Not to mention Joe is campaigning desperately in Minnesota (Can of Soda). That state has been solidly blue since the year I was born. But now the Biden campaign is extremely worried about losing it.
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liberty90
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That increase is still around 2% of the total Chinese GDP. For USSR it was 16.6% in 1987 (well, it's slightly hard to say, but in between 15-20% of the Soviet GDP).
Tell me this again when the PRC literally double their military spending, then double it again. And end electrification of transportation systems, that is ongoing - people look at this from the environmentalist perspective, but people here point out strategic dependence of the PRC on oil again and again. Well, in 2050 China shouldn't depend on oil.
Why should they attact anything in 2021? Like, let's even assume that China is utterly evil. That would be still like Stalin attacking the world in 1934. Completely inconsistent with their patterns of industrial planning.
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China is literally increasing thier capabilities to invade Taiwan, and have been breaking the ADZ of Taiwan.
Also, they are definitely on the edge of something. All I know that i can tell you
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
Understood, and of course their military expenses are rising, sure. But that's still not the Soviet-style militarised economy.
And look at something that environmentalists like very much, and that is indeed nice in a way, but would have interesting strategic implications ten/twenty/thirty years from now - Chinese ideas for electrification of transportation. Do you know that the most electric cars exist in China, not California?
Why should they attack now when in the future they may depend on oil less than now?Food for thought, do not answer of course if you are not allowed to.
Shenzhen's silent revolution: world's first fully electric bus fleet quietens Chinese megacity
All 16,000 buses in the fast-growing Chinese megacity are now electric, and soon all 22,000 taxis will be too
www.theguardian.com
CO2 emissions, uh-huh. Perhaps that's also important, but world is more complex than concerns about CO2 emissions.
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Well I am an analyst and I can tell you why I think off of this information here and information from other unclassified stuff.Understood, and of course their military expenses are rising, sure. But that's still not the Soviet-style militarised economy.
And look at something that environmentalists like very much, and that is indeed nice in a way, but would have interesting strategic implications ten/twenty/thirty years from now - Chinese ideas for electrification of transportation. Do you know that the most electric cars exist in China, not California?
Food for thought, do not answer of course if you are not allowed to.
They are expanding where they are fishing rapidly, intruding in other countries waters doing so, and will most likely be getting attacked by the countries that can actually threatened the armed convoys.
Attacking Taiwan allows them to get the annoying Thorne out of thier side, unrestricted travel around the immediate area without Taiwan being a threat and being armed with US weapons. They would now have even more acces to the sea there and would allow for increase in their fishing without having to worry about again Taiwan.
Taking into account how a lot of countries are wanting and starting to cut ties (for instance Samsung no longer has a phone factory there, and the two countries are pretty xlose) the election will decide on what happens honestly enough. If who ever wins is easy on China, they will take the chance now when only Vietnam and Japan pose a risk to them. Potential US involvement would prevent that. No other countries in SEA would try to defend Taiwan without a world power.
You could say India may try and get invovled, but China invading Taiwan would allow for less tension in the border between them.
The only reason the US would get invovled is if nK uses it as a reason to invade ROK and the US will get invovled there, potentially leading to a outbreak of world War with China but not because of Taiwan.
Electric transportation. Cool. They have already lost thier trust with the world, at least those willing to not bow down to them. Japan has moved thier stuff. Vietnam has tried to get people to move there for manufacturing.
Before COVID you would have a point, but with Taiwan calling out the WHO and China, as well as showing they are doing a LOT better, as well as being threatened if the US sells them weapons.
War is brewing. Iran or China will be the one to cause it. Taiwan isthe current focal point with China.
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
On the other hand, they encouraged Tesla to create a gigafactory in China, and try to make the whole island of Hainan another well-controlled competition to Hongkong.
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Questions raised over Hainan free port plan and WTO rules
China’s Hainan free-trade port has been suggested as a potential alternative to Hong Kong, but questions have been raised over its compliance with WTO rules.
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TyrantTriumphant
Well-known member
I'm not sure America has the capability for world war with all of the unrest at home. Depending on how bad the violence is after the election the rest of the world may be on their own.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
I still think they don't actually want to invade; they just want Taiwan to think that they're willing to invade, and are being forced to ramp up their threats because Taiwan is starting to realize that they're full of it. They might end up invading anyways, after backing themselves into a corner; but considering all their other issues, I'm not sure China is capable of taking Taiwan, let alone holding it. China is a bully; and as with all bullies, the image of strength they present falls short of reality.
