You get a space colony

King Arts

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Inspired by this thread I saw.

You wake up tomorrow in a nice fancy room with a robot butler who greets you. "Good morning your excellency."

When you get out of bed you look out a window and see earth, you are in space on a giant city sized space station. The technology available on the space colony is both the technology that Elysium had all it's fancy medical pods, and shuttles, but also the technology that the principality of Zeon from Gundam has. So you also have mobile suits, minovsky particles, the science of and knowledge of newtypes, etc.
 

Val the Moofia Boss

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How did the air stay in Elysium? It didn't have a ceiling and I don't think the centrifugal force would have been enough to keep the air from leaving.

Anyway, if Newtypes are a thing then I guess I'd try going to a school for Newtypes and try awaking Newtype powers. Starting with Zeta Gundam, new technology called fin funnels were introduced that could be telepathically controlled by Newtypes. If that technology could be applied to anything, then theoretically I could "think" to turn on a light switch in another room without me having to get up and flip a switch or even speak. Also, being able to telepathically communicate with other people would be extremely useful. Also gives you precognition/foresight. Being a Newtype is also a must if war breaks out and I join a military, Minovsky particles will be used which will disrupt long range communication and prevent the use of missiles and remote controlled weapons, so Newtype powers are needed to control fin funnels and gain an edge in combat and to communicate with my teammates. If I cannot naturally awaken my Newtype abilities, then I could consider undergoing Cybernewtype treatment... depending on how evil the guys doing the treatments are. I don't want to have my memories wiped or become lobotomized. I think Gyunei might be the one and only Cybernewtype who underwent the program and remained relatively sane. Then again, no precognition kicked in for him when he needed it the most so he got murked by a simple trick, so maybe the therapy just wasn't strong enough for him?
 

King Arts

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How did the air stay in Elysium? It didn't have a ceiling and I don't think the centrifugal force would have been enough to keep the air from leaving.

Anyway, if Newtypes are a thing then I guess I'd try going to a school for Newtypes and try awaking Newtype powers. Starting with Zeta Gundam, new technology called fin funnels were introduced that could be telepathically controlled by Newtypes. If that technology could be applied to anything, then theoretically I could "think" to turn on a light switch in another room without me having to get up and flip a switch or even speak. Also, being able to telepathically communicate with other people would be extremely useful. Also gives you precognition/foresight. Being a Newtype is also a must if war breaks out and I join a military, Minovsky particles will be used which will disrupt long range communication and prevent the use of missiles and remote controlled weapons, so Newtype powers are needed to control fin funnels and gain an edge in combat and to communicate with my teammates. If I cannot naturally awaken my Newtype abilities, then I could consider undergoing Cybernewtype treatment... depending on how evil the guys doing the treatments are. I don't want to have my memories wiped or become lobotomized. I think Gyunei might be the one and only Cybernewtype who underwent the program and remained relatively sane. Then again, no precognition kicked in for him when he needed it the most so he got murked by a simple trick, so maybe the therapy just wasn't strong enough for him?
It's been a while, but maybe it was closed, so the "sky" had a celing and was just transparent like a window?

As for the Newtype stuff I should have put it in, but you are only given stuff Zeon had during the One year war. Now obviously you can make stuff that is shown farther in the timeline, but your people will have to invent it first. It's possible to have more advanced stuff like the Kshatriya with it's fin funnels. But for the most part Zeon used Zakus during the one year war right? But even with that one year war era Zeon should still be able to stomp any other current nation on earth.

As for newtypes as more people live in space newtypes will be born. However if later on you do go through being a cybernewtype you shouldn't have to worry about getting mind controlled I mean right now you start off as the dictator of the Principality of Zeon/Elysium. I guess if you pick bad subordinates it's possible.
 

Val the Moofia Boss

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It's been a while, but maybe it was closed, so the "sky" had a celing and was just transparent like a window?

I think there was a scene in the movie where a shuttle was flying into Elysium and there was no ceiling. The shuttle just went from Earth into space and then touched down inside the colony without passing through any airlocks.




If this space colony suddenly appeared in the present day, then the superpowers of Earth are going to freak out and assume alien invasion and probably try to take me out ASAP. I doubt the colony would have point defense guns or lasers capable of intercepting nuclear missiles, and even if they did that's still debris that is going to be hurling towards the colony at several kilometers per second and would cause a lot of damage. We won't be able to manufacture and install defenses for at least a few days. The colony's survival depends on how far away from the Earth it is. If it is in low earth orbit then a nuke could easily end us no problem. If the colony is placed at a Lagrange point, then current nuclear missiles won't be able to reach the colony... so the the superpowers would probably just remote control their satellites to smash into the colony. Hopefully the colony can immediately emit Minovsky particles to prevent the superpowers from issuing commands to their satellites. If not then it's probably game over and the colony is destroyed.

If I manage to survive the first few days after first contact, then at that point we should have countermeasures in place (point defenses manufactured and installed, Minovsky jamming preventing satelites from being remote controlled into the station) and then we just chill out in orbit indefinitely. With the population of a single space colony (capped at like 40 million people) we are incapable of any production planetary occupations (if you manage to recruit/conscript maybe 5% of the male population, you have an army of maybe 1 million men). I suppose I could successfully conquer small countries like in South America or Southeast Asia or Africa, but I'm not going to be able to take anything worth the effort. It would probably be best to just tow some asteroids from the Kuiper belt into Earth orbit and mine them and sell the materials to Earth.
 
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King Arts

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I think there was a scene in the movie where a shuttle was flying into Elysium and there was no ceiling. The shuttle just went from Earth into space and then touched down inside the colony without passing through any airlocks.




If this space colony suddenly appeared in the present day, then the superpowers of Earth are going to freak out and assume alien invasion and probably try to take me out ASAP. I doubt the colony would have point defense guns or lasers capable of intercepting nuclear missiles, and even if they did that's still debris that is going to be hurling towards the colony at several kilometers per second and would cause a lot of damage. We won't be able to manufacture and install defenses for at least a few days. The colony's survival depends on how far away from the Earth it is. If it is in low earth orbit then a nuke could easily end us no problem. If the colony is placed at a Lagrange point, then current nuclear missiles won't be able to reach the colony... so the the superpowers would probably just remote control their satellites to smash into the colony. Hopefully the colony can immediately emit Minovsky particles to prevent the superpowers from issuing commands to their satellites. If not then it's probably game over and the colony is destroyed.

If I manage to survive the first few days after first contact, then at that point we should have countermeasures in place (point defenses manufactured and installed, Minovsky jamming preventing satelites from being remote controlled into the station) and then we just chill out in orbit indefinitely. With the population of a single space colony (capped at like 40 million people) we are incapable of any production planetary occupations (if you manage to recruit/conscript maybe 5% of the male population, you have an army of maybe 1 million men). I suppose I could successfully conquer small countries like in South America or Southeast Asia or Africa, but I'm not going to be able to take anything worth the effort. It would probably be best to just tow some asteroids from the Kuiper belt into Earth orbit and mine them and sell the materials to Earth.

Hmm, well then maybe so the air goes out, the colony is instead a O'Neill one like they have for Gundam? Anyway in this scenario I assumed the colony would be put in one of the Lagrange points because if it was in low earth orbit, it would end up crashing into earth. You wouldn't even need operation British for this to happen.

So yeah you would be at a Lagrange point, and earth nations don't have any nuclear missles that are designed to go into space and hit something like that. Minovsky jamming could work.

Also if you feel like conquering(though peaceful mining is better) you still can conquer anyone even super powers like America, China, or Russia. 40 million is a lot of people. Plus you also have the high ground you can bomb military bases, cities, formations. While you might not be able to occupy and digest and incorporate nations with 200 million people or more. You can definitely bully them into giving you concessions or knock them around until they accept you have the biggest stick and put yourself at the top of the hierarchy. It would be colonialism similar to how Spain handled South America, or Britain dealt with India or China in the 1800's.
 

ATP

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If i survive nukes - destroy main military bases and satellites of countries which tried nuke me.Then mine asteroid field,and do not let countries who attacked send anything in cosmos.
Gradually take over South America and Africa/only not-muslim parts/.If Russia and/or germany try take over Europe,beat them and made protectorates there.
Otherwise,do not care.I would certainly do not occupy countries where populations belive in their countries,like China or USA.But destroy their military assets instead.
 

King Arts

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If i survive nukes - destroy main military bases and satellites of countries which tried nuke me.Then mine asteroid field,and do not let countries who attacked send anything in cosmos.
Gradually take over South America and Africa/only not-muslim parts/.If Russia and/or germany try take over Europe,beat them and made protectorates there.
Otherwise,do not care.I would certainly do not occupy countries where populations belive in their countries,like China or USA.But destroy their military assets instead.
Thank you for saving Europe. Poland really can go into space. Anyway so around half of Africa is Muslim, it might be easier instead of conquring it directly to just make allies with the non Muslim Africans let them do the heavy lifting and instead you support them with tech when they need it.
South America is all Christian, but America would be pissed at another country going into their back yard. They probably won't do anything directly because you are soo much more powerful. But try to see if you can use newtypes to catch spies or something.
 

ATP

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Thank you for saving Europe. Poland really can go into space. Anyway so around half of Africa is Muslim, it might be easier instead of conquring it directly to just make allies with the non Muslim Africans let them do the heavy lifting and instead you support them with tech when they need it.
South America is all Christian, but America would be pissed at another country going into their back yard. They probably won't do anything directly because you are soo much more powerful. But try to see if you can use newtypes to catch spies or something.

Yes,there is no way to create empire with people who do not want that.And muslim,hindu,China,Russia,Germany,Izrael and USA would certainly do not want it.
Japan and South Korea - maybe,maybe not.

So,i would divide world into 4 categories :
1.want join my empire.Moste african and South America would go for that.Central Europe,too.Poland would be covered becouse i am from Poland.Full economical and military support,they get better military when they could defend it.

2.Those which do not join,but i could rescpect them and they are not enemy of my state,Poland or catholic church - could go into cosmos with lesser technologies,defended from space from 3 and 4 categories.For example,Japan.

3.Do not attacked me,but are hostile to my state,Poland or catholic religion - for example Birma.Do not let into cosmos,but trade what i made.

4.Hostile and attacked my state - destroy their military and satellites,do not let build any again.Not trading anything.
 

PsihoKekec

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Looking at the original OP, you are the only human being on the station and far from being omnipotent.
Which means it's going to be difficult, because I would need to recruit people in order to run anything but the most basic functions. Thus I would need to bluff the heads of states that would be calling warnings, while trying to contact people i know from real life or internet, which I would then pick up in a shuttle, so I could form nucleus of HR/security service which will handle the immigration, so I can build a functioning society, instead of just a clique of gay nazi bodybuilders internet shitposters.

Work up deals with some nations to allow migration, instead of daring shuttle escapes of the chosen few, counterintelligence would have to work hard to limit the spy infiltration. I could probably trade rejuvenation treatments to rich and influential assholes, for various favors in this regard. Otherwise I wouldn't get involved in planetary business too much, technology superiority only goes so far and resentment at borderline alien interference could be a powerful unifying factor. Thus I would get involved in only the most onerous cases, otherwise I would focus on exploration and exploitation of the wider Solar system.
 

Val the Moofia Boss

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counterintelligence would have to work hard to limit the spy infiltration.

Now that I think about it, it would be incredibly difficult to prevent spies onboard the colony from communicating with other nations outside the colony. They wouldn't even need to use radio signals (which can be jammed/intercepted/decoded/traced/etc): if there is a window onboard the colony, they can place a card with a message written on it there, and then telescopes or satelites outside the colony could just zoom in on the window and snap a picture to receive information. Even if the colony has no windows, the spy could just then just get in a spacesuit, go 5 feet out the airlock and hold up the card. The spy going out the airlock could pose as a maintenance worker just doing a visual check of the exterior of the station or some piece of machinery or a valve or whatever. And data can be discreetly transmitted back and forth via laser. All of this could be done without using radio signals, so any monitoring of radio signals wouldn't give away that there is a spy on board.

I suppose a way to counteract that would be to have all windows and airlocks strictly monitored. Even so, the spy could try creating a small hole somewhere else in the station so he can show his message to the outside or put his laser transmitter/receiver in place, and the station would be huge enough that a small loss of air would be unnoticeable and pose little threat to the spy trying to do it.
 

King Arts

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Yes,there is no way to create empire with people who do not want that.And muslim,hindu,China,Russia,Germany,Izrael and USA would certainly do not want it.
Japan and South Korea - maybe,maybe not.

So,i would divide world into 4 categories :
1.want join my empire.Moste african and South America would go for that.Central Europe,too.Poland would be covered becouse i am from Poland.Full economical and military support,they get better military when they could defend it.

2.Those which do not join,but i could rescpect them and they are not enemy of my state,Poland or catholic church - could go into cosmos with lesser technologies,defended from space from 3 and 4 categories.For example,Japan.

