The (self inflicted) Death of Europe

Captain X

Well-known member
Osaul
He's a friar and philosopher sanctified in the Catholic Church and one of the things he is most famous for is his 5 logical proofs of the existence of God.
Utilizing circular logic, but whatever, I guess it still has the word "logic" in it. ;)

I am mocking Captain X because he apparently understands interpretation of Christian scripture and meaning better than him and the entire Catholic Church and majority of Christians who ever lived given his flies in the face of one of the actions and philosophy of one of the most well known Christian Philosophers who is still well known and studied close to a thousand years after his death. I am mocking the cocksure atheist who believes he is smarter than all those idiots who believe in the sky man and knows what they believe in better than they do because he doesn't believe it himself.
:LOL: I don't view all of you as idiots, just mostly the young earth creationist types. The only real problem I have with any religious folks is when they try to legislate their religious views on the rest of us. I just view it as silly and contradictory that anyone would want to try to "prove" aspects of their religion to others when the entire point of faith is that you believe something even without proof. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called faith. ;)
 

FriedCFour

PunishedCFour
Founder
I don't view all of you as idiots, just mostly the young earth creationist types. The only real problem I have with any religious folks is when they try to legislate their religious views on the rest of us. I just view it as silly and contradictory that anyone would want to try to "prove" aspects of their religion to others when the entire point of faith is that you believe something even without proof. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called faith.
Because you have fedora tipping tier understanding of faith and religion that even though it's been tried to be explained you, you just keep going "wubba lubba dub dub god isn't real." As you then try to explain how to be religious and what faith means when you have completely forgotten it in your own life to those who do. You're just armchair preaching about how to believe in something you don't believe exists. Do you know how annoying it would be if I was constantly telling you how to be an atheist and how you should view things when I am not even one based on my skin deep understanding of your world view? Just shave the neckbeard and move on.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
Because you have fedora tipping tier understanding of faith and religion that even though it's been tried to be explained you, you just keep going "wubba lubba dub dub god isn't real."
:LOL:

As you then try to explain how to be religious and what faith means when you have completely forgotten it in your own life to those who do. You're just armchair preaching about how to believe in something you don't believe exists.
I haven't forgotten my time as a Christian in the least - it's a big part of why I'm an atheist now, after all. ;) But even when I was a member of the faithful, I never understood this need to "prove" aspects of the faith, because for me, believing without proof was the entire point. That's why that quote from Jesus is something that's never left me.

Do you know how annoying it would be if I was constantly telling you how to be an atheist and how you should view things when I am not even one based on my skin deep understanding of your world view?
What, like having some religious person lecture me on how atheists are amoral monsters who are all like Hitler and Stalin and view killing ants and humans on the same ethical level? ;)

Just shave the neckbeard and move on.
:LOL:
 

FriedCFour

PunishedCFour
Founder
I haven't forgotten my time as a Christian in the least - it's a big part of why I'm an atheist now, after all. ;) But even when I was a member of the faithful, I never understood this need to "prove" aspects of the faith, because for me, believing without proof was the entire point. That's why that quote from Jesus is something that's never left me.
Do you understand object permanence or is the only form of proof found when you directly looked at it? Did the world start when you were born or do you believe that it is much older than yourself, despite not directly witnessing it? Those words stuck with you, but you have an entirely foundationless interpretation of it that because Jesus said specifically of his resurrection that those who believe it without being an eye witness are blessed that means everything must be taken purely blindly and you shut your ears to the entire world around you. It's a bizarre interpretation the vast majority of denominations and theologians would disagree with, but apparently you cracked the code and they are all wrong and you have it right about how their faith works and how they are supposed to see the world, and you fail to understand the basic truth that faith and reason are not mutually exclusive in any way and that you exercise faith every day for all manner of things, but with reason as well, without needing absolute proof of it from your own eyes to believe it.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
I feel like we’ve gotten a little sidetracked here. Aren’t we supposed to be talking about how fucked Europe is unless they find their brains and start fixing things SOON?

A little more than just finding their brains, they will have to deal with peer pressure and not speaking their honest opinions, because frankly they will need to congregate in groups before outright saying it all

And that’s not accounting for how they maybe discriminated or persecuted or considered “bigots” at the same time by friends and family

Also, you can’t just rip out those millions of muslim migrants, where are you gonna send them? How are you going to do so without a violent pushback?

And that’s not taking into account how bad it would look on CNN
 

Arlos

Sad Monarchist
I feel like we’ve gotten a little sidetracked here. Aren’t we supposed to be talking about how fucked Europe is unless they find their brains and start fixing things SOON?
Meh, I am pretty convinced we are heading straight to civil war soon, the police, firefighter, medical staff and railworkers are all going on a strike, on top of the yellow vests who have been around for a year, relation between non muslim and muslim are completely breaking down, with recently an ambush by 50 muslim youth on cops, followed by a drawn out battle after the riot police intervened, they drew in the cops by burning a school.

