Who else dreads this year?

[ShadowsOfParadox]

His abortion views are to say the least, extreme.

there are three views on abortion
"The fetus is a human life, to extinguish it is to kill, thus it is something that should only be considered in the most extreme of cases, if ever."-Pro Life
"The fetus is a fetus and not a person, therefore to extinguish it bears less moral weight than to extinguish an insect"-Pro Choice(insert stuff about bodily autonomy that boils down to "I should be able to have a reset button for everything")
"We need a compromise"-Politician Considering Election

 

[CarlManvers2019]

there are three views on abortion
"The fetus is a human life, to extinguish it is to kill, thus it is something that should only be considered in the most extreme of cases, if ever."-Pro Life

Has it or hasn't it been strawmanned to be NEVER do abortion, even if it may kill the mother's life or was the result of rape or can't afford to raise the child? I've been reading too much of MuchBirth's stuff on DeviantArt....then again he/she's sorta crazy and would fit right in with the guys calling everyone here to be sexist racist fascistic bigots

 

[Comrade Clod]

He does seem to be going more crazy-crazy than persona-crazy these days.

There are some things I disagree with him on, but... Alt-Right? Him? You been smoking the whacky-backy again?

I don't smoke and yes, him.

 

[LordSunhawk]

Just as an observation, in the 2000's, Alex Jones was the darling of the extreme left for his vociferous opposition to GWB. Take that as you will.

 

[Comrade Clod]

Just as an observation, in the 2000's, Alex Jones was the darling of the extreme left for his vociferous opposition to GWB. Take that as you will.

Also a reminder that in the 2000's the extreme left was what we call the moderate dems today, aside from Sander's the cold war had pushed most of the rest into irrelevance.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

Has it or hasn't it been strawmanned to be NEVER do abortion, even if it may kill the mother's life or was the result of rape or can't afford to raise the child?

first case is one where the mom should have a choice, simply because forcing someone to sacrifice their life for someone else's is immoral.

The second case is weird and I don't have a formed opinion on it.

The third case is SUPPOSED to be what Charity, Adoption, Foster Care, and Community Outreach is for.

 

[Vargas Fan]

Dreading next year....the way things are going you'll be lucky if I'm still here next year......

 

[Deleted member 1]

first case is one where the mom should have a choice, simply because forcing someone to sacrifice their life for someone else's is immoral.

The second case is weird and I don't have a formed opinion on it.

The third case is SUPPOSED to be what Charity, Adoption, Foster Care, and Community Outreach is for.

Our society does systematically fail this, but your statement is true, correct, and moral.

 

[Psyckosama]

Man Becomes Internet 'Hero' For Walking Into Middle Of Proud Boys And Saying 'F*ck You' To Each

A man became a hero to the internet over the weekend after he was captured on video saying "f*ck you" to members of a group of conservative protesters known as Proud Boys.

crooksandliars.com

I can't help but wonder if it had been reversed and it was a Proud Boy walking through a group of Antifa saying "Fuck you," to each one, how quickly he'd be beaten over the head.

1) I've seen quite a few of the assholes who would have.
2) I've also met Antifa people who aren't violent, but are just a bunch of whiny bitches.

Really depends on who you're unlucky enough to deal with.

 

[Chaos Marine]

1) I've seen quite a few of the assholes who would have.
2) I've also met Antifa people who aren't violent, but are just a bunch of whiny bitches.

Really depends on who you're unlucky enough to deal with.

Oh of course, every group without fail will attract some crazies and assholes, that's a given. However, the ratio of assholes to decent people appear to be an overwhelming majority in regards to Antifa and the opposite to the Proud Boys.

 

[Comrade Clod]

Oh of course, every group without fail will attract some crazies and assholes, that's a given. However, the ratio of assholes to decent people appear to be an overwhelming majority in regards to Antifa and the opposite to the Proud Boys.

I'd argue the other way around (antifa aren't bigots, the same cannot be said for many PB's)

 

[Arch Dornan]

I can see more TDS happen.

If he wins more videos of people will be recorded crying and committing violence against a trump puppet. I remember a recent one of a women gleefully stabbing one with a knife.

Meanwhile a certain site will be documenting it all while laughing.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

I'd argue the other way around (antifa aren't bigots, the same cannot be said for many PB's)

...the leader of the Proud Boys is Hispanic last I heard...

Also I'd argue that Antifa has pretty thoroughly proven it's own bigotry in how it treats people. Like that time they ganged up on two marines on leave because they answered "yes" to "are you proud?". Or that time Antifa decided that one guy walking away looked like he might be a Proud Boy and beat him up only, ooops, it's a Jew, who was totally unrelated.

or that Andy Ngo thing.

 

[Terthna]

I'd argue the other way around (antifa aren't bigots, the same cannot be said for many PB's)

Definition of bigot

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

I don't think you understand what a bigot is.

 

[S'task]

His abortion views are to say the least, extreme.