3.Do not attacked me,but are hostile to my state,Poland or catholic religion - for example Birma.Do not let into cosmos,but trade what i made.

4.Hostile and attacked my state - destroy their military and satellites,do not let build any again.Not trading anything.
Good I like how you thought it up.
1. There are a few who will join up, it may take some time and it does depend on how much autonomy the states have. For example Hungary, while they are patriotic they may be willing to leave the EU for the goodies you have. They'd acknowledge you as leader of this alliance and would be willing to join as long as they get autonomy within there own borders. What would you call this alliance/empire the holy league?
2. Japan would want to ally with you simply because of the Gundams lol. The Gundam franchise is like there star wars, they also don't have any historical beef with Poland unlike Germany and Russia. Though in the past they did ban Christianity, now it is a legal religion, though most Japanese aren't Christian.
3. I'm not up to date with the most recent news but does modern day Burma oppress Christians? I know it's in east Asia so they can't be aggressive to European nations. But I do know nations like China, and North Korea oppress Christians.
4. Makes sense you don't want to let your enemies build up, and eventually destroy you.
So what would you call your nation, would it have a diffrent name than Earth Poland? Also would you try and get a Catholic priest on your space station to be recognized as a cardinal so you could maybe later try and get in installed as Pope, when the next Papal election happens?

Looking at the original OP, you are the only human being on the station and far from being omnipotent.
Which means it's going to be difficult, because I would need to recruit people in order to run anything but the most basic functions. Thus I would need to bluff the heads of states that would be calling warnings, while trying to contact people i know from real life or internet, which I would then pick up in a shuttle, so I could form nucleus of HR/security service which will handle the immigration, so I can build a functioning society, instead of just a clique of gay nazi bodybuilders internet shitposters.

Work up deals with some nations to allow migration, instead of daring shuttle escapes of the chosen few, counterintelligence would have to work hard to limit the spy infiltration. I could probably trade rejuvenation treatments to rich and influential assholes, for various favors in this regard. Otherwise I wouldn't get involved in planetary business too much, technology superiority only goes so far and resentment at borderline alien interference could be a powerful unifying factor. Thus I would get involved in only the most onerous cases, otherwise I would focus on exploration and exploitation of the wider Solar system.
You know if I remember correctly in Elysium didden't one of the people have some information uploaded, or downloaded into his brain? Couldn't this be used to download the memories of anyone you are thinking of being a citizen and then having an AI look over them to see if they are a spy? Though yes not getting involved in earth would be less likely to burn you.

Now that I think about it, it would be incredibly difficult to prevent spies onboard the colony from communicating with other nations outside the colony. They wouldn't even need to use radio signals (which can be jammed/intercepted/decoded/traced/etc): if there is a window onboard the colony, they can place a card with a message written on it there, and then telescopes or satelites outside the colony could just zoom in on the window and snap a picture to receive information. Even if the colony has no windows, the spy could just then just get in a spacesuit, go 5 feet out the airlock and hold up the card. The spy going out the airlock could pose as a maintenance worker just doing a visual check of the exterior of the station or some piece of machinery or a valve or whatever. And data can be discreetly transmitted back and forth via laser. All of this could be done without using radio signals, so any monitoring of radio signals wouldn't give away that there is a spy on board.

I suppose a way to counteract that would be to have all windows and airlocks strictly monitored. Even so, the spy could try creating a small hole somewhere else in the station so he can show his message to the outside or put his laser transmitter/receiver in place, and the station would be huge enough that a small loss of air would be unnoticeable and pose little threat to the spy trying to do it.
Well I spoke to the last person how you might be able to have a police states wet dream by having mind reading tech but even without that, many of your ideas while theoretically possible are extremely unlikely to work.

First off if there were windows on the outside, well I guess it depends on how it is structured. Gundam and Elysium don't have artificial gravity, they make gravity by spinning, thus the outside walls of the space station are actually the floor, it'd be pretty weird to have a window on the floor like that, but maybe it's a weird luxury thing, but even so to make gravity it would have to spin very fast, a normal telescope even if it could see that far wouldn't be able to see, now they might be able to record it so they can pause the video when the window the message is at is seen. But again this would require alot of things to go right like I said earlier, assuming that there is an actual window on the ground, or that the area is not monitored. Because space colonies would probably have cameras everywhere except maybe personal rooms/houses.

