What If? Which of these ships can survive the longest in the Star Wars Galaxy

[Sailor.X]

A bored ROB decides to have some fun at the expense of some of these ship crews expense. He takes ships from various universes and places them in the Star Wars Galaxy circa 10 years after the fall of the Old Republic. These are the ships

1: USS Enterprise NCC 1701-F (Has a Slipstream Drive) (Star Trek Picard/ Star Trek Online)
2: USS Odyssey (Post Unending) Stargate SG1
3: The SDF-1 (Robotech) Macross Saga
4: The Battlestar Galactica (NBSG)
5: The Battlestar Galactica (OBSG)
6: Moya (Farscape)
7: The Whitestar (Babylon 5)
8: USS Saratoga (Space Above and Beyond)
9: The Ark (Transformers G1)
10: The Space Battleship Yamato (Star Blazers)

These 10 Starships have been assembled together into a Battlegroup. All of the ships by act of ROB will work together for mutual survival. The Emperor has learned through the Force of the existence of these Battlegroup and has issued orders to have these ships destroyed. The Battlegroup has intel on the Empire and have a complete star map of the Galaxy. Also a few Wormholes that only they can access are located 5 Star Systems.

Tattooine System
Onderon System
Alderon System
Dantooine System
Endor System

The Battlegroup will be in the Star Wars Galaxy for 10 years. Can they evade and engage the Empire for that full time? And which ships make it to the end of the decade?

Special Note: The Battlegroup can if the opportunity arises help out people being attacked by Imperial Navy ships. While they are not joining the Rebellion. They can assist from time to time. The Commander of the Battlegroup will be Adama (OBSG).

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Enterprise F: I never watched Picard and never met the F in STO. The Enterprise-D was nigh invulnerable to almost anything in the setting. It was very rare for any other ship to be able to get through the D's shields and risk blowing it up. Then you got to the E, which was shrugging off hits from a Borg Cube. Presumably the F is even more ridiculously strong. I doubt anything in Star Wars could threaten the Enterprise except for the Death Star. By TNG, Starfleet vessels are pretty self sufficient and can go a long time without maintenance. Using advanced sensors, transporters, and replicator technology, it would be pretty trivial for the Enterprise to establish a base it can repair at.

USS Odyssey: I never made it to the end of SG-1, but Earth ships in Atlantis had insane firepower, being able to trade blows with Wraith hive ships and Ancient ships. Wraith hive ships had shields that could tank nuclear bombs. Also, the Odyssey could cross the distance between two GALAXIES within a few weeks. So again we're talking high powerlevels here. Again, only thing it probably has to worry about is the Death Star. Biggest problem is trying to maintenace the ship without with no support and no Star Trek replicator technology. Might have to become a contractor for a faction in the setting to remain operationally.

NuBSG Battlestar Galactica: screwed. No shields, limited jump range, long jump cooldowns, and limited jump fuel. Will have to make its way to the nearest planet ASAP and hope that their navy will take in the Galactica, but the Galactica is inferior your average Star Wars battleship so a navy has little reason to invest into repairing and overhauling the galactica over just building a new ship.

These 10 Starships have been assembled together into a Battlegroup.

In that case, being such good guys they are, the Enterprise will use their technology to improve the other ships (yay shields for Galactica! Replicators for the Odyssey, and so on). Everyone will be near self sufficient at this point. The Odyssey will also provide the blueprints for their high speed FTL, so no one will need to cut a deal with the factions of Star Wars to be able to get around if their ship is slow (like the Enterprise). Then the captains decide what they are going to do moving forward. Enterprise, Odyssey, and Galactica will probably wind up deciding to take down the Empire.

The Emperor has learned through the Force of the existence of these Battlegroup and has issued orders to have these ships destroyed.

Given the powerlevels and capability of the Enterprise and the Odyssey (which the other ships will gain as soon as they are retrofitted), there is little he can do about them. The battlegroup will annihilate anything. Only real problem might be how exactly big the Empire's industrial capacity is, if they are producing fleets of ships faster than the battlegroup can destroy them, but with replicator technology the battlegroup could begin multiplying their forces too. And there will be no shortage of disgruntled people in the galaxy who would be willing to crew those ships to fight the Empire.

 

[Sailor.X]

Enterprise F: I never watched Picard and never met the F in STO. The Enterprise-D was nigh invulnerable to almost anything in the setting. It was very rare for any other ship to be able to get through the D's shields and risk blowing it up. Then you got to the E, which was shrugging off hits from a Borg Cube. Presumably the F is even more ridiculously strong. I doubt anything in Star Wars could threaten the Enterprise except for the Death Star. By TNG, Starfleet vessels are pretty self sufficient and can go a long time without maintenance. Using advanced sensors, transporters, and replicator technology, it would be pretty trivial for the Enterprise to establish a base it can repair at.

USS Odyssey: I never made it to the end of SG-1, but Earth ships in Atlantis had insane firepower, being able to trade blows with Wraith hive ships and Ancient ships. Wraith hive ships had shields that could tank nuclear bombs. Also, the Odyssey could cross the distance between two GALAXIES within a few weeks. So again we're talking high powerlevels here. Again, only thing it probably has to worry about is the Death Star. Biggest problem is trying to maintenace the ship without with no support and no Star Trek replicator technology. Might have to become a contractor for a faction in the setting to remain operationally.

NuBSG Battlestar Galactica: screwed. No shields, limited jump range, long jump cooldowns, and limited jump fuel. Will have to make its way to the nearest planet ASAP and hope that their navy will take in the Galactica, but the Galactica is inferior your average Star Wars battleship so a navy has little reason to invest into repairing and overhauling the galactica over just building a new ship.




In that case, being such good guys they are, the Enterprise will use their technology to improve the other ships (yay shields for Galactica! Replicators for the Odyssey, and so on). Everyone will be near self sufficient at this point. The Odyssey will also provide the blueprints for their high speed FTL, so no one will need to cut a deal with the factions of Star Wars to be able to get around if their ship is slow (like the Enterprise). Then the captains decide what they are going to do moving forward. Enterprise, Odyssey, and Galactica will probably wind up deciding to take down the Empire.




Given the powerlevels and capability of the Enterprise and the Odyssey (which the other ships will gain as soon as they are retrofitted), there is little he can do about them. The battlegroup will annihilate anything. Only real problem might be how exactly big the Empire's industrial capacity is, if they are producing fleets of ships faster than the battlegroup can destroy them, but with replicator technology the battlegroup could begin multiplying their forces too. And there will be no shortage of disgruntled people in the galaxy who would be willing to crew those ships to fight the Empire.

A lot of Imperial Officers will die to the Battlegroup before they can be killed by Vader for incompetence.

 

[Agent23]

Trek is screwed.

SG-1 ships post-Unending are pretty powerful due to the Asgard tech and might be able to survive ok.

No idea what the yields for Macross are.

And what the hell did Moya do to you?

Farscape Leviathans are unarmed and pretty pacifistic.

OBSG - maybe.

nuBSG - not a chance, they get stomped.

 

[Sailor.X]

Trek is screwed.

SG-1 ships post-Unending are pretty powerful due to the Asgard tech and might be able to survive ok.

No idea what the yields for Macross are.

And what the hell did Moya do to you?

Farscape Leviathans are unarmed and pretty pacifistic.

OBSG - maybe.

nuBSG - not a chance, they get stomped.

The Trek Ship is the Enterprise F. It is one of the most powerful Starships in mainline Sci-fi. And has more firepower than an ISD. It had a Quantum Slipstream Drive as standard issue. Which is Galaxy spanning. And its shields can shrug off Borg weapons. It will dominate any engagement it comes into. It is a warship that moonlights as an exploratory vessel.

 

[Agent23]

The Trek Ship is the Enterprise F. It is one of the most powerful Starships in mainline Sci-fi. And has more firepower than an ISD. It had a Quantum Slipstream Drive as standard issue. Which is Galaxy spanning. And its shields can shrug off Borg weapons. It will dominate any engagement it comes into. It is a warship that moonlights as an exploratory vessel.

TNG era Trek is inferior to Wars in every vs. the GE has a massive advantage where yields are concerned.
I saw 2 episodes of Pukeard, then dropped it, that shit is just expansive, bad fan-fiction.

Beating up the Borg is not a major achievement when compared to the yield advantage of your average ISD, and the Borg were seen as impervious because of their trchnobabbel adapterion and numbers, not because of raw strength.

