Aldarion
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So I have come across two particular multiversal threats:
Who or what can stop them?
Who or what can stop them?
Who can stop multiversal threats
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Washu from Tenchi Muyo. She would do it on her lunch break with an invention she had in her sock drawer.
Wow that escalated quickly... at least until it collapsed in upon itself into a Black Hole.
Crom's Black Blade
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I'm just going to throw out Silver-age Superman if actually remembered, and used, all his powers of which he seemed to have more than Batman has gadgets in his utility belt.
Edit: Actually for the Infinity Jaeger, you don't even have to destroy the construct, if I understand Jaeger tech right all you need to to do is kill/disable one person in one Jaeger which would destroy the brain link and in a cascade failure render the whole abomination unworkable. So Bill and Ted with their phonebooth and a baseball bat might actually be enough to defeat it.
Edit: Actually for the Infinity Jaeger, you don't even have to destroy the construct, if I understand Jaeger tech right all you need to to do is kill/disable one person in one Jaeger which would destroy the brain link and in a cascade failure render the whole abomination unworkable. So Bill and Ted with their phonebooth and a baseball bat might actually be enough to defeat it.
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Might work, though with six billion Humans maybe that could be mitigated since Jaegers have been operated before by only one person. A chain might only be as strong as its weakest link but here, the chain could be more like chainmail so the failure might not result in a cascade failure.
But if it was possible, you'd still have to catch the Jaegar which, if the YouTube video is correct, moves at ridiculous speeds, and its armor is apparently... universes thick I'm guessing. So just a directed teleportation would be somewhat iffy as it would have to cross lots and lots of universes worth of terrain.
Some sorts of teleportation are destination minded or target focused though, so maybe that would work. But has any of those teleportation systems worked... across distances spanning multiple galaxies in range, much less multiple universes.
Of course Time Travel could work, but that goes without saying. Time travel could potentially work on anything by precluding the Versus match itself, so what's the point of discussing it IMHO? 😛
I think you'd need something that can be somewhat proven to teleport or perhaps phase through universes worth thickness of armor and stuff to access the internals of the Infinity Jaeger to actually kill any of the pilots or whatever. Or maybe lure it towards you so you can phase/teleport within it. Since it moves so fast perhaps that would be the more effective tactic in circumventing the sheer scale of the foe.
Oh and be survivable enough to deal with whatever wonky physics that might kill ye from just being in the Infinity Jaegars general omniversal presence.
But if it was possible, you'd still have to catch the Jaegar which, if the YouTube video is correct, moves at ridiculous speeds, and its armor is apparently... universes thick I'm guessing. So just a directed teleportation would be somewhat iffy as it would have to cross lots and lots of universes worth of terrain.
Some sorts of teleportation are destination minded or target focused though, so maybe that would work. But has any of those teleportation systems worked... across distances spanning multiple galaxies in range, much less multiple universes.
Of course Time Travel could work, but that goes without saying. Time travel could potentially work on anything by precluding the Versus match itself, so what's the point of discussing it IMHO? 😛
I think you'd need something that can be somewhat proven to teleport or perhaps phase through universes worth thickness of armor and stuff to access the internals of the Infinity Jaeger to actually kill any of the pilots or whatever. Or maybe lure it towards you so you can phase/teleport within it. Since it moves so fast perhaps that would be the more effective tactic in circumventing the sheer scale of the foe.
Oh and be survivable enough to deal with whatever wonky physics that might kill ye from just being in the Infinity Jaegars general omniversal presence.
Crom's Black Blade
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Good point about the sheer scale of human minds being potentially able to compensate. I hadn't considered that.
I'm assuming, since the Jaegar has to have a crew of living humans, that whatever magi-tech is allowing this Frankenstein construct not to collapse in on itself into a blackhole is also keeping the interiors Earth-normal physics-wise.
And that's another good point about the sheer size of the construct. I was going to suggest Goku with Instant Transmission but he needs a power source to "lock on" too and the greater the distance the bigger the source needs to be. Granted the distances involved are always vague likely no were near several universes.
Maybe the Tardis from Doctor Who then?
That also got me thinking. I agree there must be a stable atmosphere within. But that also means time is a factor. Billions of Humans crewing the Jaegers means if one death causes a cascade, then in about ten seconds a Human will die of natural causes and the Infinity Jaeger is kaput... No challenge.