As for the second part about going out on a space walk, that would probably require permission and be recorded and known about in advance. You can't just allow anyone to walk whenever they want put on a space suit then go depressurize a room to go on a space walk, what if someone doesn't know that room is depressurized and opens it dragging him and other people in that section into space? So no you or the bureaucracy or the AI would know that someone asked to go out, and then things would need to get ready, like a sign saying danger, etc. A spy couldn't walk it with a cardboard sign without security or the technicians who are controlling the airlock seeing it. And that last part about making a small hole is the most wrong. Space isn't completely empty, there are micro meteors, and other hazards, you don't want to allow a small break to accumulate. If there is a damage to the structure especially the outside walls that is letting even a tiny amount of air out that is a serious hazard and there should be systems to notice that there is a hole in the colony. There should even be a back up system or two because that is extremely important and you would want that fixed as soon as possible.

No I think a better way for a spy to let out information would be to throw out some kind of data packet that sends the information to whoever in the trash. That's assuming the colony would just deal with trash by throwing it out into space.

A space colony would not have American style freedoms you wouldn't have a right to nearly as much privacy, a space colony could not allow anyone to go Allah Ackbar because such an action would be a mass death event. Space colonies would be more similar to Japan, or China or other east Asian nations where the authorities can and will investigate you without a warrant, because depending on how the colony is made if it is one big section then it could kill everyone. If it has multiple sections then a bomb inside could wipe out everyone in that section.
 

Val the Moofia Boss

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Your average space colony in Gundam is designed as an Island 3 Type O'neill Cylinder, where it alternates between big windows (that let light reflected by mirrors into the colony) and strips of land.

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To show the message to the outside world, a spy could place the message on one of the internal strips of land. A cylinder rotates about once every 2 minutes, so it'd be pretty easy for satellites in orbit around earth to rotate to look at the colony, zoom in through the window, and then see the message at the right moment. And if they couldn't snap it in time (or if the spy didn't set up the card yet), no biggie, it will rotate in another 2 minutes anyway, and there are a lot of other satellites in orbit that can be reoriented for the snap.

The second option would be to place the message in a room with a external windows, near the axis of the cylinder's rotation. Unlike option 1, satellites and telescopes wouldn't be restricted to seeing the message for maybe a few seconds once every 2 minutes; the message would be pretty much visible all of the time. However, I'm not sure if this section of the station would have restricted access, as it would be near the colony's spaceport.

A space colony would not have American style freedoms you wouldn't have a right to nearly as much privacy, a space colony could not allow anyone to go Allah Ackbar because such an action would be a mass death event.

Not necessarily. We see in Gundam the interiors of space colonies getting breached numerous times but they don't result in the colony's complete destruction. They have tech that can patch up holes really quickly. Unless the bomb that goes off inside the colony is nuclear (the station authorities should be able to detect radiation so I doubt that's getting past customs), explosions inside the colony shouldn't result in everyone dying.

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ATP

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Good I like how you thought it up.
1. There are a few who will join up, it may take some time and it does depend on how much autonomy the states have. For example Hungary, while they are patriotic they may be willing to leave the EU for the goodies you have. They'd acknowledge you as leader of this alliance and would be willing to join as long as they get autonomy within there own borders. What would you call this alliance/empire the holy league?
2. Japan would want to ally with you simply because of the Gundams lol. The Gundam franchise is like there star wars, they also don't have any historical beef with Poland unlike Germany and Russia. Though in the past they did ban Christianity, now it is a legal religion, though most Japanese aren't Christian.
3. I'm not up to date with the most recent news but does modern day Burma oppress Christians? I know it's in east Asia so they can't be aggressive to European nations. But I do know nations like China, and North Korea oppress Christians.
4. Makes sense you don't want to let your enemies build up, and eventually destroy you.
So what would you call your nation, would it have a diffrent name than Earth Poland? Also would you try and get a Catholic priest on your space station to be recognized as a cardinal so you could maybe later try and get in installed as Pope, when the next Papal election happens?


You know if I remember correctly in Elysium didden't one of the people have some information uploaded, or downloaded into his brain? Couldn't this be used to download the memories of anyone you are thinking of being a citizen and then having an AI look over them to see if they are a spy? Though yes not getting involved in earth would be less likely to burn you.


Well I spoke to the last person how you might be able to have a police states wet dream by having mind reading tech but even without that, many of your ideas while theoretically possible are extremely unlikely to work.