And they are still struggling from the COVID fallout and are definitely rearing up to invade Taiwan. They are trying to make sure thier economy cant crash, and the two ways they can di that are take out your biggest enemy and take thier land to make your own. If they have Taiwan they will have a much larger ground to use then if they just made a single city.On the other hand, they encouraged Tesla to create a gigafactory in China, and try to make the whole island of Hainan another well-controlled competition to Hongkong.
Questions raised over Hainan free port plan and WTO rules
China’s Hainan free-trade port has been suggested as a potential alternative to Hong Kong, but questions have been raised over its compliance with WTO rules.
I can tell you right now if a draft goes it won't matter. Everyone will fight unless they leave country
They know Taiwan won't back down and since they bought those weapons from the US, they are going to have to invade or risk never having the chance
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Invading Taiwan wouldn't help them at all, economically speaking. All it would do is serve as a resource sink, when they can ill afford such a thing.
It would allow for future economic growth.
There are more things I could add to back up my point but I will stop here as I can not speak it. I stand by what I say.
Then again if Biden wins he may HELP Chinas economy to allow them to do such a thing.
That is to take into account.
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
But you know well, surely, that the PRC is currently utterly peacetime economy. Increases in military spending exist, but again, are nowhere near levels possible. China could afford to double it's military spending, but it choose not to. At the Soviet patterns of spending they would be utterly different beast, but again, they choose not to and still invest in much longer economic game.
China has to maintain economic growth in order for the CCP to maintain control of its population. The country has serious structural economic problems that are now or will soon be coming to a head. Sabre rattling seems to be a part of their governments strategy for dealing with this. But if war actually were to break out then China would lose very badly for the foreseeable future.
It is in China's best interests to maintain the peace. It is in the West's best interests to maintain the situation so that the price of any war for them would be so horrible as to make it an unacceptable option.
Anyway, a Biden presidency is hopefully not something that will happen because if his policies are carried through and peace is maintained it will be one to the advantage of China. The other option is a war which the USA and its allies will still win but possibly at a great cost.
So far I remain cautiously optimistic of Trump's reelection chances.
It is in China's best interests to maintain the peace. It is in the West's best interests to maintain the situation so that the price of any war for them would be so horrible as to make it an unacceptable option.
Anyway, a Biden presidency is hopefully not something that will happen because if his policies are carried through and peace is maintained it will be one to the advantage of China. The other option is a war which the USA and its allies will still win but possibly at a great cost.
So far I remain cautiously optimistic of Trump's reelection chances.
It should be pointed out China is having a food emergency now. If you have been paying attention to foreign news. China was stepping up it's fishing fleets because well they got kicked the fuck out of Africa due to their treatment of the natives. So they have gone whole hog into literally raping the oceans for food. China is about to have a massive collapse due to food shortages. Remember I was the one who told you guys about the Covid mess brewing in China back in December.
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liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
PRC is middle income industrial economy and thus their food issues are issues of trying to eat more and more fish, meat, and sugar per capita, not of pure caloric intake measured in grain and rice. That's not sub-saharan Africa. As any industrial nation, it could cut on food production easily with, if anything, positive health effects. The thing is, population starts to like more meat.
Floridaman
Well-known member
No, not quite between floods covid, and locusts China lost its rice crop. They literally have NO surplus food left it isn't no meat.
Sure don't take my statement but remember I told everyone about Covid before it was even a thing on the internet. I am telling you now about info that is being leaked over there. Don't be surprised when I am proven right....... Again.
f1onagher
Well-known member
China's food issue is a little more complex than that. At the moment I do not believe there is a legitimate calorie shortage and that it's wishful thinking on our part. What they do have is a badly overextended agricultural sector that requires six times the inputs its American counterpart uses to function. That is not sustainable in the long run, especially if China's financial games finally catch up with them. China's current moves strike me as less a reaction to shortage and more of a preventative measure for the future.
I believe you. It totally explains their aggressive fishing as of late.
And the three gorges dam it as max and might start flowing over or fail entirely soon.
China is in for some nasty shit.