That Shapiro's positions on abortion are seen as "extreme" and the explicit party platform position on abortion held by the Democratic Party is not is one of the biggest media coups of that last half century. The polling shows that, despite what polling on the issue actually IS, the majority of people believe that the US is more pro-choice than it actually is. This can only be explained by what amounts to framing of the issue by the media to privileged the pro-choice position, as I cannot otherwise think of what can create such a disconnect.

When surveys on abortion are performed people tend to self identify at Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life at roughly even rate. Further, the STANDARD Democratic position that Abortion on demand with no restrictions is, in fact, a minority position that has roughly the same amount of support as the "no abortion ever under any circumstances" position. Further, of the majority of people who think abortion should be legal in some circumstances, a plurality falls on the more restrictive / fewer circumstances side, not the more open side, and further polling shows that among those who are dissatisfied with the current laws regarding abortion, again, most of that group want more restrictions, and further polling on when abortion should be restricted shows that, with a majority being fine with it in the first trimester, a majority being oppposed in the second trimester, and a supermajority being opposed in the third trimester.

So no, Shapiro is hardly an extremist on the issue of abortion, at least, no more than any of the Democratic candidates are extremists on the issue, as both are about as out of line with public opinion on abortion.

Basically, protip: if you believe in abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason, you are an extremist on the issue in the same way a person who believes abortion should be restricted at all times, for all reasons.

 

[GoldRanger]

Man this reminds me of a thread on QQ about complaints regarding AH, apparently Ian was basically calling Israel a place full of Nazi’s even when they were Jewish

If that was in the context of the conflict with the Palestinians, it's incredibly ironic since there are Palestinians that actually fly the Swastika on flags, and Mein Kampf sells like doughnuts in the Palestinian territories.

 

[Lanmandragon]

If that was in the context of the conflict with the Palestinians, it's incredibly ironic since there are Palestinians that actually fly the Swastika on flags, and Mein Kampf sells like doughnuts in the Palestinian territories.

They have a seaseme streetesque show. That's all about killing Jews and the evils of Zionism.

 

[ShieldWife]

I mean he is a posterboy for the modern alt-right

Ugh, I am so sick of the term "Alt-right" and it has been so thoroughly abused so as to be nearly worthless. Ben Shapiro is a moderate neo-conservative who has some religious conservative qualities. He is no where near, and many would say virtually diametrically opposed, to the Alt-right.

If Alt-right means an outspoken conservative who is internet savvy, like Shapiro, then there are millions of members of the Alt-right and the term is nearly meaningless. If Alt-right is another name for Neo-Nazis, then there are nearly zero members of the Alt-right. Ideally, the term would describe a group somewhere in between (nationalistic conservatives, populists, paleo-cons, etc.) because then it might actually add to our ability to have a discourse rather than detract from it.

But you can't have it both ways!

You can't define everybody to the right of Bernie Sanders, or maybe even Bernie Sanders himself, as Alt-right while simultaneously saying that the Alt-right are synonymous with Nazis. If Alt-right just means a conservative, then there is no shame in being called Alt-right, and if Alt-right means Nazis then you're talking about a nearly nonexistent group who is completely repudiated by the mainstream of conservatism and even by the majority of people who identify as being Alt-right.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Why Young Men of Color Are Joining White-Supremacist Groups

Patriot Prayer’s leader is half-Japanese. Black and brown faces march with the Proud Boys. Is the future of hate multicultural?

www.thedailybeast.com

Plus, there are non whites joining in, so it just shows the Left Right Dichotomy is stupid

 

[Arch Dornan]

I remember watching some video about some person who did this walkaway thing from being disillusioned with the democrats that got more videos of other people doing the same in that channel. If the tensions get the worse I can see more videos of normal people doing it.

Ugh, I am so sick of the term "Alt-right" and it has been so thoroughly abused so as to be nearly worthless. Ben Shapiro is a moderate neo-conservative who has some religious conservative qualities. He is no where near, and many would say virtually diametrically opposed, to the Alt-right.

If Alt-right means an outspoken conservative who is internet savvy, like Shapiro, then there are millions of members of the Alt-right and the term is nearly meaningless. If Alt-right is another name for Neo-Nazis, then there are nearly zero members of the Alt-right. Ideally, the term would describe a group somewhere in between (nationalistic conservatives, populists, paleo-cons, etc.) because then it might actually add to our ability to have a discourse rather than detract from it.

But you can't have it both ways!

You can't define everybody to the right of Bernie Sanders, or maybe even Bernie Sanders himself, as Alt-right while simultaneously saying that the Alt-right are synonymous with Nazis. If Alt-right just means a conservative, then there is no shame in being called Alt-right, and if Alt-right means Nazis then you're talking about a nearly nonexistent group who is completely repudiated by the mainstream of conservatism and even by the majority of people who identify as being Alt-right.

That term's quite strange. There's this right left compass so I can see far right/left but then this alt right name comes out. Does that mean there's alt left too?