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Looks like there's some division among Senate Democrats over stimulus payments to immigrants of dubious legal status.


Eight Senate Democrats supported an amendment to prohibit undocumented immigrants from receiving Wuflu stimulus checks. This occurred during the so called "votearama" where Congress critters only had sixty seconds to debate on bills due to the rapid nature of the voting taking place.

The measure to bar stimulus checks from going to illegal immigrants was introduced by Republican Todd Young of Indiana. Dick Durbin, the Democratic Senate Majority Whipping Boy said that “Neither Biden nor any Democrat is proposing in this package to give any money to any undocumented person. The question is if you are the legal child, citizen of the United States, of an undocumented person, should you receive a check? I say yes."

Previous stimulus checks were apparently issued to "mixed status" families which had undocumented individuals within them.

Politico said:

Progressives are already asking for an apology and pro-immigration groups are calling it a betrayal. Greisa Martinez Rosas, executive director of United We Dream Action, said the eight Democrats who supported the Young amendment “allowed themselves to be used as a tool to advance Republicans’ white nationalist agenda.”

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Husky_Khan said:

Looks like there's some division among Senate Democrats over stimulus payments to immigrants of dubious legal status.

Democrats split as progressives rage over immigration vote

The immigration status of those seeking new stimulus payments is dividing Democrats.

www.politico.com

Eight Senate Democrats supported an amendment to prohibit undocumented immigrants from receiving Wuflu stimulus checks. This occurred during the so called "votearama" where Congress critters only had sixty seconds to debate on bills due to the rapid nature of the voting taking place.

The measure to bar stimulus checks from going to illegal immigrants was introduced by Republican Todd Young of Indiana. Dick Durbin, the Democratic Senate Majority Whipping Boy said that “Neither Biden nor any Democrat is proposing in this package to give any money to any undocumented person. The question is if you are the legal child, citizen of the United States, of an undocumented person, should you receive a check? I say yes."

Previous stimulus checks were apparently issued to "mixed status" families which had undocumented individuals within them.

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Fuck dem immigrants, and fuck their kids. Using an anchorbaby should be grounds to immediate deportation, with the kid being removed from the register.

Urabrask Revealed said:

Fuck dem immigrants, and fuck their kids. Using an anchorbaby should be grounds to immediate deportation, with the kid being removed from the register.

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The anchorbaby practice is pretty thoroughly perverse. 'Birthright citizenship' is unlikely to be revoked though.

A possible solution, might be that it the child is born to parents not in the country legally, they are required to either give up custody of the child, or sign away the citizenship?

Also get deported, whichever they choose.

LordsFire said:

A possible solution, might be that it the child is born to parents not in the country legally, they are required to either give up custody of the child, or sign away the citizenship?

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Contrary to popular misconception, anchor baby families *do already* get deported --a citizen child doesn't have *any* effect on immigration status until they're an adult citizen who can sponsor relatives for a green card.

ShadowArxxy said:

Contrary to popular misconception, anchor baby families *do already* get deported --a citizen child doesn't have *any* effect on immigration status until they're an adult citizen who can sponsor relatives for a green card.

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Hm. First time I've ever heard of such a policy. Do you have any sources on it?

LordsFire said:

Hm. First time I've ever heard of such a policy. Do you have any sources on it?

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It's less a policy, and more a *lack of* policy -- having an "anchor baby" simply has no effect on the deportation process because there is no policy or law that says it *does* have an effect. As far as I can tell, the belief otherwise comes from the belief that there is a hard and fast rule that, "You can't deport a citizen", only that's not actually the case for citizens who are dependent minors. They *can* be deported, and are *routinely* deported alongside noncitizen family.

The earliest point at which an illegal immigrant can obtain *any* legal benefit from having an anchor baby is that it slightly improves their odds of qualifying for clemency, but they're only eligible to *apply* for that after ten years, and that particular clemency program is hard capped at 4,000 per year. Beyond that, an citizen can sponsor family for green cards and ultimately citizenship, but only an *adult* citizen can do so, and it's not an instant or automatic process.

It should also be pointed out that "birth tourism" is an actual thing, but its not a thing with *undocumented immigrants*; it's a thing with relatively affluent foreigners legally travelling to the United States on tourist visas to give birth here.

As having a US dual citizenship will make it easier for their child to travel and do business. Being a US citizen opens a great many doors, especially when it comes to getting loans, education, and moving in the upper circles of society.

lordmcdeath said:

As having a US dual citizenship will make it easier for their child to travel and do business. Being a US citizen opens a great many doors, especially when it comes to getting loans, education, and moving in the upper circles of society.

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Yes, that's why "birth tourism" is a thing. Birth tourists have no intent of immigrating to the United States; they just want their kid to have dual citizenship (without any actual attachment or loyalty to our country) for their own benefit. The U.S. has made some moves to crack down on the practice, but it's an issue that largely slides under the radar because tourist visas for wealthy Europeans and Asians are pretty much issued on a rubber-stamp basis.

The current immigrant groups in large part don’t vote or see America the way the right does, they and their childrens and their children’s children vote to take away guns, see the constitution from a non originalist POV, and want a larger government with a bigger safety net. This is regardless of their economic position and standpoint too, this applies as much to “meritorious” immigrants as it does to to illegal immigrants. We also have 76 million first and second generation immigrants that largely aren’t assimilating to the culture and Americans at home are being taught they have no culture and simultaneously that we have a culture of evil to be eradicated. If you oppose any or all of these things it makes no sense to then also continue to support mass immigration.

I have, perhaps, a couple of interesting angles on this issue as well, which both come from the perspective of a Native.

