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My point is that the market is getting less and less free as time goes on, and that this is just another step towards us no longer owning anything. Imagine a world where you're not just paying a subscription fee for heated seats in your car, but for your car itself, as well as everything else you "buy". It's not simply the heated seats subscription itself that I have a problem with; it's the mindset behind it, and what that inevitably leads to if it's not checked.

The government isn't supposed to stop people from doing stupid things with their own money; but they are supposed to step when they're being taken advantage of.
That's what parts of the Right and some lolbertarians/ancaps don't get.

The rad greens want to redo 'purchasing' agreements to shift burden of disposal onto the companies that produce stuff, and thus a lot of stuff is something you 'lease' from the producer, who then takes it back when it's wornout or out of date. This isn't about 'free market', it's about power consolidation in the hands of corp monopolies and their bought and paid for politicians under cover of more 'environmental policies'. They want a 'steady state, no growth' society, and I've been in lectures on these subjects where the profs tried to sell this sort of shit.

However, underneath it is a definite push against private property and ownership as we know it, particularly when it comes to basic necessities, as part of a authoritarian Marxist push. The lolberts and ancaps don't seem to grock this though.
 
Yes? The alternative is having two production lines for the seats. It's incredibly cheaper not to have a second production line, not having to worry about getting proportions of cars with it and without it right, etc.
No you don't. Do you not know anything about production? Any line is not going to be making exactly the same thing 100% of the time. Things are produced in batches which vary in size based on orders.

This is especially good for something like heated seats. People are very take it or leave it on these. I hate them. My mom loves them. People in the south don't need them. So you'd actually want both options, it's not just an auto include. If it was an auto include, then this would be costing them money vs. just including it in the initial price.
And yet it actually increases cost to have them installed on the off chance whoever buys a car will buy into this service vs. just offering a more baseline trim model which doesn't have them and having other higher trim versions which have them.

This isn't making the market less free. They aren't forcing you to buy stuff, and they aren't colluding with governments or corporations (about this at least).
Yet. You should've seen what's going on with "right to repair" by now, though, to know better what this is a sign of. Also, you are most certainly paying for those subscription items whether you pay to actually use them or not.
 
This isn't making the market less free. They aren't forcing you to buy stuff, and they aren't colluding with governments or corporations (about this at least). You are combining the problem of an unfree market (which we do have, but this isn't part of it) with the lack of ownership, when that's a different problem.

Look, some people are fine with not owning stuff. They can get stuck in there cubical homes. Meanwhile, others like to, so they'll pay more to do so (or more accurately, not get the discounted rates others do for not owning). In a free market, both will buy what they want and get different outcomes based on what they decided.
Yet. They're not doing it yet. As Captain X points out, that will quickly change; and choosing to not buy the product isn't an option in an oligopoly. Which is the system we have; not a free market.

No, they aren't. There's nothing fraudulent here. The company is being straight up honest about what it is doing. This is, in your opinion, someone doing something stupid with their money. That's all it is though.
One can cheat the customer while still coming across as honest to them. Just look at Captain X schooling you on the actual cost of these heated seat subscriptions, if you want an example of how. They're taking advantage of people's ignorance (and their stubborn refusal to admit when they're wrong) to make it seem like what they're doing isn't a scam; which it is.
 
Nope. Single production line, where some parts are put on certain vehicles and some aren't. The only 'extra' effort here is that you do or don't put that equipment on the vehicle.
As my edit pointed out, two production lines for the chairs. This costs far more money than just the parts.
Do you really think they AREN'T going to have a general price increase when they do this to offset the cost of putting all this equipment on every vehicle, and THEN charge the subscription fee to enable the features?
No, I'm pretty sure that standardizing the chair saves some money (certainly not enough to cover the entire cost, but definitely some), and the rest is made up in the subscription service. There's also the chance that they were going to offer it on every car anyway, in which case this is more of a cheaper option for people who don't want heated seats while charging people who do slightly more.

However, underneath it is a definite push against private property and ownership as we know it, particularly when it comes to basic necessities, as part of a authoritarian Marxist push. The lolberts and ancaps don't seem to grock this though.
First, don't use 'grock' when you don't even know how to spell grok. Second, that you think this radical enviromentalists are in charge here, and not just people who want your money is just dumb. Seriously, the subscription based model is something being pushed in a lot of places because it is profitable and it works.

