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Had an "odd" idea from this thread, but because I'm curious, I don't suppose Imperial America could develop something of an "American" language descended from English?

Because personally, I don't think the influx of lots of foreign vocabulary will be the only significant change, as I imagine the language itself will come to accommodate the absorption of foreign peoples and colonial subjects who may struggle with its inconsistent grammar and orthographic rules. (e.g.: The institution of a standardized spelling system.)
Skallagrim
Skallagrim
The reality (hitorically as well) is that most people could speak a regular (on near enough to regular) form of the common language, and used that when talking to their social superiors. At home, they'd speak their own dialect. It seems quite probable to me that in the future, the West will see many people speaking a gamut of all sorts of languages, with most everyone speaking "Koine English" (to borrow the Greek term) as well. That being a cosmopolitan, "mingled" form of English for the universal era. And the elite will speak a more refined form of this, with deliberately classical, genteel affectations.

Naturally, it would be hilarious if the common, "imperial" English becomes known as "American", and the elite variety being "High American". Fanciful, of course -- but a fun idea.
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Hmm, fascinating.

Hopefully, future historians, archaeologists, and other experts will have more access to the writings and language of "common people" from the "Occidental Age" than we do for the average Greek or Roman who lived during Antiquity. I know you don't think inordinately much from our period will be preserved or well-remembered, but considering that literacy is universal, I imagine that finding diaries or letters written by your garden-variety Westerner will be easier to come across, finicky digital preservation notwithstanding. (And that's the key issue here, it seems.)
Zyobot
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Anyway, be interesting to have future English (or perhaps, "American") acquire a register or two, with the universal variant as "Standard American" and an upper-crust variant as "High American", similar to what you've said. (Though, I also expect many regional "American" dialects to develop, in addition to communities still retaining altogether different native languages.) That's already the case with Arabic, I believe, so if we're looking for modern-day parallels to future linguistic developments, that could be an indicator, too.
Actually, since you wrote a TL on his victory, I don't suppose you have any book recommendations on Thomas Dewey?

I don't much about him, but he strikes me as an interesting guy, especially given the contrast between OTL and what a "special" president he is in IYTL. (Any recommendations you might have for the Fifties in general would also be appreciated, if you're so inclined.)
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Aside from the sources you can find at the bottom of Dewey's Wikipedia page (biographies and such), I would definitely have to recommend the November 1948 issue of Kiplinger's Personal Finance, which extensively discusses everything Dewey up to & including how he's likely to behave as President based on both his campaign rhetoric/platform and actual record in government up to that point - as you can see from the link, pages 10-32 are taken up by a section literally titled 'What Dewey Will Do'. This was, naturally, my main source for Dewey's run in DDT.

There's a little bit in the page 350-360 range (can't remember the exact numbers) in J. Edgar Hoover: The Man and the Secrets by Curt Gentry that you may find interesting re: Dewey, as well. It was my source for why Hoover ends up becoming AG, then Chief Justice in DDT.
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Thanks, bro. Not a history major, but honestly, there are times when I feel like I missed out on a career I might've really enjoyed. :unsure:

Anyway, I don't suppose you've seen this C-SPAN Booknotes interview where Simon Montefiore discusses Stalin: Court of the Red Tsar? I haven't had the chance to read it myself yet, but judging by Montefiore's well-researched elucidation and evident passion for his craft, it's definitely something to add to my reading list. (I've also been looking to write an ASB story featuring lots of Greeks and Romans, as well, and there's little doubt in mind that—lack of charisma and military prowess notwithstanding—Stalin would've made a damn formidable power player in that environment.)
Out of curiosity, I don’t suppose you have some “ideas” about what we can expect from the rest of the 21st century?

For one, you strike me as a great deal less cynical than @Skallagrim, despite being more or less agreement that America will be Rome Reborn.
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I'm aware of that, yes.

However, I'm guessing by "conservative", you're probably referring to something that fuses the more localist and class-conscious governments of ages past with good ol' Classical Liberalism, especially since America will probably be at the head of the pendulum swing? (Personally, I'd be down with a return to the Old Republic and a more libertarian-esque approach to governance, similar to what someone like Ron Paul advocates for. But in any case, I don't expect the "transition period" between now and then to be... easy, let's say.)
Lord Sovereign
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I don't pretend to have a perfect prediction of the future, only something more along the lines of "leanings." I've little doubt America will embrace its constitutional heritage again alongside some tighter immigration laws (essentially what you've described). Although, one thing I think will be common among all post progressive paradigm countries is a semi-paranoia over leftism. It wouldn't entirely be unsimilar from what most modern Eastern European countries think of communism.
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Perhaps that's for the best. Granted, I think there are a few things worth salvaging, such as modern technology and a healthy regard for human rights, which I believe a more constitutionally-inclined America probably will retain.

