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PsihoKekec

PsihoKekec

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The Unicorn said:
In this timeline the LC is setting up dozens of research centers before NAIS even exists.
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Where in the fic is it written that LC is setting up new research centers? For all we know they are sending datacores to manufacturers so the only research will be how to modify the production lines and designs.

The Unicorn said:
The point of NAIS, at least in 3016 was deriving military advantage from the 3000+very theoretical books he got from Halstead station. It was never intended as "interdisciplinary research and educational center" and by it's nature as a super secure facility would not be very effective as such if they tried to make it one.
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I suggest you go to Sarna and look up NAIS, it was built up from the start as both research and educational center, with NAMA forming it's basis. And it wasn't just Doctor Banzai who was doing interdisciplinary research.

The Unicorn said:
dozens of stations
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This 3016, LC wealth and resources are nowhere near the pre-coup Terran Hegemony. And even if they are boneheaded enough to try it, the biggest fear right now is that their enemies will steal their secrets, so how would LIC, which is according to OP overstretched at this point, secure these dozens of sites from infiltration? How would LCAF defend them from smash and grab raids?
 
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PeaceMaker 03

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I can see the FC still happening, but differently.
Slower build up, maybe with Melissa marrying Hask- Davion. Multiple thing can change if the union goes slower.

You have to remember the war you fight today, is with the Army you built 20 years ago. The doctrine the mindset, and the units you build, and the tech all build on each other.

Sports analogy, you do not build a sports program in a year or two, 10x that for an army/ military.

You can have a few good units, but it comes down to average performance across multi-spectrum ware fare, otherwise your doctrinal weakness can be exploited by the enemy.

Logistics weak avoid the military hit the tail, intelligence weak, control the recon/ intel and maneuver the enemy into blunders to be exploited.

But it does not matter speaker’s story.
 
Yellowhammer

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Tel Janin Aman said:
Did the smooth brains on SB kill this story?
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Simonbob said:
Short answer? No.
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PsihoKekec said:
No, there are always pauses of varying length between chapters. Now, can we keep the affairs of other forums in their appropriate subforum?
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As one of the Betas, he's still working on this, but RL has necessitated a bit of a pause (his muse is coming along slow with the next chapter, also some RL stuff).

PsihoKekec said:
And honestly the ''offending'' chapter was really well balanced, showing us details that usually get glossed over, but not in an accountant spreadsheet mode, like some nitpickers might have done it [whistles innocently]. Right now Weber's Holdfast is a company town and he wants to turn it into a viable world, creating a society that will function beyond the life span of it's founder, which means more than just throwing people, money, lawyers and tech at the problems as they crop up.
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I'd also like to point out that Julia plans to set up a non 'Company Town' society alongside him. For example, she's going to set up a college (CITE -- Catachan Institute of Technology & Education), although for a fair while it will be more of a 'community college' versus Harvard to help educate her subjects.
 
bobnik

bobnik

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One of the other things to point out is that the Halstead collection at NAIS was multidisciplinary, while the Catachan core was manufacturing only. Granted that's very useful, but it has no medical data, as an example. And even then it was data relevant to what Amaris was doing on that specific world, so for example it would not have the details for putting XL engines in hovercraft, or how to calibrate a gauss rifle in a Lee-class dropship. While not super extensive, (3000 books isn't really all that much) the Halstead library's probably broader base of first principles is more useful in the long run.
 
PsihoKekec

PsihoKekec

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And it's quite likely that developments in this story will butterfly away the creation of the Gray Death Legion, as the region will become much more important than OTL, so it's very unlikely that the idea, to garrison the world on the route between Tharkad and Catachan, will be greenlit. Thus the Caryle Commandos will continue and the Red Duke will have to find someone else to stalk.
 
Bear Ribs

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Not Trell, Grayson didn't go there. The ores were on Verthandi, which is currently Drac territory, and hired Grayson to train their militia for an independence strike. The Lyrans then garrisoned it so they could mine the ores themselves. This probably wouldn't be butterflied away since the ores are still there and Verthandi's population is still enjoying the wonders of Combine rulership.
 
PsihoKekec

PsihoKekec

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Trell is where GDL started, his fathers unit, Caryle Commandos was garrisoning it and someone on Tharkad came up with a brilliant decision to replace them with troops from a bandit kingdom. Who got turned by the Red Duke and attacked the Commandos, killing Graysons father. Grayson then started the resistance and GDL was born.
Since the area is an important logistics route instead of peripheral backwater, it is unlikely that the wise heads will come up with this wise decision TTL, so GDL will not be created.
 
The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
Nothing happening turns Trell into a hub. It might see more traffic at the jump points, bit nothing on Trell is necessary for what's going on with Catachan.

And who's to say the GDL doesn't still happen because a Steiner general wants to get direct control and influence of a piece of the newly growing pie.
 
PsihoKekec

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hpackrat said:
So instead, it might be Carlyle's Commandos that get sent to Helm?
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If the ''let's turn over a Commonwealth world to bandit kingdom'' doesn't happen, then Caryle's Commandos would be too small to be considered for Helm contract, it would be some other unit that would be of a similar size to OTL GDL. Which means Helm cache is either not found or gets blown up.

Of course the other option is that the Red Duke, decides that Trell is perfect for his long term plan against Catachan and finds another way to invade the planet, so the GDL still happens, but with some differences.
 
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bobnik

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The existence of the Helm cache is independently discovered by both the Red Duke and Comstar, triggering the events surrounding the GDL. Whether or not the GDL are there, those events probably have not been butterflied away.
 
PsihoKekec

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The cache has been searched for since the fall of the Star League, it's what got the world nuked in the first place. The question is when will it be found and how it will be opened (breaking in would trigger self destruct) without the presence of Grayson the Tactical Genius.

But then it is quite possible that I'm completely wrong and it won't be butterflied away.
 
bobnik

bobnik

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PsihoKekec said:
The cache has been searched for since the fall of the Star League, it's what got the world nuked in the first place. The question is when will it be found and how it will be opened (breaking in would trigger self destruct) without the presence of Grayson the Tactical Genius.

But then it is quite possible that I'm completely wrong and it won't be butterflied away.
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Others had concluded the cache still existed, and although it was Grayson who found the actual location, it was from clues available to others, should they spend the time looking. The lucky strike you need to open the cache without it self destructing is a memory chip containing the open codes that is part of the traditional regalia of the holder of that landhold (it looks like a fancy memory store and has maps of the ancient hold.) From what little I know, if you were patient, you could find the cache and then either hack your way in or figure out you need the chip. Given that two separate groups knew to look, patience may be in short supply.
 
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