Again.Western powers are doing that from WW1.And Kurds still belive them.They behave like us,poles.
Our noble Allies would surely do not betray us this time!
So...NATO is expanding...
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Again.Western powers are doing that from WW1.And Kurds still belive them.They behave like us,poles.
Our noble Allies would surely do not betray us this time!
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Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
They were only force which fought ISIS efficiently both in Iraq and Syria.Well,unless USA really created ISIS - then,Kurds are enemies indeed.
You know, I always think that one of the biggest mistakes in the post-WWI Middle Eastern settlement was not creating an independent Kurdistan. But of course it's too late for this nowadays, unfortunately.
Still, if I myself was Turkish, I'd give the Turks their right to national self-determination because they are breeding much more than Turks themselves are:Turks are akin to pre-WWI Germans while Kurds are akin to pre-WWI hyper-fertile Poles or Russians.
Not sure it would exist for long. It would be a landlocked country surrounded by countries considering it a threat to their stability due to cross-border Kurd populations in Syria, Iran and Iraq, and Kurds couldn't do a good job of denying that.You know, I always think that one of the biggest mistakes in the post-WWI Middle Eastern settlement was not creating an independent Kurdistan. But of course it's too late for this nowadays, unfortunately.
Considering the state of other landlocked countries in the region, it would not be doing very well even if it did survive.
It's more complicated than that, adding yet another layer of "fun":
President Erdoğan insults Kurds in Turkey over their fertility rate - Stockholm Center for Freedom
Turkish autocratic President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s controversial remarks on Friday about birth rates in Turkey in which he urged “Muslim” women to deliver more babies because “the terrorists” were bearing at least “10 to 15 children” draws ire from opposition circles in the country. According...
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Naturally the islamist leaning ethnic Kurds are more amicable to Erdogan than others and not very interested in separatism, while more likely than not providing a disproportional contribution to the birth rates, while the separatist, left leaning Kurds go the opposite direction.
In light of that, seems like Turkey is trying to assimilate the Kurds through "light" islamism rather than get rid of them in a more usual way.
Not sure it would exist for long. It would be a landlocked country surrounded by countries considering it a threat to their stability due to cross-border Kurd populations in Syria, Iran and Iraq, and Kurds couldn't do a good job of denying that.
Considering the state of other landlocked countries in the region, it would not be doing very well even if it did survive.
It's more complicated than that, adding yet another layer of "fun":
President Erdoğan insults Kurds in Turkey over their fertility rate - Stockholm Center for Freedom
Turkish autocratic President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s controversial remarks on Friday about birth rates in Turkey in which he urged “Muslim” women to deliver more babies because “the terrorists” were bearing at least “10 to 15 children” draws ire from opposition circles in the country. According...
Naturally the islamist leaning ethnic Kurds are more amicable to Erdogan than others and not very interested in separatism, while more likely than not providing a disproportional contribution to the birth rates, while the separatist, left leaning Kurds go the opposite direction.
In light of that, seems like Turkey is trying to assimilate the Kurds through "light" islamism rather than get rid of them in a more usual way.
That makes sense.
And frankly, when you think about it, the Turkish Kurds should actually be pushing for Turkey to annex the Syrian Kurdish areas in order to strengthen Kurdish political power in Turkey even further. I'm serious; I mean, why not? The main risk that I see here, of course, is Turkey getting expelled from NATO and getting a lot of sanctions put on it, though maybe not since few countries actually like Syria's Assad.
The Kurds from there have their differences with the ones in Turkey. Also they could argue that they are more likely to get something out of the weak Syria.
'Everything was going fine between us,' Putin says of NATO expansion; Russian forces withdraw from Snake Island
President Vladimir Putin has responded to NATO's forthcoming expansion. In Ukraine, Russian forces continue to pummel settlements in the east.
www.cnbc.com
By that logic, though, why not have the Turkish Kurds move en masse to Syria? They'd sacrifice their standard of living but also significantly strengthen the Kurdish position in Syria. And Assad might be interested in a population boost after Syria's recent civil war, no?
Obviously they don't want a dramatically lower standard of living. Also the Kurd lands in Syria are pretty small and the Arabs living next to them would not take kindly to their expansion. And neither would Assad. And we know what Assad does when there's people he wants to get rid of.
The Syrian civil war has ironically been rather beneficial for Assad since it contributed to the Shi'ization of Syria:
Shia crescent - Wikipedia
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Morocco kinda has ongoing disputes with Algeria and some of its other neighbors doesn't it? If not it certainly does regarding Western Sahara. Also isn't it technically not a Democracy or the like either?
And Brazil's Foreign Policy has been based on Independence, Internationalism and Non-Intervention AFAIK.
Only country that I think might be a good contributor to NATO I can think of is maybe Colombia since it's already pretty strongly in NATO orbit anyhow. And in spite of its violent history, it hasn't gone to actual war with any neighbors like a lot of countries in Latin America have over the past few decades.
Colombia is kind of isolated from NATO due to the Caribbean Sea being in the way, though.
And Turkey right now isn't exactly a democracy either.
FWIW, I wish that Ukraine was eventually admitted into NATO. Though as of right now, it's much more useful keeping it outside of NATO while using it as a sponge to bleed Russia dry, unfortunately.
Brazil would have far more utility for NATO for sure, but I just see it as not really happening anytime in the future.
Why would Morocco want to be in NATO, and why would France want Morocco in NATO?
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North Atlantic Treaty | Public International Law
Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments.They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilisation...
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Brazil is too far south for NATO to care.
A larger military would be a good way for Brazil to get some of its gangsters and drug lords out of its streets and into a more productive profession. Sad that it's not going to happen.
Brazil is unfortunately extremely homicidal! I wonder what extent genes vs. the environment play in the extreme Latin American homicide rates. Hispanics here in the US aren't that homicidal (apparently more so than whites but much less so than blacks), but they might be a self-selected group for less homicidal tendencies since gangsters and drug lords might generally prefer to stay in Latin America rather than to move to the US, where it's more dangerous for them to operate since the risk of law enforcement eventually apprehending them is much, much higher, most likely.
Tropic of Cancer... Pity.
Whelp. Looks like NATO is limited to inducting the Bahamas... because I doubt Mexico would join up, or be allowed to.
Whelp. Looks like NATO is limited to inducting the Bahamas... because I doubt Mexico would join up, or be allowed to.
lol if Brazil will buy the Canary Islands from Spain, then it would actually qualify for NATO membership, no? And Silbo Gomero would be a nice addition to Brazil, if they could actually make a Portuguese version of it: