Which Post Apocalypse civilization can help the Paradise Island against the world?

[Scooby Doo]

So you are Eren, ROB gives you the chance to pick one of the following Civs to help Eldia as an alternative to genocide.


Scenario 1) NCR. (Fallout)
The NCR will be donating the same amount of resources and personnel that they did to the Mojave campaign in the defense for Eldia but their connection is through a magical portal interlinking the capital of the NCR to the capital of Paradise Island. (Which will close if Diplomacy breaks off)

The NCR logistical issues is significantly less than it had in canon so the quality of equipment and personnel is top notch but the quantity sent remains the same (However they won't mind training Eldians and arming them as well as providing other beneficial traits).

NCR offer a standing garrison of 13,000 Soldiers strong (60% NCR Troopers, 20% NCR Rangers, 20% NCR Heavy Troopers) with a guaranteed yearly commitment of 1,000 Troops of reinforcements and other weapons/supplies.

In addition to this they will supply several dozen Howitzers and hundreds of missile launchers with the schematics to build more.

This is at the cost however of the NCR getting access to at least ten million gallons of fresh water a year.



Scenario 2) The Commonwealth. (Walking Dead)

The Common Wealth will provide their 21st century military hardware and what ever spare Helicopters they have followed by a yearly commitment of 500 Soldiers to help Eldia.

In exchange they demand a permanent land succession for colonization (1,000 Acres worth). Like wise the portals between capitals remain up until Diplomacy ends.

Scenario 3) The Capital (Hunger Games, Composite)
The Capital will provide their weapons and Games technology (No nukes) and both the resources and schematics to produce more followed by a yearly commitment of 5,000 Peacekeeper troops.

But this is at the cost of being vassalized by The Capital (Paradise providing 1 tenth of its produced resources to the Capital every year) and having to donate twenty Eldian children a year to participate in the Hunger Games or other Capital experiments.

The portal between both "capitals" in this scenario remains permanently up.


Scenario 4) Machines (Matrix)
The Machines Capital connects to the capital of Paradise, the portal is permanent. The Machines see a new untapped source of fuel and offer to leave Eldia independent if you commit 150,000 humans to be harvested as a battery every year (Can be citizen or enemy) in exchange they will Guarantee a standing garrison of one million sentinels and only reinforcements to replenish the Garrison, the replenishments will arrive every following calendar year.

The portal is permanently open.

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Edit: Once you pick a faction the rest of the world's nations (Except Mikasa's) will commit to exterminating Paradise unless they are defeated Militarily at their nation capitals.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Machines would solve all the defensive problems rather readily but even harvesting enemies as batteries, much less tens of thousands of them, seems like too much even one time around, much less annually and the power imbalance actually makes backing out of the deal amicably that much less likely. So despite having everything needed, I'd recommend passing.

Panem has advanced technology and a large military which is clearly superior but no one else ultimately liked being their vassal and the tribute, including the children, just seems morally wrong. Granted it's a whole philosophical argument on utility but in a situation like this being morally better makes sense IMHO. Not to mention independent.

The Commonwealth actually seems appealing and honestly a thousand acres of farmland ain't much IMHO for modern troops and helicopters. Plus the ability to build advanced military hardware. The other bonus of the Commonwealth is that they're kinda on the brink as well, in a similar situation so a partnership like this "forged in fire" could create some strong camaraderie.

With that said I've never been impressed with the Commonwealths discount clonetroopers and then being resource scarce could be a downside. My biggest concern though is the Zombie Plague entering Paradis. Animating of the dead is not something Eldians or the world would want to deal wit.

This leaving the New California Republic. They have more quantity of troops but aren't in as dire straights or desperate as the Commonwealth.Thats a pretty strong garrison being offered and I think the fresh water is a worthy price to pay even if it may result in some rationing. The NCR might also be able to upgrade and uptrain Eldian troops and craftsmen more effectively too because they have had a lot of experience doing the same with technological regressed survivor communities and tribals etc.

So imma gonna go with the NCR.

