Worm Wormverse Thread, Version TheSietch

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
People call “deconstruction” things that aren’t deconstructions in order to make the work more popular. Especially TV Tropes. I mean, when they claim Rising of a Shield Hero is a “deconstruction.” Which is... LoL.

Yeah, and as I said before “Deconstructions” can also just be mean spirited parodies by say, adding a HUGE load of horrible issues on a character.

Andrew Ryan from what I know is supposed to be a John Galt-expy except that he’s extremely corrupt and not fair when it comes to business. Also, I’m pretty sure “Objectivism” is willing to allow for non-material stuff as an exchange of sorts.
 

The Name of Love

Far Right Nutjob
Yeah, and as I said before “Deconstructions” can also just be mean spirited parodies by say, adding a HUGE load of horrible issues on a character.

Andrew Ryan from what I know is supposed to be a John Galt-expy except that he’s extremely corrupt and not fair when it comes to business. Also, I’m pretty sure “Objectivism” is willing to allow for non-material stuff as an exchange of sorts.
Yes, Andrew Ryan isn't a perfect Randian superman, but maybe that's the point. Maybe the point was that such an ideal is impossible because it doesn't match human nature?

If you forget the word "deconstruction" and focus on the message itself, Bioshock is more like a refutation of Ayn Rand's philosophy.



But I digress. This doesn't have much to do with Worm.

What I'd like to know is what you think is a deconstruction really is and if Worm counts as one for superhero fiction. I am convinced that Worm was just an attempt at a darker superhero setting, though not a particularly realistic one.
 

Ganurath

Well-known member
Deconstruction, in my mind, is about taking a work or genre, and exploring the implications of the content and/or tropes invoked as part of it, with an intent to point out flaws. I'd say that Worm was more of an attempt at a Reconstruction, which takes those flaws and tries to work with them to make a more internally consistent setting. However, since the author has a distinct worldview, the Reconstruction wound up being so dark as to come across as critical, and thus be mistaken for a Deconstruction.
 

The Name of Love

Far Right Nutjob
Well, one thing it got "realistic" was how most if not all Capes were plain-to-ugly in appearance.

Eidolon's an ugly middle aged man of average or maybe kinda overweight physique in-spite of being one of the most powerful superheroes on the planet.
That's not actually realistic though. That's just ugly for no reason.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
That's not actually realistic though. That's just ugly for no reason.

Well, in the first place, doubt having superpowers, both the badass normal, the super-science and magical kind will conveniently go to the attractive body type people or become them.

Not every guy in Worm has a very healthy and muscular physique, nor is every girl even pretty except New Wave minus mousy freckled Panacea
 

The Name of Love

Far Right Nutjob
Well, in the first place, doubt having superpowers, both the badass normal, the super-science and magical kind will conveniently go to the attractive body type people or become them.

Not every guy in Worm has a very healthy and muscular physique, nor is every girl even pretty except New Wave minus mousy freckled Panacea
There's a middle spot between "not a ten out of ten" and "ugly."
 

Ganurath

Well-known member
It's one of Eidolon's character traits that he isn't very sociable, holding himself so far above others that he likely doesn't care how they perceive them beyond "the greatest hero alive." Why would he waste his waning power on how he looks out of costume when he spends all his time in costume, anyhow?
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
It's one of Eidolon's character traits that he isn't very sociable, holding himself so far above others that he likely doesn't care how they perceive them beyond "the greatest hero alive." Why would he waste his waning power on how he looks out of costume when he spends all his time in costume, anyhow?

I'd have expected for him to have given himself full perfect health rather than just remove whatever genetic defects he was born with


Speaking of Eidolon, here's a pic I recommend....him being ugly does NOT prevent a sort of thing with how Carpenter girls fall in love. I await for him to crush any hopes of that with a Thinker power
 

Curved_Sw0rd

Just Like That Bluebird
Anyone got some plot bunnies they've been sitting on? I've been recalling Firefly, which had a rule 63 version of Lung, which was played out in such a way it completely transformed Lung and the ABB as a presence in the Bay.

