Who else dreads this year?
- Thread starter Cherico
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Let me tell you one bribe that I think would work that the left would never be able to offer.
Simply tell the men this.
If you fight for us we will give you full custody of your children.
You will be able to watch your children grow up, you will be able to tell them stories about your youth, raise them with your values and watch as they become adults and build their own lives.
Be honest with yourself do you think the other side is going to get your children away from your ex and what ever Jodi she's fucking today? Do you want your children to be raised to hate you while you live in poverty? Or do you want your family back?
It won't get to the point where the military as a civil service makes the decision. Rather it will fall upon President Trump. If I'm correct, he could federalize Virginia's Guard. Setting that aside, Virginia's lawmakers would essentially be setting its local state militias against both the rebellious locals and the Federal Army. It's a foregone conclusion who would win that bout and it would backfire against the entire DNC.
What I expect is this.
First, I expect that either the Virginia DNC will push forward after the Holidays or drop it entirely. If they drop it, that's that. If not and they continue to escalate along with the rebellious counties, it will gain national attention. Any threats of military force will be met with threats of military force not only from the locals, but from the President himself. And that would simply not go well for the Virginian DNC.
Not exactly, no.
This is culture regional to Virginia. In fact, I'm pretty sure I have a strong guess as to the portion of Virginia that is preparing to take up arms; the western portion:
And I'm pretty sure that the people who most strongly support these laws live in the eastern part of the state. There is a reason for this. Tidewater was established by nobility in Maryland and by oligarchs in Virginia who molded together an elitist society. In Tidewater, they believe in liberty. Liberty does not necessarily include freedom for all. Liberty is precious because it belongs to only the select few in this culture. So the oligrachs in Virginia are acting as they have always acted; stripping the peons of their means of resistance and when told no, will immediately reach for an institutional means of enforcing it upon others.
The Democrats in Yankeedom and I suspect even in the Left Coast won't support this. For the Yankees it goes against the very basis of their culture and for the Left Coast, I expect they would see it as jack-boot-thuggery. If I were a betting man, my guess is that they'll paper over it as best they can to avoid a schism within the party.
Yep.
That said, apart from the local guard within Virginia, the bulk of US services are indeed conservative. Specifically supplied from Appalachia, Deep South, and Far West. The military as a whole won't support this move. Anyone who does can be easily enough replaced and that alone will keep the smarter, higher ranked ones from acting--because it will eject their beliefs wholesale from the military.
Arch Dornan
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2nd Amendment Sanctuary movement continues to grow
More than 90 governing bodies have now passed resolutions defending gun rights, and more votes are expected. And with the General Assembly session now just a few weeks away the momentum is building.
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Dissent grows to Virginia gun seizure.
DarthOne
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Good!2nd Amendment Sanctuary movement continues to grow
More than 90 governing bodies have now passed resolutions defending gun rights, and more votes are expected. And with the General Assembly session now just a few weeks away the momentum is building.
Dissent grows to Virginia gun seizure.
Arch Dornan
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From sanctuary cities for illegal migrants to sanctuary communities for gun holders. Fuckin a.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
I predict 2020 being even worse than 2016
CarlManvers2019
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The latter can’t last long, they will be cut off from resources somehow
Say, is there a sort of Red VS Blue conflict in Virginia? Cities are Blue but the rest are Red, like Houston in Texas?
Floridaman
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Yes, and you also have the DC overflow which is what led to it going blue.
CarlManvers2019
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Ever read The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress?
- Hypocrisy: Could qualify as Hypocritical Humor if one choose to take it as Black Comedy — Prof threatens to stop grain shipments to Terra, and Mannie narrates regarding Indian newspapers' reactions, "Gentlest proposal was to clean out Luna, exterminate us 'criminal troglodytes' and replace us with 'honest Hindu peasants' who understood sacredness of life and would ship grain and more grain." Later, after the kinetic bombardment kills a bunch of idiots who didn't stay out of the blast zones, "Indian government seemed as furious over fish as over fishermen—but principle of sacredness of life did not apply to us; they wanted our heads."