The consumer doesn't get hit by sticker shock, and the company gets a consistent stream of revenue. It's done with tons of stuff where it makes more sense (spotify, software licensing in general, streaming services, etc) and so people look at that, see it's profitable, and want to try it out on other stuff to see if it's profitable there too.

There's no great conspiracy, just people wanting money.


No you don't. Do you not know anything about production? Any line is not going to be making exactly the same thing 100% of the time. Things are produced in batches which vary in size based on orders.
Fair, and no, I'm not read up on how production lines work. I'm pretty sure not having to switch would save some money though. Obviously not a huge amount, but it would allow for easier/greater automation if they don't have to alter how part of the supply line works. Alternatively, maybe it's just not turning on a specific machine? In which case they are still effectively losing money by not making the higher value products when it costs a semi-similar amount.

And yet it actually increases cost to have them installed on the off chance whoever buys a car will buy into this service vs. just offering a more baseline trim model which doesn't have them and having other higher trim versions which have them.
Yes, it's more expensive than the baseline. Never disputed that. But it would be cheaper than the

Yet. You should've seen what's going on with "right to repair" by now, though, to know better what this is a sign of. Also, you are most certainly paying for those subscription items whether you pay to actually use them or not.
No, I'm not? No money's leaving my pocket, so I'm not getting your point here. As for right to repair, it is definitely important, but it exists largely because of government interference with the DMCA. If it wasn't for that, people would just reverse engineer stuff, and the free market could handle it. Right to Repair is a bandaid on top of a wound that's still being inflicted.

Yet. They're not doing it yet. As Captain X points out, that will quickly change; and choosing to not buy the product isn't an option in an oligopoly. Which is the system we have; not a free market.
We aren't in a oligopoly with cars. Seriously, there's at least a dozen companies with a fairly split market share, along with the huge used car marketshare that nets them nothing. None of them have real control over prices. Seriously, we have non-free markets, but cars? That ain't where it is. Oh, it's not perfect, it's not even great. We have a complete lack of the dead cheap Indian cars for example (which are cheap in part because of having no features, including safety features) because of dumb regulations, but honestly, the used car market really keeps it in check.

One can cheat the customer while still coming across as honest to them. Just look at Captain X schooling you on the actual cost of these heated seat subscriptions, if you want an example of how. They're taking advantage of people's ignorance (and their stubborn refusal to admit when they're wrong) to make it seem like what they're doing isn't a scam; which it is.
... No, it isn't a scam or fraud, and certainly doesn't merit government action. Seriously, where are they lying? You either don't know what you are talking about, or are just conflating definitions of things to arrive at the point you want. Again, a company is offering a service at a price point. They aren't lying about the service, the pricepoint, or colluding. That's not fraud. What you describe? Not fraud.
 
Just don't buy it.
> "Just make your own*"
- megacorps
*if you make your own we put you in prison

Reasons why you legally cannot make your own:
1. compliance with environmental regulation. How many MPG does your home made car get? does it pass all emission standards?

2. compliance with safety standards. Give us 10 copies of your car to destructively test to confirm that it is safe for a human to drive. What do you mean you only hand built one? off to prison rape-camp you go.

3. compliance with patent laws. The most ridiculous shit is patented. The way it works is, you need a library of patents yourself. Then you sit in the table with the other corps and go "ok, I will not sue you for breaking my 10,000 patents related to [PRODUCT], and vice versa".

4. it is a massive undertaking of a massive amount of people. huge barrier for entry. I hope you are a bazillionaire or the Prophet of a highly successful cult.

4b. if you somehow managed to bring together such a massive amount of people to build your own private car factory, they will still easily choke you out. They will sign deals with their parts suppliers forbidding them from selling parts or even just raw materials like iron to you. Then they will sign exclusivity deals with the sellers forbidding them from shipping your product.

Free market capitalism is an oxymoron, because it can only exist if business is heavily regulated by a government that is zealous about maintaining capitalism.
With an entire court system dedicated to rooting out "anti capitalist behavior". Whether it is bribing politicians, signing exclusivity deals, or becoming a monopoly.

Otherwise the a majority of the rich just bribe politicians to make laws that make it impossible for others to supplant them.
 
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Free market capitalism is an oxymoron, because it can only exist if business is heavily regulated by a government that is zealous about maintaining capitalism.
HA! no. It exists quite well when the government just shuts up and sits in the corner. Literally the first 3 examples you gave were the government doing stuff.

