war on the west? Sound and fury signifying nothing, the French knew we were coming and the Jungle Poles sabotage meant that by the time we got to the boarder the French were waiting for us, and we were stopped cold, and we spent the entire war on the western front just throwing away lives.
The french for their part after the first year decided that since we were not on French soil that they could simply squeeze Germany to death, well the British really, and just upgraded their defenses, allowing us to bloody ourselves on offenses that just didn't work.
The British for their part tried other fronts you know anything to bleed us dry. Turkey was their biggest success the Ottomans pretty much lost everything during the Arab revolts, and lost 3 million men trying to defeat the red line of Antolia. The only place we really had any success was in fighting Russia.
And that was in large part due to all of the restive minorities who were willing to gleefully accept German Arms to fight the russians for their freedom. I generally grew to like these people, in the end though the communist revolution felled the Russian giant and our eastern boarder was secure once more.
The diplomats lost us the war, I mean people blamed the socialists, the jews and all of these other people but in my opinion the people who lost us the war were the diplomats. I mean the shear idiocy of trying to get a country in the middle of a revolution to attack a great power with no way to supply them? I mean what were they thinking? Even the Yankees had limits.
That was the end for us, the constant fruitless attacks the arrival of the enemies tanks, and then knowing that the enemy would have a collection of Fresh bodies? And on top of that the fact we were starving. No the war at that point was lost.
The terms were harsh 132 billion gold marks, loss of territory it was harsh.
But the Poles did some work for us behind the scenes, Instead of Germany accepting a national Blame, Prussia would be blamed and the region under East Prussia would be split off from Germany and would be forced to pay half the reperations. The Kaiser would be allowed to continue to run the now impoverished prussia.
In return for this legal fiction, we agreed to sell the city of Danzig to Poland for 6 billion gold reichmark's. Most of which they had in their reserves. They also worked out a deal were Germany agreed to 'sell' our colonies to help pay our debts. When the horse trading was over we only owed 50 billion gold marks.
It was a burden, I'm not going to lie but the Poles had successfully worked with the French anger to direct their rage and hate at the Kaiser and Prussia instead of ourselves, and the greatly reduced amount was something we could pay. It was a defeat we had lost territory, we had lost our empire but Germany still lived and while it would struggle to pay the reperations, at least they were static with no interest upon it.
Austria Hungry, and the Ottomans had come out of it much worse then we did, and for all of the problems we actually lived in a more secure Germany. With a whole host of countries we had friendly economic ties with who were eager to be our shield against the Soviet threat.
If we had been content with what we had, then Germany could have prospered and been a respected great power, but that's the problem with us as a country we only saw what we didn't have instead of what we did.
Wolfgang Gert Stresemann
The Great war demolished Germany, but it could have been worse.
We left it owing 66 billion gold marks, 22 to France, 22 to the british, and 22 to the Belgians. The yanks were mostly satisfied to basically nullify all of our patents which hurt but it could have made things worse. The fact that the allies seperated us from Prussia and cut the debt in half instead of doing things proportionally utterly devisated the Prussians but it gave us the wiggle room to rebuild.
So first thing we did at least try to get a better deal, the colonies were lost no matter what we did. Selling them to the British to reduce the reperations to 56 billion made sense. The deal we made for Danzig, humilating but bringing in 6 billion to split between the 3 major powers was the thing we needed to get some breathing room.
After that we owed 10 billion to the British, 20 billion to the French, and 20 billion to the belgians. My father was the first to realize one very important fact. The only people we had to make happy were the French and British. The beligans were too weak to actually hurt us and go to war with us.
Thus the decision was to concentrate on paying off the powers that could harm us while stalling on a lot of other issues. First the Navy we agreed to a reduction but my father stalled on destroying it using the money from Danzig to buy us time. We looked around for buyers.
In 1919 after the war was over the Turks decided to got to war with the Greeks to reclaim everything and we sold all of the older ships that by treaty we were no longer allowed to have, and quite simply put we screwed the greeks on the deal. They needed a fleet right then and there.
They had been able to grab the Ottoman Treasury and a deal was worked out. 10 billion marks, 7 billion up front with the remaining 3 billion to be paid to the French out of the passage fee's they were charging to anyone traveling through the straits.
The French didn't like it at first but they did like money, and we were showing good faith. In the same year, the Soviets decided to invade Poland and they wanted to buy our old weapons, and the british were scared so we capitalized on that fear and told them that we were willing to graciously sell our old stock to the Poles in exchange for forgiving our reperations payments. We got a deal to cut it in half, the brits thought it was cutting the then current debt in half, but father had sneaked in some wording and then we put it to an international court.
We now officially owed the British nothing the diplomat who had signed the agreement was of course fired for gross in competence but with that deal inked and another 10 million marks paid to the french from the naval deal father had more or less paid off half the reperation's we owed with in a couple years. That meant we had a grand total of one power that we needed to keep happy while we rebuilt our country. France.
We gave the Belgians minimum payments while making sure that the French got the lions share of the money. The Belgians were in a frothing rage about the entire thing but once again they were too weak to do anything and the Anglos and French accepted our logic that we only had so much money, and it was either prioritize paying them or our economy would collapse and we wouldn't be able to pay anything at all and the French wanted their money.
By the time the Polish Soviet war and the Greek Turkish one had ended, we had been able to pay off another 4 billion marks of the French debt. 26 billion marks was a large sum of money but it was something we could realistically pay off. My father became a hero, and was able to lead Germany through a golden 20s.
Yes Weimar played fast and loose with the rules at times, our tendency to exile both right wing and left wing extremists to Prussia to keep the peace one of those occasions, but it worked. The problem was my father wasn't man who had the best health. But he took a struggling country and rebuilt it into a functional one, and as he laid dying he made two requests.
Be responsible with the money supply and never let the Prussians back into the fold.
Both pieces of advice were ignored and in my exile from my homeland I wondered if this current nightmare would have been avoided if his advice had been heeded.