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
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You can replace ao many Gun Loving and Freedom or Speech loving Virginians with a bunch of gun hating, “hate speech” hating “immigrants” who will do all the farming and mining now
Floridaman
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The problem is the DC overflow is bureaucrats... good luck getting them to farm, mine or do anything else that is useful.Ever read The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress?
- Hypocrisy: Could qualify as Hypocritical Humor if one choose to take it as Black Comedy — Prof threatens to stop grain shipments to Terra, and Mannie narrates regarding Indian newspapers' reactions, "Gentlest proposal was to clean out Luna, exterminate us 'criminal troglodytes' and replace us with 'honest Hindu peasants' who understood sacredness of life and would ship grain and more grain." Later, after the kinetic bombardment kills a bunch of idiots who didn't stay out of the blast zones, "Indian government seemed as furious over fish as over fishermen—but principle of sacredness of life did not apply to us; they wanted our heads."
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress (1966) is a Science Fiction novel written by Robert A. Heinlein. It's notable for originating many sci-fi tropes, including a sentient computer, Colony Drop tactics, and virtual acting. The action is set in 2075-2076 …
You can replace ao many Gun Loving and Freedom or Speech loving Virginians with a bunch of gun hating, “hate speech” hating “immigrants” who will do all the farming and mining now
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Mexicans and other Souther Americans or Muslims or Africans then
Arch Dornan
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Unless the Democrats blink first to cause an uproar.
Actually, quite a few of the Tidewater counties are passing these resolutions too. The primary distinction here is urban + inner suburban vs outer suburban + rural counties.
It's also heavily built on minority voters being entirely behind Dems. Bear in mind, Virginia's demographics feature a much larger amounts of minorities than many places in the US.
Virginia has three major urban/inner suburban regions. Richmond in the center, Norfolk in the south east, and the DC Suburbs in the north. These three regions tend to dominate State politics, and up until recently tended to be more balanced between the Rs and Ds.
Richmond was always a D stronghold in the State, save for it's outer suburbs. It was the home of the historical Byrd machine after all. Norfolk has historically been fairly mixed, though leaning D. The region between Richmond and Norfolk is Virginia's "Black Belt" where there's a significant number of blacks, enough that there's multiple majority-minority districts there. However, that D influence was counterbalanced by the primary reason Norfolk is a big urban area: The US Naval Yards in Hampton Roads. As is typical, the military tended to be more R oriented and so there was some Rs coming from the SE.
Northern Virginia is where the most change has been. Historically speaking, NoVA was actually a major R stronghold outside of Arlington and Alexandria (basically two cities completely tied to DC) up until the 2000s, with Rs dominating Fairfax, Loudon, and Prince William counties. What government contractors that were located in Virginia in the 80s and 90s tended to be those involved in military contracting, which trended R, and there's quite a few military bases in NoVA which reinforced this.
With the combination of the tech boom (fun fact: NoVA has been a huge player in the development of the internet as we know it) and the massive growth of the Federal government post 9/11 and under Obama, you saw a LOT of people from out of state move into NoVA from the north east and California to work for the Federal Government or in support of the Federal Government. They settled in Virginia because it had cheaper real estate, lower taxes, and better schools than DC or Maryland did (due to Republican governance since the 80s), and proceeded to vote for Democrats and instead of being focused on Virginia politics, which ALWAYS has been more conservative than national, Virginia Dems prior to the 2000s were frequently noted to be VERY conservative Dems all told, they were focused on national politics and the much more liberal / progressive ideas there.
This lead to a continue bleed of blue out from DC into the NoVA suburbs. From Arlington and Alexandria, Fairfax systemically turned blue. Now it's spread out to Loudon and Prince William counties, which has caused the government to flip.