First off if there were windows on the outside, well I guess it depends on how it is structured. Gundam and Elysium don't have artificial gravity, they make gravity by spinning, thus the outside walls of the space station are actually the floor, it'd be pretty weird to have a window on the floor like that, but maybe it's a weird luxury thing, but even so to make gravity it would have to spin very fast, a normal telescope even if it could see that far wouldn't be able to see, now they might be able to record it so they can pause the video when the window the message is at is seen. But again this would require alot of things to go right like I said earlier, assuming that there is an actual window on the ground, or that the area is not monitored. Because space colonies would probably have cameras everywhere except maybe personal rooms/houses.

As for the second part about going out on a space walk, that would probably require permission and be recorded and known about in advance. You can't just allow anyone to walk whenever they want put on a space suit then go depressurize a room to go on a space walk, what if someone doesn't know that room is depressurized and opens it dragging him and other people in that section into space? So no you or the bureaucracy or the AI would know that someone asked to go out, and then things would need to get ready, like a sign saying danger, etc. A spy couldn't walk it with a cardboard sign without security or the technicians who are controlling the airlock seeing it. And that last part about making a small hole is the most wrong. Space isn't completely empty, there are micro meteors, and other hazards, you don't want to allow a small break to accumulate. If there is a damage to the structure especially the outside walls that is letting even a tiny amount of air out that is a serious hazard and there should be systems to notice that there is a hole in the colony. There should even be a back up system or two because that is extremely important and you would want that fixed as soon as possible.

No I think a better way for a spy to let out information would be to throw out some kind of data packet that sends the information to whoever in the trash. That's assuming the colony would just deal with trash by throwing it out into space.

A space colony would not have American style freedoms you wouldn't have a right to nearly as much privacy, a space colony could not allow anyone to go Allah Ackbar because such an action would be a mass death event. Space colonies would be more similar to Japan, or China or other east Asian nations where the authorities can and will investigate you without a warrant, because depending on how the colony is made if it is one big section then it could kill everyone. If it has multiple sections then a bomb inside could wipe out everyone in that section.

1.Poland once had one state with Hungary - we had one King,but counries had its own laws and even armies.
So,we could do that again,with addition that in space there would be only Kingdom Navy.And secret services which cooperate with those of united countries.The same foreign policy,too.

2.Most japaneese do not belive in any religion - althought almost all go to buddist and shinto shrines once per year,and gave presents each other on Christmas.Funny country.But indeed,they would go for alliance,and i do not mind them in space/but always with inferior technology/

3.yes,Birma opress christians.Mainly protestants,but i would still do not let them in space till they do such thing.

4.Polish Commonwealth,just like before partitions.And i would ask traditional catholic priests which still use latin mass of Saint pope Pius.Of course,i would still support Vatican,but not when they worshipp Pachamama.

All possible,if i have 40 millions citizen.Without them - made secret contact with polish nationalists and normal catholics,and take them with famillies to station.
Then start mining asteroid belt,and do not involve in Earth unless somebody kill normal poles or normal catholics.Then burn him.
Do not let anybody get my technology,and destroy satellites belonging to states which attacked me or normal poles/catholics.

That would be all.If somebody kill poles who work for germany,Russia or Israel,i would not care.The same for fake catholics.
 

King Arts

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Your average space colony in Gundam is designed as an Island 3 Type O'neill Cylinder, where it alternates between big windows (that let light reflected by mirrors into the colony) and strips of land.

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To show the message to the outside world, a spy could place the message on one of the internal strips of land. A cylinder rotates about once every 2 minutes, so it'd be pretty easy for satellites in orbit around earth to rotate to look at the colony, zoom in through the window, and then see the message at the right moment. And if they couldn't snap it in time (or if the spy didn't set up the card yet), no biggie, it will rotate in another 2 minutes anyway, and there are a lot of other satellites in orbit that can be reoriented for the snap.

The second option would be to place the message in a room with a external windows, near the axis of the cylinder's rotation. Unlike option 1, satellites and telescopes wouldn't be restricted to seeing the message for maybe a few seconds once every 2 minutes; the message would be pretty much visible all of the time. However, I'm not sure if this section of the station would have restricted access, as it would be near the colony's spaceport.



Not necessarily. We see in Gundam the interiors of space colonies getting breached numerous times but they don't result in the colony's complete destruction. They have tech that can patch up holes really quickly. Unless the bomb that goes off inside the colony is nuclear (the station authorities should be able to detect radiation so I doubt that's getting past customs), explosions inside the colony shouldn't result in everyone dying.