 

[Agent23]

Eren, Eldria, is this supposed to be AoT?

In any case, I choose the Machines, all the easier to kick the stuffing out of that stupid setting.
I hate AoT.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Eren, Eldria, is this supposed to be AoT?

In any case, I choose the Machines, all the easier to kick the stuffing out of that stupid setting.
I hate AoT.

Well you're gonna need a plan to supply 150k humans a year to the machines, I don't think that's sustainable if you're just sacrificing your people

 

[Bear Ribs]

Put me in the "Despise AoT" group. That said, titans get to violate the laws of thermodynamics, and create both matter and energy from nothing. Their bodies are also boiling hot apparently. One Titan should be worth thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of humans to the machines for coppertop purposes.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Put me in the "Despise AoT" group. That said, titans get to violate the laws of thermodynamics, and create both matter and energy from nothing. Their bodies are also boiling hot apparently. One Titan should be worth thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of humans to the machines for coppertop purposes.

Tbf the issue was in AOT that various WWI technology level nations banded together to try and exterminate them.


They had several dozen pre dreadnaught naval vessels and a couple air blimps. The biggest one of the nations had an active one million strong standing army.


So paradise is looking at several million WWI esque soldiers with heavy artillery and bombs rolling up on them.

 

[Agent23]

Well you're gonna need a plan to supply 150k humans a year to the machines, I don't think that's sustainable if you're just sacrificing your people

Canonically Machines ran on solar and fusion before humanity blotted out the sky, methinks we can utilize that stuff again, but if you insist then fine, to keep them all stimulated I will put them all through a fusion fanfic of Hellraiser and the hentai game Starless, with some homages to Peter Watts thrown it here and there for good measure.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Canonically Machines ran on solar and fusion before humanity blotted out the sky, methinks we can utilize that stuff again, but if you insist then fine, to keep them all stimulated I will put them all through a fusion fanfic of Hellraiser and the hentai game Starless, with some homages to Peter Watts thrown it here and there for good measure.

So you'll just be like "oh just grab anyone on this island and be as cruel as possible".


What if they grab you???

 

[Agent23]

So you'll just be like "oh just grab anyone on this island and be as cruel as possible".


What if they grab you???

Are you seriously feeling bad for and defending a bunch of drawings in a purely hypothetical vs. debate?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Are you seriously feeling bad for and defending a bunch of drawings in a purely hypothetical vs. debate?

No I don't feel bad it's just your plan makes it sound like Biden made it up on the spot

Doesn't seem very practical is all I'm saying

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

No I don't feel bad it's just your plan makes it sound like Biden made it up on the spot

Doesn't seem very practical is all I'm saying

Okay if a plan can be described as "Bidenesque" something went wrong somewhere. I'd at least hold out for Obama level bad ideas. xD

 

[King Arts]

Well you're gonna need a plan to supply 150k humans a year to the machines, I don't think that's sustainable if you're just sacrificing your people

Couldn’t you just use the people you defeated? As long as you don’t exterminate them all just go dark elder on them. Destroy their armies and industries then harvest.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Couldn’t you just use the people you defeated? As long as you don’t exterminate them all just go dark elder on them. Destroy their armies and industries then harvest.

Seems morally distasteful, plus the Machines aren't exactly neighbors I'd trust. They enslaved their own Humans. Who knows what they'll do if they get a foothold in this place. At least with some of the other factions, you have some leverage in the military power department. And more practical tech sharing. And if you F up in the War you won't have to sacrifice tens of thousands of your own people.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Couldn’t you just use the people you defeated? As long as you don’t exterminate them all just go dark elder on them. Destroy their armies and industries then harvest.

That would require capturing 150k alive. Kinda difficult without going in the offense.

Your cap is limited to one million leaving about ten sentinels per person.

 

[King Arts]

Seems morally distasteful, plus the Machines aren't exactly neighbors I'd trust. They enslaved their own Humans. Who knows what they'll do if they get a foothold in this place. At least with some of the other factions, you have some leverage in the military power department. And more practical tech sharing. And if you F up in the War you won't have to sacrifice tens of thousands of your own people.

