RenegadeInterrupt
Anarcho-Centrist Judeo-Satanic Imperialist
Yet another reason to completely fucking ignore whatever is happening between Ukraine and Russia and refocus your attention on the REAL enemy:
Why I no longer support Ukraine
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Dauerschriff
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In 1969? China had few bombs,but no missiles.They could not bomb soviets.And if soviets bomb China? even better for USA,nobody would support them or trust in their promises after they nuke their fellow commies.
Not mine,too.But Kissinger was paid by them - so,he should serve USA.
But he served China and soviets instead......
Dauerschriff
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From Swiss to Pole: Should is always a theory.
The USA does not really exists. Country are an elite construct. Think the USA rulers were not moving toward socialism already?
Nietzsche time
Staat heißt das kälteste aller kalten Ungeheuer. Kalt lügt es auch; und diese Lüge kriecht aus seinem Munde: Ich, der Staat, bin das Volk
Do not agree.Acting against your own country never help in long run.
No,they are not.And ,if elites serve another countries,their countries cease to exist.What happened to Poland in 18th century - we were Empire 100 years before,yet elites started serve another...and become another kings property.
Polish magnates lost not only their powers,but also most of their wealth as a result of their betreyal.
They were - but,if Trump do not happened,there would be no USA as a resuly.And USA elites would become property of China or somebody else.
Dauerschriff
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Country is not Volk or State is not Volk. Poles were Poles despites being in The German Empire. Austrian are Germans despite being Austrians. Ukrainians existed under the USSR as did Russian.
The Country as institutions work mostly for the Elite not the people.
One could say Kissinger was never from the USA, one should not be surprised by his behavior for decades.
The Country as institutions work mostly for the Elite not the people.
One could say Kissinger was never from the USA, one should not be surprised by his behavior for decades.
Not for lack of trying on the state's part.
And you don't hear of nationalities on which such trying worked.
Dauerschriff
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i don't object.
Armenians and Greek and Jews maintained existence. So did Volga Germans or Poles or Balts. Or Galicians and Catalans.
Others did not.
I don't worship any State. It is always and only the official gang by virtue of power. Whether it is better or worse than alternatives is the real question that is considered seditious obviously.
In practice any viable alternative is also a state, so there is no question.
Dauerschriff
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Not all States are the same.
1776 revolutionary America was a State. Switzerland 1799 was a State.
State can means as little as nothing beyond the vague existence of a military command.
Legitimacy is a construct. Law and Order a deception.
Well time travel and different technological environments are all cool and dandy but unfortunately not real.
The closest we are getting to that is global nuclear war, zombie apocalypse, huge asteroid impact, or another similarly apocalyptic scenario.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and few thousands of years ago we had tribal councils that everyone knew and could personally talk to as the highest authority, but how the fuck is that relevant alternative to the world of today where any such political entity would need to compete (and inevitably be steamrolled by) multi million economies and armies of other states?
You act like China exists in a vacuum
Simonbob
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No, just that it's much more dangerous.
That's not the point.
There is always a threat from others, focusing solely on China and ignoring the others thay will gladly work with China against us is stupid
Agree.Except soviets almost finished off both russians and ukrainians.
Also agree.That is why Poland fall in 18th century - our elites fucked us.
Yes,he served deep state,not USA.
Dauerschriff
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Your arguments were heard all over times: We need an Empire, we need to Unite, How can Netherlands exist outside the Spanish Empire... King's Authority, One party State, Universal Republic, Theocracy of the Pope and the like authoritarian leaning. The World Today won't be the world in 15 years. It is irrelevant on long term planning.
Singapore is stronger than Malaya.
Israel is far mighter than Egypt. Switzerland is militarily far stronger defensively than France (nukes excluded, and Switzerland could have them easily and have a bigger industry anyway). Don't start saying Switzerland does not have a Navy it is irrelevant.
You are a collectivist, thinking that only big is strong. How powerful is Brazil compared to Germany?
Taiwan could build nukes and screw China.
North Korea can Destroy Japan.
WMD are the future of warfare. And they are very cheap for tech advanced nations. The Monopoly of countries on them is a reign of Terror.
You are moving the Goal post. i said that all that order, and legitimacy is a void construct. No more is there legitimacy in a tribal chieftain than a Godking or a president. Only might and apparatus.
So? Just because it was used a lot it doesn't make it wrong. It could be because it is correct. Big factions steamroll tiny ones, that is a simple fact of reality. If you want to be steamrolled, fine, but don't ask me to join you on that ride. I'd rather be riding on the steamroller than be under it.
Well great for ya if your threats are poorly organized and backwards people, or just countries not interested in war.
You are an idiot, not thinking at all, and trying to cope for the sake of anarchist bent by comparing large countries with massive internal problems to well organized smaller ones.
Possibly. Unless hit first, or if Chinese missile defenses work exceptionally well.
But at this point you don't even know you have capitulated. You have to put up examples of real countries with populations in double digit millions. Those are already as "collectivist" as democratic get. Especially Taiwan and Singapore. Absolutely nothing like your previously mentioned loose confederations like Switzerland 1799.
Not if Japanese anti missile defenses have anything to say about it.
Tell that to Ukraine and Russia. That theory was in fact considered by far more experienced in warfare people in USA just after WW2... and in hindsight it turned infeasible in proceeding 2 decades. Now no one takes that theory seriously. So you're at least 70 years behind the curve on this.
Your WMDs are near worthless as weapons without the sort of infrastructure, command, and delivery systems only a state can organize and afford. The golden standard of nuclear deterrence right now, at current technological state of art is a SSBN fleet on constant patrol. And only 6 countries have that, usually with at least one alternative on top of that. Every other nuclear power would either probably or certainly would lose a nuclear war against a country with state of art nuclear strike and defense systems.
IDGAF, so do you.
And above all, support given and implied. If the bulk of people being ruled consider the rule legitimate, that's good enough for social engineering purposes.
I'll be honest. I commissioned My Little Pony art from a Russian dude.
I mostly just want the war to end so that the stupid SWIFT/Paypal embargo can stop and I can go back to paying Russian artists to draw ponies.
Otherwise, I really don't have a dog in this fight and couldn't bring myself to give one solitary fuck about either Russia or Ukraine.
I mostly just want the war to end so that the stupid SWIFT/Paypal embargo can stop and I can go back to paying Russian artists to draw ponies.
Otherwise, I really don't have a dog in this fight and couldn't bring myself to give one solitary fuck about either Russia or Ukraine.
Ponies,ponies uber alless !
But - it is still better attitude to confict then most of people have on both sides.You are man of culture !