Also, I literally pointed out this problem?

Oh, it's not perfect, it's not even great. We have a complete lack of the dead cheap Indian cars for example (which are cheap in part because of having no features, including safety features) because of dumb regulations, but honestly, the used car market really keeps it in check.
Maybe read what I write?
 
"Do you agree with infanticide?"
"I don't agree with the basis of that question. Abortion is healthcare."

"Do you agree if a healthy child is born, it's that woman's right to decide if it lives or dies?"
"What I think is based on your question you have a very low opinion of pregnant people..."
procedes to act like a karen talking to a manager

 
HA! no. It exists quite well when the government just shuts up and sits in the corner. Literally the first 3 examples you gave were the government doing stuff.
While it is true that SOME of the ways in which the ruling class ruin capitalism involve government. Completely eliminating govt involvement in business is:
1. not going to ever happen
2. still leaves lots of private business avenues of attack.

I will like to first remind you that news is a business. Access to news channels goes through ISPs, which themselves decide which they even offer. So you will never even hear about any of the misdeeds of megacorps needed to boycott misbehaving corps.

The megacorps themselves are very happy on hiding themselves by creating many fake brands.

And they can choke upstarts via a variety of ways. Let me give you some IRL examples.

Story 1:
An Israeli chocolatier started a startup for making and selling his own brand of chocolate. extremely delicious and high quality ingredients at an affordable price.

Elite, the megacorp who owns almost all candy production in israel took note. They hired thousands of people to go buy out stock of everything he sold, pretending to be ordinary customers. Again, and again, and again it was snatched off the shelf.

Then he took a large loan and built a large factory to produce large amount of product.
At which point Elite stopped. Suddenly there was a whole bunch of product, but nobody knew it. It takes a long time for people to try something new out, and because elite kept on buying out his stock nobody even had the opportunity to try it before.
It vastly under sold and his company went bankrupt.

Story 2:
Amazon.com colluded with pretty much every single publishing house out there to engage in price fixing to sell their eBooks for more than the competition.
Amazon also requires exclusivity from anyone who sells eBooks on them. So many online fics that try to self publish have to stop selling them elsewhere.

Apple did something similar. I even have a convenient link.

Qidian is the chinese giant of ebooks and does similar things.
In fact, Qidian secretely bought out a large fan translation site. They had its former owner act as their shills and try to convince fan translators to sign a slave contract with them full of hidden print.

His main job was to try to trick victims into believing that this is a "standard contract" and there is no reason to waste money hiring a lawyer to go over it with him.

They also sent dozens of employees over to the comments sections pretending to be readers. All echoing the same false advice. Many fan translators fell for this and signed the slavery contract with qidian.

Story 3:
When AMD produced a CPU that was vastly superior to intel (due to intel having a bout of idiocy and allowing marketing to overrule the engineers. forcing things like "bigger mhz numbers, even if it is slower make the numbers bigger!")

Intel reacted by... using its market position to just lock out AMD via exclusivity contracts. Gave them the years they needed to fix their shit

Story 4:
all the DRAM makers engaged in price fixing

Story 5:
Orange company signed a deal with national park custodians to convert their organic waste into natural fertilizer. Competing company bribed for profit press to turn the populace against them for their "wanton pollution" (because organic fertilizer is pollution now).

There were protests against this, and then bribed politicians helped legally stop the whole thing in the name of saving the environment.

While this is an example where the govt was involved in the final shutdown, they first primed it by getting public support on their side via controlling the press. The press lied and the public ate it up

The free market can't "fix" those things. The "free" (privately owned) press won't report it unless it is convenient for them. And even if they report it, a company can easily be choked out.

I mean FFS gab (conservative alternative to twitter) has to resort to people sending them personal checks because all payment processors stole their money and banned them. which they can do, read the fine print.
 
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While it is true that SOME of the ways in which the ruling class ruin capitalism involve government. Completely eliminating govt involvement in business is:
1. not going to ever happen
2. still leaves lots of private business avenues of attack.
So, I can name far more examples of government fucking around with stuff than just a corporation fucking without government. Namely, nearly every regulation ever.

Also, your fifth example? Yeah, they used government. Look, I'm not saying no government trust busting. I am saying that 95% of the time, government is the problem, not the solution.
 