And Pacific Rim doesn't seem to have exceptional life support technology. So while we can grant the Jaegers the ability to defy physics to make this Infinity thing plausible for the OP I think we must also realize there must be a way of replacing naturally expired Humans or there is no Versus Match.
Which implies killing one Pilot won't create a Cascading Effect. You'd likely have to kill a lot more. And furthermore billions of Humans... Means low population density in a construction this size.
Which has its own issues... Fir the Human pilots/crew but also potential infiltration or trying to inflict catastrophic Pilot casualties.
Don't wanna get TOO MUCH in the Weeds of course but just other things to keep in mind.
And Pacific Rim doesn't seem to have exceptional life support technology. So while we can grant the Jaegers the ability to defy physics to make this Infinity thing plausible for the OP I think we must also realize there must be a way of replacing naturally expired Humans or there is no Versus Match.
Which implies killing one Pilot won't create a Cascading Effect. You'd likely have to kill a lot more. And furthermore billions of Humans... Means low population density in a construction this size.
Which has its own issues... Fir the Human pilots/crew but also potential infiltration or trying to inflict catastrophic Pilot casualties.
Don't wanna get TOO MUCH in the Weeds of course but just other things to keep in mind.
So he needs to lock onto a source but the Infinite Jaeger is too big.
The Jaeger might have to be lured to a limitless power source like 'The Source' from DC Comics which is an aspect of 'The Presence' which is like "God" in DC Comics.
The video states no Omnipotents BUTT we're not using the Presence. We'd use Goku honing in on the The Source if the Infinity Jaeger was close to it... For some reason.
I have little doubt that with no Omnipotence that the Infinity Jaeger could Kool-aid smash through the Source Wall and then maybe a tiny bit of it could be bathed in the Source and Goku could teleport an Army inside... Of the thing???
Otherwise you'd need to get a comparable Power Source inside of it somehow for said teleporting to get a big enough energy signature.
Crom's Black Blade
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Hmmmm we might be able to bypass the energy limitation if we could find a character who could sense the humans some other way. Goku was shown being able to read other people's mind, Krillin specifically, during the Namek arc so, hypothetically, if Professor Xavier could telepathically see into one jaeger Goku potentially could use that to get his bearings. Maybe. Dragonball was also a bit vague how anything worked.So he needs to lock onto a source but the Infinite Jaeger is too big.
The Jaeger might have to be lured to a limitless power source like 'The Source' from DC Comics which is an aspect of 'The Presence' which is like "God" in DC Comics.
The video states no Omnipotents BUTT we're not using the Presence. We'd use Goku honing in on the The Source if the Infinity Jaeger was close to it... For some reason.
I have little doubt that with no Omnipotence that the Infinity Jaeger could Kool-aid smash through the Source Wall and then maybe a tiny bit of it could be bathed in the Source and Goku could teleport an Army inside... Of the thing???
Otherwise you'd need to get a comparable Power Source inside of it somehow for said teleporting to get a big enough energy signature.
Through rather than an army, if we can get anything to teleport inside, I'd suggest borrowing Davros's Reality Bomb. Not sure even it could reach through all the layers of this thing but it should kill a lot of human pilots. Maybe enough to disable the infinity mech. Maybe back it up with the Ultimate Nullifier.
And while it won't work I had the idea of what if you took all the 5 transformer combiner transformers like Devastator and Superion and modify them to combine with five other gestalt combiners and who in turn combine with five more ect...like I said, I know it won't work but the idea amused me enough to share.
Yeah Xavier wouldn't be able to do it on his own. The target seems too big. But maybe if he had the Mind and Soul Gems of Infinity Gauntlet game it could amplify his powers at least to a multiple universal level. Which is still pretty tiny. But if he was given the Power Cosmic like the Heralds of Galactus it would amplify his psionic powers even more and which likely should be done before he gets access to any Infinity Gems.
It's really a question of the scale of distance and the Infinity Gems can work on a multiple universe scale if that is big enough. They'd all like have to be pretty close to said Infinity Jaeger regardless
They'd have to survive being in the presence of the physics crushing Jaeger so the Champions would need some sort of protection from physical reality and extreme gravitational forces and possess a ridiculous speed or ability to transport/teleport across vast distances of the Jaeger is moving.
Not familiar with TARDIS or Dr. Who generally but temporal shielding might protect from the physics/super black holes and just getting squished/splat in general.