I mean yeah it's morally wrong. But so is trying to genocide someone. So why not make a deal with the machines. After all they enslaved the humans from their world because the humans wanted to wipe them out. So make a deal with the machines, then enslave the survivors of Marley and the other nations except fantasy Japan. Make them live in shitty lifestyle with no tech and just do occasionally harvests when they get to big to capture slaves to sell to the machines.

That would require capturing 150k alive. Kinda difficult without going in the offense.

Your cap is limited to one million leaving about ten sentinels per person.

I mean you'd have to go on the offensive eventually. That's how you beat the enemy America in ww2 did not just defend the borders and say come at me bro to the Nazis and Japanese. They had to go to them. You'll have to do the same.

Though I still think Fallout might be better.

 

[Agent23]

No I don't feel bad it's just your plan makes it sound like Biden made it up on the spot

Doesn't seem very practical is all I'm saying

Pfftt, Biden is an amateur compared to me!
I will be doing this for the lulz, he would do it because he is a professional politician with severe dementia that doesn't know what year it is without a teleprompter.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

Personally I would lean towards the Commonwealth. Out of all of them their demands seem the least costly versus firepower received and the one most easily spared.

Plus unlike some of the others they likely are in such dire straights they can't afford to break the treaty or backstab me.

I absolutely reject the machines offer. Non-human intelligences who few humans as cattle to be farmed? Worse by agreeing I'd have already proven to be treacherous and immoral meaning the machines have every reason to assume *I* can't be trusted.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Personally I would lean towards the Commonwealth. Out of all of them their demands seem the least costly versus firepower received and the one most easily spared.

Plus unlike some of the others they likely are in such dire straights they can't afford to break the treaty or backstab me.

I absolutely reject the machines offer. Non-human intelligences who few humans as cattle to be farmed? Worse by agreeing I'd have already proven to be treacherous and immoral meaning the machines have every reason to assume *I* can't be trusted.

Plus theoretically with the Commonwealth you can weaponize the zombie virus by dropping bodies in WWI nations and be safe in your giant walls.

 

[King Arts]

Personally I would lean towards the Commonwealth. Out of all of them their demands seem the least costly versus firepower received and the one most easily spared.

Plus unlike some of the others they likely are in such dire straights they can't afford to break the treaty or backstab me.

I absolutely reject the machines offer. Non-human intelligences who few humans as cattle to be farmed? Worse by agreeing I'd have already proven to be treacherous and immoral meaning the machines have every reason to assume *I* can't be trusted.

I’m sorry this is a stupid argument how are you treacherous? If you betrayed Eldia yes. Because you are Eldian. But enslaving the rest of humanity to the machines, or genociding them through the rumbling is not treason since you aren’t loyal to or a part of some pan human government or group. You care about Eldia, other humans are no different than aliens.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

I’m sorry this is a stupid argument how are you treacherous? If you betrayed Eldia yes. Because you are Eldian. But enslaving the rest of humanity to the machines, or genociding them through the rumbling is not treason since you aren’t loyal to or a part of some pan human government or group. You care about Eldia, other humans are no different than aliens.

Because, as you say, you view the other humans as "no different than aliens". If you will enslave or genocide them why should the Machines think that you'll somehow consider them "human"? It was such thinking which prompted the Machine-Human war in the Matrix universe IIRC and you'd have convinced them all of the worst, negative traits of mankind. For a race which already views humanity as little more than a battery.

Plus theoretically with the Commonwealth you can weaponize the zombie virus by dropping bodies in WWI nations and be safe in your giant walls.

Potentially yes, through I'd also add the risk of the zombie virus as a down side to picking the Commonwealth. The other is, of course, the fact they are setting up a colony which as any casual student of history knows is never a good thing long term. In this particular case I think it's mitigated by the Commonwealth's limited resources and population and, hopefully, they won't be able to pull a Hawaii on us. At least not before we can tech up and match them on more equal footing