Free market capitalism is an oxymoron, because it can only exist if business is heavily regulated by a government that is zealous about maintaining capitalism.
With an entire court system dedicated to rooting out "anti capitalist behavior". Whether it is bribing politicians, signing exclusivity deals, or becoming a monopoly..

You have just destroyed any credibility you have regarding economics and business law.

You seem to be suffering from a bad case of 'things suck now, I'm hyperfocused on it,' to the point where you are not aware that increasing government involvement is not only one of the two key things that made it so bad in the first place, but that this is always and inevitably the result of more government involvement.
 
While it is true that SOME of the ways in which the ruling class ruin capitalism involve government. Completely eliminating govt involvement in business is:
1. not going to ever happen
2. still leaves lots of private business avenues of attack.

I will like to first remind you that news is a business. Access to news channels goes through ISPs, which themselves decide which they even offer. So you will never even hear about any of the misdeeds of megacorps needed to boycott misbehaving corps.

The megacorps themselves are very happy on hiding themselves by creating many fake brands.

And they can choke upstarts via a variety of ways. Let me give you some IRL examples.

Story 1:
An Israeli chocolatier started a startup for making and selling his own brand of chocolate. extremely delicious and high quality ingredients at an affordable price.

Elite, the megacorp who owns almost all candy production in israel took note. They hired thousands of people to go buy out stock of everything he sold, pretending to be ordinary customers. Again, and again, and again it was snatched off the shelf.

Then he took a large loan and built a large factory to produce large amount of product.
At which point Elite stopped. Suddenly there was a whole bunch of product, but nobody knew it. It takes a long time for people to try something new out, and because elite kept on buying out his stock nobody even had the opportunity to try it before.
It vastly under sold and his company went bankrupt.

Story 2:
Amazon.com colluded with pretty much every single publishing house out there to engage in price fixing to sell their eBooks for more than the competition.
Amazon also requires exclusivity from anyone who sells eBooks on them. So many online fics that try to self publish have to stop selling them elsewhere.

Apple did something similar. I even have a convenient link.

Qidian is the chinese giant of ebooks and does similar things.
In fact, Qidian secretely bought out a large fan translation site. They had its former owner act as their shills and try to convince fan translators to sign a slave contract with them full of hidden print.

His main job was to try to trick victims into believing that this is a "standard contract" and there is no reason to waste money hiring a lawyer to go over it with him.

They also sent dozens of employees over to the comments sections pretending to be readers. All echoing the same false advice. Many fan translators fell for this and signed the slavery contract with qidian.

Story 3:
When AMD produced a CPU that was vastly superior to intel (due to intel having a bout of idiocy and allowing marketing to overrule the engineers. forcing things like "bigger mhz numbers, even if it is slower make the numbers bigger!")

Intel reacted by... using its market position to just lock out AMD via exclusivity contracts. Gave them the years they needed to fix their shit

Story 4:
all the DRAM makers engaged in price fixing

Story 5:
Orange company signed a deal with national park custodians to convert their organic waste into natural fertilizer. Competing company bribed for profit press to turn the populace against them for their "wanton pollution" (because organic fertilizer is pollution now).

There were protests against this, and then bribed politicians helped legally stop the whole thing in the name of saving the environment.

While this is an example where the govt was involved in the final shutdown, they first primed it by getting public support on their side via controlling the press. The press lied and the public ate it up

The free market can't "fix" those things. The "free" (privately owned) press won't report it unless it is convenient for them. And even if they report it, a company can easily be choked out.

I mean FFS gab (conservative alternative to twitter) has to resort to people sending them personal checks because all payment processors stole their money and banned them. which they can do, read the fine print.

The problem is one of culture because this is a global problem right now. How do you fix it? I don't know.
 
So, I can name far more examples of government fucking around with stuff than just a corporation fucking without government. Namely, nearly every regulation ever.

Also, your fifth example? Yeah, they used government. Look, I'm not saying no government trust busting. I am saying that 95% of the time, government is the problem, not the solution.
You LITERALLY were arguing that it is perfectly ok for car manufacturers to charge you a monthly fee for hardware features in the car you bought (remotely disabling those hardware features if you stop paying), because "the free market will sort them out".

You are simplifying it to "govt bad" vs "corpo bad".
They are both bad and both have to be kept in check. You can't just say "all govt is good/bad" or "all corpo is good/bad".

