Who else dreads this year?

[ShieldWife]

The fly in your totalitarian ointment, Tippy, is that voting is anonymous. Or supposed to be anyway.

Republicans would be fools to stop California from secession. That would solve so many problems for the American right wing. Why force a bunch of people who hate your country to be a part of it, especially when they are going to drag the rest of the country down with them.

Unfortunately, California won't secede. Why quit when you're winning?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Republicans would be fools to stop California from secession. That would solve so many problems for the American right wing. Why force a bunch of people who hate your country to be a part of it, especially when they are going to drag the rest of the country down with them.

Unfortunately, California won't secede. Why quit when you're winning?

Honestly, if it secedes, what does California intend to do afterwards?

 

[ShieldWife]

Honestly, if it secedes, what does California intend to do afterwards?

If they seceded they would likely create a new national Constitution that would allow (or require) them to do all of the far left stuff that the USA Constitution wouldn't allow. Emboldened with their new found freedom and power, they would likely enact all sorts of crazy policies that would cause a complete economic if not societal collapse of the state. Hopefully before that happened a bunch of leftists from other states would move there hoping to create their far left utopia. They would probably open their border to Mexico 100% and have free health care, free education, and maybe guaranteed income for anybody who crossed the border.

 

[Cherico]

Honestly, if it secedes, what does California intend to do afterwards?

Die of thirst, and economically collapse.

Because California is not in any way shape or form water independent and we have a whole bunch of unfunded liabilities that are already unpayable now in the most investiment rich period in human history so we are ultra fucked with that all vanishes in 2 years when the boomers retire and then we have to pay for all of the government workers pensions which we also haven't planned for.

Why do you think California's media and tech companies have been pushing so hard? We have a hard limit coming up and we are super fucked. If we don't win this election there will be no bail out which is the best option for us. If we lose we need to go hat in hand and get permission to go bankrupt. If we fuck that up we get to economically collapse.

 

[ShieldWife]

Yeah, it would actually be tragic because so many of the great aspects of California that have arisen from the state being a part of the USA would be lost, along with numerous good people who would be hurt in the collapse. In many ways it would be good for the rest of the USA though.

The smart people in the Democrat Party know that it would be bad for them and California to secede.

 

[Cherico]

Yeah, it would actually be tragic because so many of the great aspects of California that have arisen from the state being a part of the USA would be lost, along with numerous good people who would be hurt in the collapse. In many ways it would be good for the rest of the USA though.

The smart people in the Democrat Party know that it would be bad for them and California to secede.

The democratic party here is split amongst a whole bunch of fractions.

You have the people who can do math and are fucking terrified and the people who cant who are making deals they cant keep. The ones who can do math? Their allowing it.

Why? Its simple there is absolutely no way to stop us from flying into the wall full tilt any chance to reform the system was gone and dead around 20 years ago. No matter what we do we are fucked, so promise the world with full knowelege that you cant keep any of those promises and then hopefully get bailed out and not be able to keep said promise. Or go into bankruptcy and blame everything on that. Last option you find a brightly colored very annoying scapegoat to blame all your problems on and let the mob literally murder them in the streets while you run like hell.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Yeah, it would actually be tragic because so many of the great aspects of California that have arisen from the state being a part of the USA would be lost, along with numerous good people who would be hurt in the collapse. In many ways it would be good for the rest of the USA though.

The smart people in the Democrat Party know that it would be bad for them and California to secede.

I do hope these "smart" people will be forced to submit to the crazies and try to secede. They created the beast, fed it, and now they have to fight it.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Why? Its simple there is absolutely no way to stop us from flying into the wall full tilt any chance to reform the system was gone and dead around 20 years ago. No matter what we do we are fucked, so promise the world with full knowelege that you cant keep any of those promises and then hopefully get bailed out and not be able to keep said promise. Or go into bankruptcy and blame everything on that. Last option you find a brightly colored very annoying scapegoat to blame all your problems on and let the mob literally murder them in the streets while you run like hell.

So they can't try getting other Blue States to secede as well and hope to use them for financial support and other stuff?

As for the scapegoats.....admittedly I think they're already a sort of minority amongst the Dems who are less well-off or rich enough to have time to do that sort of stuff

 

[ShieldWife]

One of the values I hold as a conservative is the right to be left alone. Both as an individual and as an organized collective. I believe that there is a right of secession. "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them."

I think it would be great if left leaning people wanted to form their own state or nation, away from the rest of us, and enact their policies there and live the life they desire leaving us free to live as we please. That is never what they want though. They demand that everybody comply with their demands and to financially support their policies too.

 

[Scottty]

Republicans would be fools to stop California from secession. That would solve so many problems for the American right wing. Why force a bunch of people who hate your country to be a part of it, especially when they are going to drag the rest of the country down with them.

As I understand it, the US fedgov has a number of important military bases and ports in California, it being a coastal state and all. If they were allowed to secede and go Full Socialist, they could do things like allow Russia or China to establish military enclaves there.
And since American national security depends in large part on the oceans, that couldn't be allowed.