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Interesting thanks for the information. It's been a while since I watched Gundam like years so I forgot everything. I'll have to rewatch it, but wasn't fighting in a colony considered dangerous and insane? So those bubbles that seal up holes in emergencies would be in like every room sort of like fire extinguishers. But if there is a hole in the big open areas and you don't have a gundam or ship to shoot white goop you are kinda screwed. Though maybe emergency services like police vehicles, or ambulances or fire trucks would have those things as a cannon to shoot it out. Also hopefully there would be more layers and it's only actual military grade stuff that could open a hole there, and not home made bombs. Still I always was nervous about holes in space ships ever since I watched one of the alien movies where the Alien got killed by a small hole that was like an inch big ended up sucking it out and crushing and folding it and pulling the alien out into space. Would a hole in a space ship be more like that, or more like an open door or window on an air plane where yes there is wind rushing out, but you can stand up and not get dragged out?


I remember watching some of this stuff on toonami in the old days. Good childhood memories.

1.Poland once had one state with Hungary - we had one King,but counries had its own laws and even armies.
So,we could do that again,with addition that in space there would be only Kingdom Navy.And secret services which cooperate with those of united countries.The same foreign policy,too.

2.Most japaneese do not belive in any religion - althought almost all go to buddist and shinto shrines once per year,and gave presents each other on Christmas.Funny country.But indeed,they would go for alliance,and i do not mind them in space/but always with inferior technology/

3.yes,Birma opress christians.Mainly protestants,but i would still do not let them in space till they do such thing.

4.Polish Commonwealth,just like before partitions.And i would ask traditional catholic priests which still use latin mass of Saint pope Pius.Of course,i would still support Vatican,but not when they worshipp Pachamama.

All possible,if i have 40 millions citizen.Without them - made secret contact with polish nationalists and normal catholics,and take them with famillies to station.
Then start mining asteroid belt,and do not involve in Earth unless somebody kill normal poles or normal catholics.Then burn him.
Do not let anybody get my technology,and destroy satellites belonging to states which attacked me or normal poles/catholics.

That would be all.If somebody kill poles who work for germany,Russia or Israel,i would not care.The same for fake catholics.
1. Well yeah you have to have the same foreign policy otherwise you aren't the same nation, you could have it be as diverse as you want inside the borders, but for dealing with other states there has to be one direction.
2. Yeah, so the second category would be non Christian nations that aren't hostile to either Christianity or Poles like Japan their religion doesen't matter? And the first category is nations that are part of the Commonwealth. To join the Commonwealth what requirements would you put in? Would it be Catholic only, or is it ok as long as the nation is Christian? For example if Ukraine wanted to join up for good trade and protection from Russia, even if they are Orthodox?
3. Huh did not know that, think you for informing me.
4. Polish Commonwealth in space. Say what would your title be? I remember reading something cool that Poland is officially a monarchy but Jesus Christ is the legal king. So would you be called regent, or consul, or president?

As for Poles that are working for Germany, Israel, or Russia you mean as a spy or a traitor against Poland right? If a Polish guy is in Germany working as an accountant or whatever that doesn't count right?
 

Bear Ribs

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Interesting thanks for the information. It's been a while since I watched Gundam like years so I forgot everything. I'll have to rewatch it, but wasn't fighting in a colony considered dangerous and insane? So those bubbles that seal up holes in emergencies would be in like every room sort of like fire extinguishers. But if there is a hole in the big open areas and you don't have a gundam or ship to shoot white goop you are kinda screwed. Though maybe emergency services like police vehicles, or ambulances or fire trucks would have those things as a cannon to shoot it out. Also hopefully there would be more layers and it's only actual military grade stuff that could open a hole there, and not home made bombs. Still I always was nervous about holes in space ships ever since I watched one of the alien movies where the Alien got killed by a small hole that was like an inch big ended up sucking it out and crushing and folding it and pulling the alien out into space. Would a hole in a space ship be more like that, or more like an open door or window on an air plane where yes there is wind rushing out, but you can stand up and not get dragged out?


