The Worst Scifi and Fantasy Militaries.

Agent23

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So they are insisting on having the Dark Eldar problems... without being Dark Eldar, and trying to be a military rather than pirates with OP technology.
Stop insulting the Dark Eldar, compared to YA pop movie garbage they are the pinnacle of competence.
Also, they never were an organized faction.
Commorragh is basically Port Royal, Vegas and Sodom and Gomorrah, and probably modern day San Francisco of the Webways, all rolled into one.
They have never been a truly organized military force, just a bunch of pirate raiders.

If organized, the oldschool space elves can do a lot more damage, but that is not their purpose, they just want to continue with their debauchery and stave off Slaanesh as long as possible.

And as to canon fodder, well, the Homonculi can produce as many new recruits as required IIRC.

It is perfectly in character for them to be as organized as a pack of bloodthirsty thugs and not an army, also they can canonically steal stars and drag them into the webway to power Commorragh still, at least according to the "Path of the..." book series.
 
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Bear Ribs

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This one will probably be a bit of a stretcher, and doesn't hit the rarified lows of the Spengo, Psychlosm or most YA novels.

However as runner-up, I'd nominate humanity in the John Ringo Legacy of the Aldenata series.

The Posleen are immune to chemical and biological weapons. Further, they are mostly sub-sentient morons (A few are "God-Kings" who have human intelligence and lead) barely capable of operating a rifle and many of their engagements wind up hand-to-hand using monomolecular swords that can cut through any armor humans possess. They eat humans and multiply explosively, food is the biggest limiter so getting at a city full of civilians almost immediately gives them a huge population surge of new soldiers.

The big thing is the Tenar, basically tiny flying saucers with near-perfect automatic point defense the God-Kings ride around in. A Tenar's point-defense can be saturated with enough fire and further, a Tenar will not fire on anything that's on a ballistic course, it only shoots things that are guided or powered in some way.

Looking at this setup, mankind decided to go with highly expensive power-armor and try to fight the Posleen hand-to-hand (And, I guess, just hoped the Tenar would go away or something since the suits had no way to deal with them) instead of, y'know, building so many cheap tube artillery and easily portable mortar platforms no Posleen ever finds out what color the sky is. Further, they decided the best option to engage the Posleen right before the hand-to-hand stage was ridiculously high-velocity bullets instead of, say, flamethrowers.

It gets worse. The Posleen don't understand water, have no (water) ships or submarines, and even rivers are serious barriers for them. So when deciding what to do with all the evacuated civilian populations, naturally the humans built massive floating/underwater cities that... oh, wait, they instead built ridiculously expensive underground bunkers and disarmed all the people inside so that the second a Posleen found the place it became an all-you-can-eat buffet that would immediately generate a Posleen population explosion. Humans also scrap all their ships and such because obviously having offshore artillery platforms the Posleen can't touch aren't going to be any use, right?
 

Agent23

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This one will probably be a bit of a stretcher, and doesn't hit the rarified lows of the Spengo, Psychlosm or most YA novels.

However as runner-up, I'd nominate humanity in the John Ringo Legacy of the Aldenata series.

The Posleen are immune to chemical and biological weapons. Further, they are mostly sub-sentient morons (A few are "God-Kings" who have human intelligence and lead) barely capable of operating a rifle and many of their engagements wind up hand-to-hand using monomolecular swords that can cut through any armor humans possess. They eat humans and multiply explosively, food is the biggest limiter so getting at a city full of civilians almost immediately gives them a huge population surge of new soldiers.

The big thing is the Tenar, basically tiny flying saucers with near-perfect automatic point defense the God-Kings ride around in. A Tenar's point-defense can be saturated with enough fire and further, a Tenar will not fire on anything that's on a ballistic course, it only shoots things that are guided or powered in some way.

Looking at this setup, mankind decided to go with highly expensive power-armor and try to fight the Posleen hand-to-hand (And, I guess, just hoped the Tenar would go away or something since the suits had no way to deal with them) instead of, y'know, building so many cheap tube artillery and easily portable mortar platforms no Posleen ever finds out what color the sky is. Further, they decided the best option to engage the Posleen right before the hand-to-hand stage was ridiculously high-velocity bullets instead of, say, flamethrowers.

It gets worse. The Posleen don't understand water, have no (water) ships or submarines, and even rivers are serious barriers for them. So when deciding what to do with all the evacuated civilian populations, naturally the humans built massive floating/underwater cities that... oh, wait, they instead built ridiculously expensive underground bunkers and disarmed all the people inside so that the second a Posleen found the place it became an all-you-can-eat buffet that would immediately generate a Posleen population explosion. Humans also scrap all their ships and such because obviously having offshore artillery platforms the Posleen can't touch aren't going to be any use, right?
To be honest that was because the Space Elf forced pacifist merchants were fucking with human political elites for millennia and they basically wanted a much-diminished and selectively culled humanity to be their little mercantilist empire's military caste.
 

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
Come to think of it, House Frey's levies in Game of Thrones TV weren't very good. As I recall their "helmets" were leather caps and they hadn't even put up a picket line when they were laying siege to a castle.
 

Carrot of Truth

War is Peace
Come to think of it, House Frey's levies in Game of Thrones TV weren't very good. As I recall their "helmets" were leather caps and they hadn't even put up a picket line when they were laying siege to a castle.