I've been wondering if there's anyone else who'd be radically different in a way that alters the plot as hard as that. And to be fair, rule 63 completely alters one's state of mind and approach to things. The question is, who?
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
I've been wondering if there's anyone else who'd be radically different in a way that alters the plot as hard as that. And to be fair, rule 63 completely alters one's state of mind and approach to things. The question is, who?

I’d be tempted to go with Max “Kaiser” Anders....for an NSFW idea

Doubt being a mom instead of a dad would make him much better or worse than canon, plus as a she, probably not exactly keen on popping out babies as it’d be using up time she could be using to conquer the Bay
 

Curved_Sw0rd

Just Like That Bluebird
I’d be tempted to go with Max “Kaiser” Anders....for an NSFW idea

Doubt being a mom instead of a dad would make him much better or worse than canon, plus as a she, probably not exactly keen on popping out babies as it’d be using up time she could be using to conquer the Bay
Hehe... Honestly I've given some thought to swapping Vicky and Sophia both. Vicky as a dude would have different problems, as she already had problems with hitting people too hard as a girl. Dude!Vic would probably have to hide a body. And would need a girlfriend to take Dean's place, though there's not reason they couldn't be good friends.

And I can see Dude!Sophia being a bit more, well, Batman-y than in Canon, which would lead to different tactics, a different approach to fighting, and might even evade becoming a Ward or the Alleyway altogether.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Hehe... Honestly I've given some thought to swapping Vicky and Sophia both. Vicky as a dude would have different problems, as she already had problems with hitting people too hard as a girl. Dude!Vic would probably have to hide a body. And would need a girlfriend to take Dean's place, though there's not reason they couldn't be good friends.

And I can see Dude!Sophia being a bit more, well, Batman-y than in Canon, which would lead to different tactics, a different approach to fighting, and might even evade becoming a Ward or the Alleyway altogether.

Amy wants to be “that girl” and calls Vic “Onii-chan” while being sorta flat-toned yet secretly a Yandere who’s also sad that her looks are pretty plain

Except possibly worse, maybe actually closer to those accusations of Batman being a sort of “bully” who “victimizes” the criminal population because he beats them up a lot instead of having some sort of perfect miracle record wherein they come in peacefully or something
 

Ganurath

Well-known member
Anyone got some plot bunnies they've been sitting on? I've been recalling Firefly, which had a rule 63 version of Lung, which was played out in such a way it completely transformed Lung and the ABB as a presence in the Bay.

I've been wondering if there's anyone else who'd be radically different in a way that alters the plot as hard as that. And to be fair, rule 63 completely alters one's state of mind and approach to things. The question is, who?
Plot Bunnies In General:
The "drunk" driver was an E88 initiate, who killed Annette as a message to Danny to stop trying to reopen the ferry. Lisa puts the pieces together when she and Brian are dropping Taylor off after Bakuda's bombing spree, and only just manages to keep her mouth shut enough to avoid outing herself. This causes some dramatic butterflies around the time Coil makes his pitch. Side plots could include stuff like Triumph's vial having been paid for by bribes from the Empire, or Aisha's canon trigger being butterflied into something else.

An OC Tinker with the Cell methodology, possibly a Self Insert but not necessarily, uses tinker-monster pit fights (charge people for a chance to 'pilot' one) to fund a crime ring being established in the Docks, and uses that as a springboard into fixing Brockton Bay through the power of applied capitalism. Side plots include gang business causing people to trigger, conflict with the various canon groups in the city, and the general moral dilemmas of being a villain with a power that uses people as a fuel resource.

Rule 63 Story:
Reanimation, by Mujaki is a Rule!63 Taylor that... if Worm is a dark reprise of the superhero genre, then Reanimation is a dark reprise of harem comedy.