As you say, there's no way to pinpoint what's to come exactly, though I once cooked up a more "impressionistic" scenario elsewhere, in which I "color within the lines" of @Skallagrim's macro-historical outlook by predicting a demonic Neo-Caesar who's basically a fusion of Thanos and Emperor Palpatine, followed by 1776 roaring back to life and bringing a kind, humble Luke Skywalker-as-Neo-Augustus to the forefront. (Under his rule, the central government is practically toothless, leaving conquests abroad to explorers, homesteaders, and business interests who engage in "privatized" imperialism that meshes Britain's trade-centric approach with the Wild West-style bonanza of 19th century America.)
Hey, shoot me a PM; there's something I'd like to ask you about and when I tried to send you a PM it said your quota was full.
Yeah, I don’t think I’ll be participating in the Politics section as much.

It’s less monocultural than AH.com, but I honestly don’t have it in me to argue with everyone, or scroll through threads chock full of people arguing with each other. (Yes, I know that’s to be expected on sites like this, which is why I’ll be sticking to less “argumentative” sections. So, please, do spare me the “Oh, poor you!” comments.)
The sky opens up. Light beams over every corner of the Earth, and the dead fly back into the shape of their living selves. And everyone hears a voice older than time, louder than the Sun, and clearer than space. "The first thing that you all need to know is that my pronouns are He, Him, and His. With a capital H."
Debil, learn to read at some point in your life!
Zachowon
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Nah, I feel like staying ignorant and not learning to read is better
Have some more creative-writing proposals in mind, and was wondering if I could run them by you via PM?

(Most of them aren't set in the same universe as my Two Empires scenario, though there's a couple far-future story ideas I've been toying with, in which the civilizations of 3000 A.D. or whatever inherit a mix of American and Chinese influences.)
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Thanks, bro.

Looking forward to discussing those as soon as I can craft some longer write-ups, though I don't suppose you've seen my second round of comments on your "Moderate Enlightenment" scenario, as well?
Skallagrim
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I'm working on replying to a few threads of discussion. This takes some time.
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Sure thing.

I know you're busy, so no rush. :)
Nice to see you replied to my thread.

Was wondering what you'd say, especially in light of your already-established views on what's to come at large. In which case, I don't suppose the twentieth century will be considered more of a "mid-Modernity" phase that builds on the nineteenth century, but is dwarfed by the carnage of the twenty-first?
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Well, yes. I think that in Classical Antiquity, you had the period between Alexander and Caesar, and in the middle of that period, you find the "civilisation-spanning" wars that defined Roman power in practice, readying the way for explicit imperialism later. In the same way, we have a period starting with Napoleon, and the World Wars (and the Cold War, in that sense) were the great conflicts of "Mid-Modernity", establishing American hegemony over the West. Now we wait for a counterpart of Caesar, whose ascent will close this era. That such a figure is to be expected, I don't doubt, as you know.
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Quite.

Personally, I still imagine that the carnage to end Modernity will be more of a "hybrid" of World War III and a series of civil wars across the West, rather than one or the other. I'll elaborate more in private, but given how fighting would bleed over borders and initially uninvolved powers would smell blood in the water, something of a "Great Global War" doesn't seem out of the cards to me. (The Mid-Modern conflicts, meanwhile, would be retroactively termed "Lesser World Wars", which—in light of the conflict to close out Modernity—is exactly what they'd be.)
I have enough knowledge to recognize that a swastika isn't inherently fascistic, but now I understand that a symbol of infinity is still very ominous for national iconography. Googol might as well be infinity for all human purposes.
Banhammered ehh? Tens of thousands of whites,latino's,asians,etc get raped,robbed and murdered every year but OH MY GOD THE NAUGHTY NO NO WORD in a moment of very human anger is a problem. I don't know you very well but good luck on you're appeal bro.

p.s. Don't forget to advertise this site to the right people, nothing would piss off the people who wanted you banned more than having new adversaries.


I know you're a "philosophical anarchist" instead of a true ancap, but still funny.

(Of course, you could probably swap out Nazism for Modernity and Ancapistan for Traditionalism, and that'd more or less align with what you foresee. ;))
Blessed art thee man of war who does not roareth of it from the fireside to others, but is willing to fighteth his own battles.
Zachowon
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Those who are willing to fight should be the ones that are allowed to advocate for war. Those who will not have personal stake should have no say.
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