You keep them in check by fighting against evil. Not by going "govt/corps should be able to do literally anything they want because my ideology says so"
Both communists and libertarians are wrong. Unchecked govt power is bad, unchecked corpo power is bad. Both need to be fought against when they do bad things. Those ideologies are too up their own ass with their absolutes
 
You have just destroyed any credibility you have regarding economics and business law.

You seem to be suffering from a bad case of 'things suck now, I'm hyperfocused on it,' to the point where you are not aware that increasing government involvement is not only one of the two key things that made it so bad in the first place, but that this is always and inevitably the result of more government involvement.
Actually, I am very well versed in history.
You think this is a new problem? this is utterly hilarious.
There are examples from antiquity (ancient rome), there are also examples from all over europe for the past hundred of years as well as colonialism of copro malfeasance.

You are also strawmanning what I said into me being some sort of communist who thinks we should give govt unchecked power because "surely that will turn out ok".

A society must constantly root out corruption in its institutions if it is to survive. And "absolute power for institution X" is almost as stupid as any of the anarchy movements.

I am actually pro small government. But you absolutely MUST have govt regulation, specifically in the rooting out of anti capitalist behavior.

Don't delude yourself for a second into thinking that you can just say to hell with it and let corpos do literally anything (for example, what we are literally talking about right now) because "the free market will sort them out". The free market literally can't sort them out. Free market is just another form of anarchy power vacuum which will very rapidly collapse.

Your ancap ideology cannot work.
 
Also, your fifth example? Yeah, they used government.
facepalm. I literally said that.
While this is an example where the govt was involved in the final shutdown, they first primed it by getting public support on their side via controlling the press. The press lied and the public ate it up
The point of that example is that even though they used govt at the end, they only did so AFTER they go the public rioting thanks to corrupt for pay news media

Just dismissing it with "they used govt so it does not count" is completely missing the part where they bribed media corps to lie to the public to create massive public outrage and calls for action by the misinformed public.

This is critically important because you claimed that "the free market" will resolve issues... how can the public boycott companies for wrongdoing they do not even know about?
 
You LITERALLY were arguing that it is perfectly ok for car manufacturers to charge you a monthly fee for hardware features in the car you bought (remotely disabling those hardware features if you stop paying), because "the free market will sort them out".
Yes. Because it either will, or it won't. I don't like it, but I don't have a right to use a gun to force people to not make this deal. That's between those two people.

You are simplifying it to "govt bad" vs "corpo bad".
They are both bad and both have to be kept in check. You can't just say "all govt is good/bad" or "all corpo is good/bad".
Did you read what I wrote at all?
Look, I'm not saying no government trust busting. I am saying that 95% of the time, government is the problem, not the solution.
You keep them in check by fighting against evil. Not by going "govt/corps should be able to do literally anything they want because my ideology says so"
Both communists and libertarians are wrong. Unchecked govt power is bad, unchecked corpo power is bad. Both need to be fought against when they do bad things. Those ideologies are too up their own ass with their absolutes
No. See the issue here is that you can't notice the priorities. Government is the weapon and the instigator most of the time. Most of the remaining time it's the weapon. Only rarely is it not involving government. And when government isn't involved, the free market frequently solves the problem by itself, because all anti-competitive strategies harm the one doing it.

You are looking at an army of regulators and laws that spends $6T a year to screw the free market, and are whining about a company dwarfed in size that's offering a product in a way that isn't collusion.

facepalm. I literally said that.
I know. That's the dumbest part! You tried to point out 5 examples of Corporations acting bad without government, and you listed one where they used government.
 
I know. That's the dumbest part! You tried to point out 5 examples of Corporations acting bad without government, and you listed one where they used government.
facepalm. A story has more than one event happen in it.
This is why it is "a story" and not "a singular event".
That specific story has examples of both corpo and govt malfeasance.

In one chapter of the story, a corporation bribes media corporations to lie to the public. Creating public outrage, boycotts, and protests.
In another chapter of the story, a corporation bribes the govt to shut down a rival corporation.

One does not negate the other. Both count.
You can not just dismiss the govt corruption by saying "but there was also corpo corruption".
You cannot just dismiss the corpo corruption by going "but there was also govt corruption".