I remember watching some of this stuff on toonami in the old days. Good childhood memories.
Air pressure isn't really enough to fold and crush a person. Your skin is actually tough enough to take the pressure and if you blocked a one-inch hole with your hand (It wouldn't be enough to suck your hand on) the result would be your skin blocking the hole and you eventually getting a hickey on that spot (and likely a heavy sunburn from radiation on that inch of skin). A person can actually survive several minutes in a vacuum and fully recover as long as they get atmosphere again, with ninety seconds to two minutes being the area estimated to be full recovery after a few minutes and injuries piling up from there. Bowman's spacewalk without his helmet in 2001: A Space Odyssey was actually quite plausible.


If I've done my math right, wind force from a hole in a station is dependent on size, and you start getting towards hurricane-force winds as you get up around a meter or more (I assumed only perfectly circular holes for the equation to ease the math, I'm not able to determine if weird shapes like long slashes would be different, this was purely area). A pinhole would actually lose air so slowly it would probably just get fixed when the weekly maintenance crew went by, a fist-sized hole would be a barely-noticeable breeze and require a call from the custodian, and a half-meter hole would be a very strong gusty wind, you'd be able to stand against it in 1G but it would be like walking in Chicago. Once you get to human-sized holes the wind would be sufficient to start dragging people and throwing things around, and require automatic goop-ball dispensers.
 

ATP

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Interesting thanks for the information. It's been a while since I watched Gundam like years so I forgot everything. I'll have to rewatch it, but wasn't fighting in a colony considered dangerous and insane? So those bubbles that seal up holes in emergencies would be in like every room sort of like fire extinguishers. But if there is a hole in the big open areas and you don't have a gundam or ship to shoot white goop you are kinda screwed. Though maybe emergency services like police vehicles, or ambulances or fire trucks would have those things as a cannon to shoot it out. Also hopefully there would be more layers and it's only actual military grade stuff that could open a hole there, and not home made bombs. Still I always was nervous about holes in space ships ever since I watched one of the alien movies where the Alien got killed by a small hole that was like an inch big ended up sucking it out and crushing and folding it and pulling the alien out into space. Would a hole in a space ship be more like that, or more like an open door or window on an air plane where yes there is wind rushing out, but you can stand up and not get dragged out?


I remember watching some of this stuff on toonami in the old days. Good childhood memories.


1. Well yeah you have to have the same foreign policy otherwise you aren't the same nation, you could have it be as diverse as you want inside the borders, but for dealing with other states there has to be one direction.
2. Yeah, so the second category would be non Christian nations that aren't hostile to either Christianity or Poles like Japan their religion doesen't matter? And the first category is nations that are part of the Commonwealth. To join the Commonwealth what requirements would you put in? Would it be Catholic only, or is it ok as long as the nation is Christian? For example if Ukraine wanted to join up for good trade and protection from Russia, even if they are Orthodox?
3. Huh did not know that, think you for informing me.
4. Polish Commonwealth in space. Say what would your title be? I remember reading something cool that Poland is officially a monarchy but Jesus Christ is the legal king. So would you be called regent, or consul, or president?

As for Poles that are working for Germany, Israel, or Russia you mean as a spy or a traitor against Poland right? If a Polish guy is in Germany working as an accountant or whatever that doesn't count right?


1.You are right.
2A.Commonwealth - people who belong to the same cyvilisation as we.
To be precize - latin cyvilization according to Felix Koneczny theory/which explain many things - for example,why jews in USA are still voting for Democrats/.
Ukraine belong to other cyvilization,so they could be 2 if they stop be hostile or 4 if they continue to worship genociders from UPA.
2B - each nation who is not hostile to Poland or catholic religion could be ally.
3.British and USA protestants convicted many minorities in Birma to become protestants.Burma junta is is try to made them all buddhists and birma nationalist.But,i still not let them in space with my technology.Or China.
4.From 1656 Holy Mary is officially Queen of Poland,and in 2016 some of us declared that Jesus is King.
So yes,i would be regent.

5.Of course poles working in german factory is not traitor,only those who work for german goverment or secret service ,like Donald Tusk.The same going for those working for Russia/Israel goverment/secret services.
About germany - i would welcome bavarian and other catholics to Commonwealth if they become free again.
Saxony did nothing wrong to us,so they could be category 2.Our problem are old prussians and new neomarxists.
 

aguy1013

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first ill check inventory of everything , then depending on how will i have then i will simply declare im an independent space colony with cures to all known diseases, then wait and prepare for a response ,since any weapon they can use will be blinded cause of the minosky particles and while waiting ill be joyriding on a zaku 1 or zaku 2 while making the robots collect space debris to get more raw materials to make more machines
 

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