Something like the Krenim Timeship from Year of Hell IIRC in Voyager which had the defense of being in a state of temporal flux so outside of spacetime which might make it immune to a great deal of the wonky physics (or maybe not if the Black Hole effects the Infinite Jaeger may have upon it's temporal shielding).
Still the issue of speed/distance and travel though.
The other idea is the Borealis from Half Life but that is so underwritten since it's from a literal blog post by the writer on how he'd of done the third Half Life. But that vessel was apparently able to travel from Earth to wherever the Combine Overworld was and in a short period of time potentially. But the entire how is really under explained as is the destination since we don't really know where the Combine Overworld is except probably another dimension far away from where any Earth would be located. Could be omniversal distances or merely sub-galactic.
Having Xavier travelling on a prototype Interdimensional Teleporter mounted on a Healy-class Icebreaker just to get close enough to an Infinite Jaeger to facilitate the transportation of a Reality Bomb via Saiyan Ki Powers does sound pretty wild tho, if I'm understanding everything correctly.
So coming upon this video of the size comparison of mecha.... this kind of helps bring everything to scale because at the end of the video it talks about mecha that dwaft solar systems, galaxies and even at the very end... the observable universe.
But the Infinity Jaeger video states that it calc'd out the Infinity Jaeger as being so large it'd be bigger then our Sun... if our observable Universe was the size of an atom.
Really brings the whole 'scaling' thing into focus and why it's such a big obstacle to overcome. Literally too big to fail.
But the Infinity Jaeger video states that it calc'd out the Infinity Jaeger as being so large it'd be bigger then our Sun... if our observable Universe was the size of an atom.
Really brings the whole 'scaling' thing into focus and why it's such a big obstacle to overcome. Literally too big to fail.
Bassoe
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STAY OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!!
Killing something before it is a thing isn't exactly worth being notable.
As is escaping it. Maybe AntMan can survive it by going to the Quantum Realm. Or a DnD Wizard can evade it by using a dimension door or teleport spell to go to the Outer Planes or something. So sure... possible, but the adversary still exists.
Also... with all of the talk of the Infinity Jaeger, a lot of the potential ideas that might work for the Jaeger would likely not apply to 40K Godzilla. Eliminating enough Humans to cause a cascading failure of a scenario in the Jaeger for example, which is the most reasonable proposal offered here, doesn't apply to 40K Godzilla which for all intents and purposes is apparently around the same ballpark in size, but doesn't have that vulnerability. You'd have to do some serious damage to lobotomize Godzilla or create some sort of organ failure or the like.
As is escaping it. Maybe AntMan can survive it by going to the Quantum Realm. Or a DnD Wizard can evade it by using a dimension door or teleport spell to go to the Outer Planes or something. So sure... possible, but the adversary still exists.
Also... with all of the talk of the Infinity Jaeger, a lot of the potential ideas that might work for the Jaeger would likely not apply to 40K Godzilla. Eliminating enough Humans to cause a cascading failure of a scenario in the Jaeger for example, which is the most reasonable proposal offered here, doesn't apply to 40K Godzilla which for all intents and purposes is apparently around the same ballpark in size, but doesn't have that vulnerability. You'd have to do some serious damage to lobotomize Godzilla or create some sort of organ failure or the like.
Scooby Doo
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Oryx, he simply takes them.
Bassoe
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There's gotta be some limits on Taking. I mean, his first reaction upon encountering the PCs wasn't to Take them to personally lead the assault on the City and massacre of their former coworkers. Though with Vex simulated reality shenanigans, it'd make for a neat DLC I'll admit.
Scooby Doo
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There are limits to taken (Not many) but he did try to Take the Guardians but he couldn't because of their Paracasuality. Guardians are also further referenced as immune by wearing Taken armor which we know can infect Vex who have molecular lvl manipulation so its a feat for Guardians.
And on the other hand Oryx has Taken a reality warping wishing dragon and planet+ Tai Emperor alien with ease, size of character shouldn't be an issue either since Oryx was able to take the essentially infinite amount of Vex in the vault of glass.
Taken is just one of the most OP hax in fiction
OMG I completely misinterpreted this post.
I thought you meant the military blog Oryx would just document the Infinite Jaeger and 40K Godzilla as losses and that would be that.
Scooby Doo
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Lol well I mean if you think about it the military blog is kinda outerversal 😹OMG I completely misinterpreted this post.
I thought you meant the military blog Oryx would just document the Infinite Jaeger and 40K Godzilla as losses and that would be that.