I am not some extremist idealogue who is in the camp of "govt should have absolute power" (communist) nor the camp of "corpos should have absolute power" (ancap). Both experience corruption and both must be carefully watched and punished for malfeasance.

You are talking this "example of non govt corpo corruption" to mean "an example of a corrupt corpo that never interacted with corrupt govt ever". When it was actually meant as "in the hypothetical (never) scenario where you somehow get your way and govt can never again interfere with business. Businesses will use these methods"

Story 5 contained 2 methods
Method A: Bribe media corp to lie to the public
Method B: Bribe govt to shut down competitor

The most basic of critical thinking makes it clear I was referring to method A being one of the items in their toolbox that they will use. I was not referring to method B because in the scenario you gave (zero govt interference) method B is not usable.
 
Actually, I am very well versed in history.
You think this is a new problem? this is utterly hilarious.
There are examples from antiquity (ancient rome), there are also examples from all over europe for the past hundred of years as well as colonialism of copro malfeasance.

You are also strawmanning what I said into me being some sort of communist who thinks we should give govt unchecked power because "surely that will turn out ok".

A society must constantly root out corruption in its institutions if it is to survive. And "absolute power for institution X" is almost as stupid as any of the anarchy movements.

I am actually pro small government. But you absolutely MUST have govt regulation, specifically in the rooting out of anti capitalist behavior.

Don't delude yourself for a second into thinking that you can just say to hell with it and let corpos do literally anything (for example, what we are literally talking about right now) because "the free market will sort them out". The free market literally can't sort them out. Free market is just another form of anarchy power vacuum which will very rapidly collapse.

Your ancap ideology cannot work.

I am not an Ancap.

And it does not have to be government rooting out anti-capitalist behavior. When there's outright fraud, you get the government involved in enforcing the law, but at root it has to be civic action from the bottom up, not authoritarian action from the top down, in order to reduce corruption issues to a bearable level.
 
And it does not have to be government rooting out anti-capitalist behavior.
No, it has to be the government.

Even if you completely remove the barriers to entry of building your own caused by the government (which admittedly most but not all are caused by corrupt govt), you are still left with these issues
4. it is a massive undertaking of a massive amount of people. huge barrier for entry. I hope you are a bazillionaire or the Prophet of a highly successful cult.

4b. if you somehow managed to bring together such a massive amount of people to build your own private car factory, they will still easily choke you out. They will sign deals with their parts suppliers forbidding them from selling parts or even just raw materials like iron to you. Then they will sign exclusivity deals with the sellers forbidding them from shipping your product.
And also because news is a corporation in bed with the other corporations. So the public is not going to be made aware.

If govt bullshit gets out of the way, I still won't be able to make a viable alternative car to the subscription car.

There is also the fact that many corporations sell to other corporations. So your free market boycott needs to chart which companies merely work with which other companies.

Besides which cancel culture is utterly toxic and has only made things worse.

The whole "govt must not interfere with business" form of "free market" is just another form of "abolish the police"

A corrupt police force does more harm than good as they actively work with crime. But if you abolish the police you will not have solved crime.

The only way to combat crime is a non corrupt police force. and it is doable as it has been done in the past.
but at root it has to be civic action from the bottom up, not authoritarian action from the top down, in order to reduce corruption issues to a bearable level.
kek. "authoritarian action" is a hilarious way of describing

Let me ask you, how well has the free market done in breaking up all those megacorps who are plaguing us right now?
Did it solve the problem with phones being locked down against their users and PCs having encroachment of the same tech.
Did it solve the lack of competition in the CPU market?
Did people boycott ALL the banks in protest over what was done to gab when it comes to payment processing?
Why is walmart so hugely successful despite being pure evil?

Our problem is equivalent to having a corrupt police force, the govt is complicit in the megacorp abuse rather than putting a stop to it.

The only solution is to clean up the govt and have them then bring back the old laws that used to keep corporations in check.

This is not an easy endeavor, but it is the only one who ever actually worked, historically.
 
I am not an Ancap.
then what was this
You have just destroyed any credibility you have regarding economics and business law.

You seem to be suffering from a bad case of 'things suck now, I'm hyperfocused on it,' to the point where you are not aware that increasing government involvement is not only one of the two key things that made it so bad in the first place, but that this is always and inevitably the result of more government involvement.
I took a swing at the ancap idea of "free market", that is a market with absolutely 0 government regulation and oversight. And you gave me the above.
 

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