Suicide for cops are through the roof, our industrial jewel are being destroyed by our president because of sales to foreign investor he made (for some reason, he sell profitable stuff as well) both as president and minister in the previous government, the foreign investor promptly wiped their asses with the agreement they had with the government and then took the technology, the know how, and finally fired everyone.

The way we describe our farmers now is: « Farmer are the only people in this country who wake up with the sun, and go work hard to impoverish themselves ».

Our president literally said in an interview that he was convinced he would finish his term with a bullet.

I am ignoring a lot of the stuff here, those things are just off the top of my head.

So yeah, just twiddling my thumb until it blow.
 
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Arlos

Sad Monarchist
@Arlos
You really serious about the whole Civil War part? I can’t see your Far Lefties as being brave enough to deal with guys actually deciding to shoot back
Problem isn’t just Lefties, it’s both Lefties and Muslim.
I also don’t make it a habit to underestimate potential opponent especially considering my life and those of everyone around me might actually be on the line, I know how scary fanatism can make someone, and there is plenty to go around on all side nowadays.
The divide probably won’t even be as simple as left/right/muslims.

“... A state is a human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly
of the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory.” -Max weber.


The problem lie in this quote, the Republic is losing its hold on the legitimacy of the use of violence, communauty (some political, some geographic) reject it more and more, and obviously, since the big guy is losing the legitimacy, then who should it go to then? Every group want it for themselves.
 
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Problem isn’t just Lefties, it’s both Lefties and Muslim.
I also don’t make it a habit to underestimate potential opponent especially considering my life and those of everyone around me might actually be on the line, I know how scary fanatism can make someone, and there is plenty to go around on all side nowadays.
The divide probably won’t even be as simple as left/right/muslims.

“... A state is a human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly
of the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory.” -Max weber.


The problem lie in this quote, the Republic is losing its hold on the legitimacy of the use of violence, communauty (some political, some geographic) reject it more and more, and obviously, since the big guy is losing the legitimacy, then who should it go to then? Every group want it for themselves.

To paraphrase a song CZena is rather fond of, when the Commonweal breaks down in society, it is time to lay aside your reading, and take up the Dominion of the Sword, and trust fate and fortune if only you have the courage to bury it to the hilt.
 

Arlos

Sad Monarchist
To paraphrase a song CZena is rather fond of, when the Commonweal breaks down in society, it is time to lay aside your reading, and take up the Dominion of the Sword, and trust fate and fortune if only you have the courage to bury it to the hilt.
Eh, I am not sure where this came from but I think I understand the sentiment behind it.
Picked up a rifle for the first time a few months ago, hopefully I will never have to use it on anything but animals.
 
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Eh, I am not sure where this came from but I think I understand the sentiment behind it.
Picked up a rifle for the first time a few months ago, hopefully I will never have to use it on anything but animals.

It's an old ballad of the English Civil War.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Meh, I am pretty convinced we are heading straight to civil war soon, the police, firefighter, medical staff and railworkers are all going on a strike, on top of the yellow vests who have been around for a year, relation between non muslim and muslim are completely breaking down, with recently an ambush by 50 muslim youth on cops, followed by a drawn out battle after the riot police intervened, they drew in the cops by burning a school.

Suicide for cops are through the roof, our industrial jewel are being destroyed by our president because of sales to foreign investor he made (for some reason, he sell profitable stuff as well) both as president and minister in the previous government, the foreign investor promptly wiped their asses with the agreement they had with the government and then took the technology, the know how, and finally fired everyone.

The way we describe our farmers now is: « Farmer are the only people in this country who wake up with the sun, and go work hard to impoverish themselves ».

Our president literally said in an interview that he was convinced he would finish his term with a bullet.

I am ignoring a lot of the stuff here, those things are just off the top of my head.

So yeah, just twiddling my thumb until it blow.
Talking about France?
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Yes, indeed.
Then I agree with your sentiment.

Civil war's a possibility. Only a fool would ignore the rising sentiments and yellow vests.

It's not going to be pretty but I know someone will be doing remove insert ethnic group/idealogical group when the civil war happens.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
To paraphrase a song CZena is rather fond of, when the Commonweal breaks down in society, it is time to lay aside your reading, and take up the Dominion of the Sword, and trust fate and fortune if only you have the courage to bury it to the hilt.

Lots of people who became soldiers, didn’t live extremely hard and dangerous combat based lives, they were normal people

You don’t need to throw kids at giant scorpions from a young age to make fighters

Give a man a sword, put him against the wall and eventually you have a fighter
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Lots of people who became soldiers, didn’t live extremely hard and dangerous combat based lives, they were normal people

You don’t need to throw kids at giant scorpions from a young age to make fighters

Give a man a sword, put him against the wall and eventually you have a fighter
I saw videos of the Syrian civil war.

One guy from vice interviewed a man who had a normal job and was driven to get revenge on Daesh members who imprisoned him.
 

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