Rule 63 Plot Bunny:
Sophia Stephen convinces Emma Emmett that he should do something to quit being "strung along" by Taylor, recommending leaving her over pushing things to the next level because "a girl like that isn't worth it." Setting aside the childhood friendship with Taylor makes the freshman class's heartthrob available, and rumors circulate as to how Taylor could've fucked that up so badly over the summer, to the complete ignorance of Emmett and Stephen. Madison, banking on her similar looks to Taylor and contrasting personality, spearheads things while trying to win Emmett's attention. As per canon, Taylor initially tries to fight the bullying, but without witness support it just leads to her losing faith in the staff... and the matter coming to the attention of Emmett and Stephen. Emmett dislikes things, but Stephen thinks this Madison girl is a much better fit for a "winner" like Emmett, and suggests he give her a shot. Knowing Stephen to be too busy for more than casual dating thanks to cape stuff, Emmett hooks up with Madison. Rumors haunt and isolate Taylor, but aside from occasional antagonism from Madison things aren't quite as bad as canon. Danny knows, for example, that Taylor isn't friends with Emmett anymore because "his girlfriend is a bitch." Things came to a head over winter break the following year when, at Madison's recommendation, an olive branch is offered in a form of a double date at the New Year's Eve party she's hosting. Emmett with Madison, and Taylor with Stephen.
 

The Name of Love

Far Right Nutjob
Rule 63 Story:
Reanimation, by Mujaki is a Rule!63 Taylor that... if Worm is a dark reprise of the superhero genre, then Reanimation is a dark reprise of harem comedy.
What is this? We don't have a lot of information here. Why is it a darker harem? Are the girls all evil/crazy? Are the circumstances they fall in love with male!Taylor really, really bad? What are we talking about here?
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
@The Name of Love
Since you’re sorta into the whole religious conservative sort of oversexualisation and women needing to actually help make families and care for them

Here’s a close enough idea
Taylor triggers with her canon abilities but with a strange effect of becoming an MGE!Kikimora

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As a Bird-Dog Meido with telepathic abilities that control large numbers of arthropods or beings with simple nervous systems

Her newfound obsession with cleanliness, housekeeping, sewing and cooking clash with her use of such dirty beings

But her newfound obsession with cleanliness translates to CLEANING UP CRIME!!!

By day, she is the surprisingly successful owner of a newfound restaurant and its only cook, waitress and janitor, Taylor Hebert.

By night, she is The Cleaner, a batman-esque superheroine with bug powers who looks like a cute meido, who makes criminals scared and superstitious. Using cleaning utensils and stuff made via her bugs(I think she has a minor tinker rating in canon due to her chitin armor)and her bugs themselves and a fighting style based off cleaning.

She is a terror on the criminals of Brockton Bay

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Lustrum somehow breaks out of prison and is PISSED at the sheer femininity and “submissiveness” the Cleaner gives and they fight

Also, Dennis/Clockblocker becomes a pseudo-regular at the restaurant
 

Ganurath

Well-known member
Also, males doing bullying from what I know is somewhat different, far more likely to use physical force than just psychological tactics
...Emmett and Stephen aren't participating in the bullying, though.
What is this? We don't have a lot of information here. Why is it a darker harem? Are the girls all evil/crazy? Are the circumstances they fall in love with male!Taylor really, really bad? What are we talking about here?
Getting into detail is complicated due to the complex character interactions and/or spoilers (especially Madison,) but the short version is that a lot of the relationships are crazily unhealthy. Emma's canon fixation is twisted into a need to be with Taylor instead of above Taylor, Sophia's whole thing is that she can't really have a relationship that doesn't involve violence in some manner... Oh, and there are side plots involving Annette being alive instead of Danny, and the Empire low key taking over Winslow through legal channels.
 

The Name of Love

Far Right Nutjob
@The Name of Love
Since you’re sorta into the whole religious conservative sort of oversexualisation and women needing to actually help make families and care for them
Your idea is stupid, even for a parody.

Getting into detail is complicated due to the complex character interactions and/or spoilers (especially Madison,) but the short version is that a lot of the relationships are crazily unhealthy. Emma's canon fixation is twisted into a need to be with Taylor instead of above Taylor, Sophia's whole thing is that she can't really have a relationship that doesn't involve violence in some manner... Oh, and there are side plots involving Annette being alive instead of Danny, and the Empire low key taking over Winslow through legal channels.
So it'd still be a dark reprise of superheroes?

What about the series being a dark reprise of something like High School DXD, a darker take on urban fantasy with the Worm characters being made into urban fantasy versions of themselves?
 

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