 

[ShieldWife]

As I understand it, the US fedgov has a number of important military bases and ports in California, it being a coastal state and all. If they were allowed to secede and go Full Socialist, they could do things like allow Russia or China to establish military enclaves there.
And since American national security depends in large part on the oceans, that couldn't be allowed.

That's a good point. If they seceded then the USA may have to remove its military bases. Then again, maybe not. There are a lot of other nations around the globe with US military bases and I don't think that China is going to be building a military base of its own in Canada or Mexico right next to the American border in the near future even though those places aren't part of the USA.

If California really did secede, it would need help in the decade or have a total collapse. Could China offer this in exchange for them becoming a puppet of China right on our borders? Maybe so, they kind of leftists who run California might not even care that much about China using them in such a way. Certainly if California had a complete meltdown like that it would cause some national security concerns for the rest of the USA.

 

[Lanmandragon]

So everyone realizes it's Frisco and la that want secession not California right? The majority of the the state is drowned out by the cities. Just like in Illnois and very likley New York.

 

[ShieldWife]

So everyone realizes it's Frisco and la that want secession not California right? The majority of the the state is drowned out by the cities. Just like in Illnois and very likley New York.

Yeah, that's everywhere. In fact, often the difference between red and blue states has more to do with how urban or rural the state is rather than other factors.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

As I understand it, the US fedgov has a number of important military bases and ports in California, it being a coastal state and all. If they were allowed to secede and go Full Socialist, they could do things like allow Russia or China to establish military enclaves there.
And since American national security depends in large part on the oceans, that couldn't be allowed.

That's a good point. If they seceded then the USA may have to remove its military bases. Then again, maybe not. There are a lot of other nations around the globe with US military bases and I don't think that China is going to be building a military base of its own in Canada or Mexico right next to the American border in the near future even though those places aren't part of the USA.

If California really did secede, it would need help in the decade or have a total collapse. Could China offer this in exchange for them becoming a puppet of China right on our borders? Maybe so, they kind of leftists who run California might not even care that much about China using them in such a way. Certainly if California had a complete meltdown like that it would cause some national security concerns for the rest of the USA.

Dude, this is pretty much the plot and backstory of the Kelly Turnbull novels.

Except, California isn't alone and holds states like Virginia and New York amongst its fellow secessionists

Just so you guys know, apparently somehow they changed their stance on Russia after Putin did some stuff or something

That said, as Cherico's pointed out, they may not last long enough to even pull this crazy stuff for a year let alone near two decades

 

[LordsFire]

California isn't going to secede, not any time soon. There's too many Democrats who like being American, and not enough Republicans who would vote for the state to leave just to spite it.

If it did secede, I'd give it two years before it's visibly collapsing, five before it's on the rocks, and ten before it's begging for re-admission into the union to end the complete anarchy.

 

[Cherico]

California isn't going to secede, not any time soon. There's too many Democrats who like being American, and not enough Republicans who would vote for the state to leave just to spite it.

If it did secede, I'd give it two years before it's visibly collapsing, five before it's on the rocks, and ten before it's begging for re-admission into the union to end the complete anarchy.

as some one who was born and raised in California I am completely agast at your statement.

There is no way we would last nearly that long.

 

[Scottty]

It's the inherent self-contradiction of modern-day Leftism: they claim that they want non-Leftists to all go away - but they don't really want everyone else to go away, because then they wouldn't be able to mooch off other people.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

It's the inherent self-contradiction of modern-day Leftism: they claim that they want non-Leftists to all go away - but they don't really want everyone else to go away, because then they wouldn't be able to mooch off other people.

If ever people somehow ever actually go John-Galt and establish their own new settlements and livelihoods on a new frontier

You can bet your ass even if said "new frontier" was never legally part of their own nations they'll try annexing it, if only because the people living on it are doing really good and stuff

 

[Cherico]

when your plan is to hide your canadate and keep him out of the news you probally have a bad plan.

 

[f1onagher]

Republicans would be fools to stop California from secession. That would solve so many problems for the American right wing. Why force a bunch of people who hate your country to be a part of it, especially when they are going to drag the rest of the country down with them.

Unfortunately, California won't secede. Why quit when you're winning?

The US made it abundantly clear in 1864 that the Union is a suicide pact. We're all in this together until the bitter end, no take backsies. Beyond that California is the singularly most valuable US state. As far as end market value is concerned. The state contains two of the three deepwater ports on the west coast, a butt-ton of military assets due to being our western border, and a number of technology sectors that despite their best efforts are still relevant today. Not to mention the largest and most taxable population in the nation.

California is also completely reliant on someone else for food, water, and fuel, so leaving is a non-starter anyway unless they're able to annex half the Rocky states and secure an independent oil deal with Saudi Arabia. Secession talk in any state is at best a joke. Even Texas, one of the best states able to go it alone, session talk is just an amusing pastime for grumpy people.

Spoiler: Unless...