Oh, this is in part due to the Republicans being stupid in the post 2010 redistricting. Instead of drawing borders that best represented regional interests, the Virginia government instead drew districts meant to protect incumbents. This meant that in NoVA Prince William and Loudon county never really had representatives in Richmond, rather, their votes were sliced up between multiple districts in order to ensure that the incumbents (be they R or D) would have an easier time at reelection. Frequently for the Rs who were in Fairfax this meant grabbing up more and more of slices of Prince William or Loudon counties. Well, as population booms continued in NoVA, this made those holdings less and less tenable, and now you have districts with VERY different interest groups (the interests of exurban parts of Prince William County have jack shit to do with folks in the dense suburban central Fairfax county), but they're grouped together and, of course, the dense suburban regions are dominating the districts now.
This is all combined by a Republican party in Virginia that is either incompetent or malicious. They have frequently conflicted and undercut grassroots efforts in Virginia, tending to always side with the Chamber of Commerce / liberal Republican wing of things much to the consternation of the grassroots. Further, there's been a systemic effort to peel away right libertarian voters in state-wide elections by Democratic agents, with a right libertarian candidate being on almost every state-wide election ballot going back 10 years, usually funded by out of state money that when looked closely at tends to normally give to liberal democrats... and then these statewide races have frequently been settled by a handful of percentage points...
It's been a slow bleed here... and tragic to watch.
CarlManvers2019
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Honestly, I think an actual direct combat war will be the only way to really solve or show the divide between areas
It’s like Hong Kong, the Chinese Government won’t actually use military force when they have something less deadly but more effective, bringing people en masse who support their political agendas and making them the new voterbase of the area
The problem with democracy is that there can suddenly be new guys coming in to swing the vote
Arch Dornan
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Must be from the drone strikes.
Obama recently has also been praising female leaders too much except it takes certain qualities to be a "leader" regardless of gender.
I'm not too surprised, although I think the urban vs suburban divide is given more weight than it ought to.
Interesting information.
It seems as though the people from the Left Coast influenced the people of Tidewater and that resulted in more leftist ideology with Tidewater elitism. The naive ideology of the Left Coast's desire to disarm the populace out of the belief that guns are the danger and not individual people works well with Tidewater's belief of keeping power away from the unclean masses. The rich live safely away in gated communities and manors, with a police force motivated to protect them first and foremost, and they will no doubt find ways around gun laws that the ordinary people of Virginia would be hard pressed to follow. Even if it's not totally successful, it creates a trend that is both difficult to reverse and strengthens Tidewater over Appalachia.
That has always been a downside of the states; they have not always given fair representation to all the citizens of a state. Pennsylvania during the colonial era had been heavily dominated by the Midlanders who originally settled the area, while locking the Appalachia peoples out of the political process. Later, during the Revolutionary War, because the Midlanders had refused to go to war with the Crown, the other nations supported Appalachia in essentially taking full control of the government in Pennsylvania and locking out the Midlanders. Shortly after the Revolutionary War, the Appalachians were more or less locked out again.
You can also look at Illinois in regards to its voting distribution in 2016. The vast geographical area of Illinois was red, but the large population center within Chicago and the nearby area made it blue. In reality, northern Illinois has more in common with south Wisconsin than it does with south Illinois. What's happening here is that Appalachia moves through many Tidewater states (three) and has little representation.
This was never fine, but I think for a while Appalachia and Tidewater hit upon a truce; Tidewater would pretend the Appalachian parts of Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina didn't exist--and in return Appalachia would keep to itself. But with the vast import of elites from the New York, Yankeedom, and the Left Coast, the native elites in the area have adopted some of the trendy beliefs of their new fellow elites. And those new elites cannot accept the culture of Appalachia. What's more, they're willing to move into the areas of Appalachia for the lower taxes and easily acquired land.
Essentially, an evolving Tidewater is now nipping at the edges of Appalachia--while having large government control.
Arch Dornan
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He's gonna take yer jebs!
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