The TV show costume people had this stupid idea to give everyone their own "signature" look then again after the stupidity of MRAP and the UCP maybe there is a real world precedent.
 

bintananth

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The TV show costume people had this stupid idea to give everyone their own "signature" look then again after the stupidity of MRAP and the UCP maybe there is a real world precedent.
The costume people weren't being complete idiots. A military uniform should be distinctive enough that someone who knows what they're looking at/for can tell friend from foe.

With a TV show the costumes need to tell the audience who is on which side, and it must be obvious at a glance to grandma.
 

Carrot of Truth

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The costume people weren't being complete idiots. A military uniform should be distinctive enough that someone who knows what they're looking at/for can tell friend from foe.

With a TV show the costumes need to tell the audience who is on which side, and it must be obvious at a glance to grandma.


Medieval European armies all wore the same kind of Armour there was no "Signature" looks. Telling people apart is what banners and heraldry was for and the books constantly go on about that.
 

bintananth

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Medieval European armies all wore the same kind of Armour there was no "Signature" looks. Telling people apart is what banners and heraldry was for and the books constantly go on about that.
Real life is not a TV show.

If you and I were lords on a medieval battlefield our banners and heraldry would be distict enough that an illiterate peasant conscript who just wants to go home would be able to determine which of us is the asshole who dragged him there and knows how to get him home to his family without too much PTSD.
 

Carrot of Truth

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Real life is not a TV show.

If you and I were lords on a medieval battlefield our banners and heraldry would be distict enough that an illiterate peasant conscript who just wants to go home would be able to determine which of us is the asshole who dragged him there and knows how to get him home to his family without too much PTSD.


Ignorant peasants getting levied is a myth, That would happen in dire situations but it was by no means a norm.
 
this is a bit of a stretch, but I'd like to nominate the death eaters from Harry Potter. They had no real strategy, nearly every victory was obtained either by ambush or by equal incompetence on the part of the good guys, and they were taken down by a bunch of teenagers. Had Britain's wizarding world had a semi-competent government/military, the death eaters would have been beaten down like a street gang.
 
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Carrot of Truth

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this is a bit of a stretch but I'd like to nominate the death eaters from Harry Potter. They had no real strategy, nearly every victory obtained either by ambush or by equal incompetence on the part of the good guys, and they were taken down by a teenage boy. Had Britian's wizarding world had a semi-competent government, the death eaters would have been beaten down like a street gang.


I think their situation was more like a palace coup than an actual war.
 

bintananth

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Ignorant peasants getting levied is a myth, That would happen in dire situations but it was by no means a norm.
If a peasant did get levied back then he was way more likely to die of disease before he even got to the battlefield than he was to be injured or killed in the fight.

Google is being useless, but roughly 2/3 of the soldiers who died in the American Civil War succumbed to disease. That was was a vast improvement over the Crimean War (4/5) and Napoleanic Era (7/8) if I'm remembering the ratios correctly.

The ratio during the medieval period was much uglier.

As I said upthread: Real life is not a TV show.
 
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Carrot of Truth

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If a peasant did get levied back then he was way more likely to die of disease before he even got to the battlefield than he was to be injured or killed in the fight.

Google is being useless, but roughly 2/3 of the soldiers who died in the American Civil War succumbed to disease. That was was a vast improvement over the Crimean War (4/5) and Napoleanic Era (7/8) if I'm remembering the ratios correctly.

The ratio during the medieval period was much uglier.

As I said upthread: Real life is not a TV show.


Side tracking aside in the books all of the knights are wearing this kind of armour

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Basically early plate bascinets or great helms ect, The men at arms are wearing similar kit or maybe just mail regardless there is none of that stupid samurai looking armor.

For a movie that did Armour a lot better watch "The King" on Netflix

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Its not perfect but its a hell of a lot better looking imo.
 

bintananth

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Side tracking aside in the books all of the knights are wearing this kind of armour

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Basically early plate bascinets or great helms ect, The men at arms are wearing similar kit or maybe just mail regardless there is none of that stupid samurai looking armor.

For a movie that did Armour a lot better watch "The King" on Netflix

the-king-final-trailer-feature.jpg


Its not perfect but its a hell of a lot better looking imo.
Most medieval knights didn't have access to a blacksmith who could make armour like what those pictures show.

As for "that stupid samurai looking armour"? That was mostly worn by generals so that everyone knew exactly where he was. The Japanese did not use shields during the Warring States period and something like 70% percent of the battlefield dead were killed by arrows (or gunfire, towards the end) with a decent chunk of the remainder being the result of a single sword slash cutting the casualty from the left shoulder to the right hip.
 

Carrot of Truth

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Most medieval knights didn't have access to a blacksmith who could make armour like what those pictures show.

As for "that stupid samurai looking armour"? That was mostly worn by generals so that everyone knew exactly where he was. The Japanese did not use shields during the Warring States period and something like 70% percent of the battlefield dead were killed by arrows (or gunfire, towards the end) with a decent chunk of the remainder being the result of a single sword slash cutting the casualty from the left shoulder to the right hip.


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Uhhh not sure what you mean, given that this is a thing, I was talking about GOT by the way.
 

Carrot of Truth

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Movie/TV armies are a lot like porn: make it look good for the camera and audience, any resemblance to actual reality is a mere accident.

Yeah but they could and should have went the "realistic" aka book accurate route, Would have been cheaper and looked a lot better.
 

Marduk

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This is what you're looking for. Late medieval\renaissance mass produced, partially standardized plate armor was a thing. But it had limits, and required certain types of large scale metalworking industry and technology for it. Without it, you get the stereotypical very expensive and rare plate armor made by individual blacksmiths for individual knights.
 

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