One is a rather bitter perspective, which is that Natives were effectively made into foreigners in their own homeland, and that there was a concerted effort to erase our cultures in order to "Americanize" us. And while things didn't quite shake out that horribly, and our original languages aren't entirely dead yet, the upshot is that we've at least been pretty well blended into the country where we haven't just been completely forgotten about. Many from the Native side of my family even served in the armed forces of a country which didn't seem to think much of them, going as far back as WWII, where my grandfather who gives me this heritage was wounded at the Battle of the Bulge. I guess my point here is that as difficult as it has been, our cultures have blended. So it really sticks in my craw to have these newcomers show up and demand that the nation be changed for them, rather than the other way around, and to have these leftists claim that it's racist to think that the people wanting to come here should actually embrace their new country instead of acting like they are colonists carving out a portion of it for themselves.

The other perspective is hinted at above - Natives have seen this shit happen already. While there is a certain schadenfreude element to it, it is only darkly humorous to me. Actually this angle is one of the ones I like to take in dealing with the regressive left, particularly if they ever being up colonization. Naturally they rationalize and make excuses about how they totally don't have the same attitude as those who tried to wipe out Native cultures, and them being intolerant of viewpoints other than their own totally isn't the same thing. And, as you might guess, I'd be in the minority (ha!) even among other Natives when it comes to my perspectives, as for the most part they're fully on board with identity politics.

Harass them at the restaurant. Harass them at the gas station. Harass them at the Department Store. That's what Representative Maxine Waters probably endorses as well.

If someone wants to come here to be a true American. They assimilate and want thier kids to grow up as Americans not as someone living in America.
I say let them in, legally, and make sure they follow the laws.

I know people that love this country and kids grew up smart and more American then families that have been here generations. Owned a motel. Indian family. Mother and father were immigrants.

I had friends with illegal parents as well.

They assimilated even as illegals.

Then you have the ones that don't. Look at Dearborn Michigan

Zachowon said:

If someone wants to come here to be a true American. They assimilate and want thier kids to grow up as Americans not as someone living in America.
I say let them in, legally, and make sure they follow the laws.

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We have enough people for a century that have immigrated in and are assimilating to leftism and globalism and helping to change the face of what the nation looks like. We don’t need any more. We don’t have mechanisms to ensure that they will assimilate when they do get here, and there’s just too many period. We need an immigration moratorium.

FriedCFour said:

We have enough people for a century that have immigrated in and are assimilating to leftism and globalism and helping to change the face of what the nation looks like. We don’t need any more. We don’t have mechanisms to ensure that they will assimilate when they do get here, and there’s just too many period. We need an immigration moratorium.

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Of we kick out all illegals, we will most likely have help from legal immigrants who are tired if the same issues we are.

We should always be welcome, but we shouldn't be as open as we are now.

Zachowon said:

Of we kick out all illegals, we will most likely have help from legal immigrants who are tired if the same issues we are.

We should always be welcome, but we shouldn't be as open as we are now.

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We shouldn’t always be welcome and no, legal immigrants and their children mostly vote blue.

FriedCFour said:

We shouldn’t always be welcome and no, legal immigrants and their children mostly vote blue.

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*looks at Cubans. Looks at the large amount of Pro Trump Hispanics in red states...*
Huh wierd.
Illegal immigrants are more likely to vote blue then legal ones who have been wronged by the dems.
Like how legal immigrants that are Hispanics are being treated like they are white because they won't treat them the same.

Zachowon said:

*looks at Cubans. Looks at the large amount of Pro Trump Hispanics in red states...*
Huh wierd.
Illegal immigrants are more likely to vote blue then legal ones who have been wronged by the dems.
Like how legal immigrants that are Hispanics are being treated like they are white because they won't treat them the same.

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Not remotely true lol. The only Hispanic demographic that even splits 50/50 is Cuban. Cubans had a large chunk of the population arrived as refugees, not economic immigrants lol. You’re just flat out wrong on this one bro. Look at Asian voting, the only demographic that comes close to more R is the Vietnamese which has the same status as the Cubans. Everyone else? Hard blue. How about you actually look at the voting demographics rather than just typing out *looks at the statistics*. If immigrants were actually voting Red Democrats would be against immigration and want to limit numbers. Illegal and legal isnt super relevant here. If you import massive numbers of Hispanics your country will look more like Hispanic countries, regardless of legality. I don’t want that, I want America.

FriedCFour said:

Not remotely true lol. The only Hispanic demographic that even splits 50/50 is Cuban. Cubans had a large chunk of the population arrived as refugees, not economic immigrants lol. You’re just flat out wrong on this one bro. Look at Asian voting, the only demographic that comes close to more R is the Vietnamese which has the same status as the Cubans. Everyone else? Hard blue. How about you actually look at the voting demographics rather than just typing out *looks at the statistics*. If immigrants were actually voting Red Democrats would be against immigration and want to limit numbers. Illegal and legal isnt super relevant here. If you import massive numbers of Hispanics your country will look more like Hispanic countries, regardless of legality. I don’t want that, I want America.

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America is more then white people Fried.

And plenty of legal immigrants hate Illegal immigration because it makes all thier hard work seem useless

Zachowon said:

America is more then white people Fried.

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Okay? And?

And plenty of legal immigrants hate Illegal immigration because it makes all thier hard work seem useless

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Yeah most don’t lol. They vote blue, their kids vote blue. Like everything you are saying here is irrelevant unless you can actually show me where the majority votes line up, which you can’t because they show exactly what I’m saying lol.

Pfft! Y'all are immigrants as far as I'm concerned.