 

[Sailor.X]

TNG era Trek is inferior to Wars in every vs. the GE has a massive advantage where yields are concerned.
I saw 2 episodes of Pukeard, then dropped it, that shit is just expansive, bad fan-fiction.

Beating up the Borg is not a major achievement when compared to the yield advantage of your average ISD, and the Borg were seen as impervious because of their trchnobabbel adapterion and numbers, not because of raw strength.

You literally don't know anything about 25th Century Federation Starships. If you think The Enterprise F is in the same power range as the Enterprise D.

And to add you keep using the Old Legends Canon for Star Wars. Sorry buddy but Disney torpedoed that years ago. All you have is Disney Canon now. And the yields of Disney Star Wars fall way before even TNG era Star Trek. Let alone the more powerful 25th Century Starfleet.

 

[Agent23]

You literally don't know anything about 25th Century Federation Starships. If you think The Enterprise F is in the same power range as the Enterprise D.

And to add you keep using the Old Legends Canon for Star Wars. Sorry buddy but Disney torpedoed that years ago. All you have is Disney Canon now. And the yields of Disney Star Wars fall way before even TNG era Star Trek. Let alone the more powerful 25th Century Starfleet.

Did they decanonize ICS?

News to me.

 

[Sailor.X]

Did they decanonize ICS?

News to me.

Yes it has been decanonized since 2014. Disney took an ax to al the old Star Wars lore.

 

[Agent23]

Yes it has been decanonized since 2014. Disney took an ax to al the old Star Wars lore.

Citation needed.

If you want to prove that ICS is out you can do so, I am pretty sure that it was based on the OT and PT, not legends.

 

[Sailor.X]

Citation needed.

If you want to prove that ICS is out you can do so, I am pretty sure that it was based on the OT and PT, not legends.

Everything in the Old Star Wars books pre Disney is no longer Canon. Only what has been seen on screen is now Canon for Disney. Even some Disney books have been overulled by onscreen depictions. That is Disney policy So no more goofy calc numbers that don't match what is on screen.

'Star Wars' just nuked its entire Expanded Universe

This may sound like a pretty brutal decision, but it was unavoidable.

www.dailydot.com

 

[Agent23]

Everything in the Old Star Wars books pre Disney is no longer Canon. Only what has been seen on screen is now Canon for Disney. Even some Disney books have been overulled by onscreen depictions. That is Disney policy So no more goofy calc numbers that don't match what is on screen.

'Star Wars' just nuked its entire Expanded Universe

This may sound like a pretty brutal decision, but it was unavoidable.

www.dailydot.com

Is ICS part of the Expanded universe?

I do not think so, since it covers the OT and prequels.

 

[Sailor.X]

Is ICS part of the Expanded universe?

I do not think so, since it covers the OT and prequels.

Yes it is because the Calcs it had for it's weapons have been done away with. Like the one that had a Storm Trooper Rifle as powerful a a Grenade Launcher. Which was shown not to match onscreen showings.

Look even Star Destroyer.Net has accepted this fact. You are literally the lone hold out.

 

[Agent23]

Yes it is because the Calcs it had for it's weapons have been done away with. Like the one that had a Storm Trooper Rifle as powerful a a Grenade Launcher. Which was shown not to match onscreen showings.

Look even Star Destroyer.Net has accepted this fact. You are literally the lone hold out.

The visuals on which all the vsrious cslcs were based still hold, those put the SW ships in the gigaton renge.

Trek is hard-pressed to do single/double digit megaton.

I am surprised you are willing to stomach shit like Pukeard, btw.

 

[Bear Ribs]

The visuals on which all the vsrious cslcs were based still hold, those put the SW ships in the gigaton renge.

Trek is hard-pressed to do single/double digit megaton.

I am surprised you are willing to stomach shit like Pukeard, btw.

Pictured: Biggatons


In general Moya's going to be the worst off. She has no weaponry, Starburst is her only useful defensive maneuver and it's just a mid-range teleport, and she's organic tech that won't easily accept having a warp core or reflex cannon installed. On top of that she's fairly small compared to the other ships on the list and doesn't even bring good cargo capacity or support options.

The SDF-1 can probably one-shot the Death Star and can certainly one-shot anything smaller. If the Imperial fleet bunches up the way they usually do onscreen, it can probably take out an entire fleet considering its main gun has a massive area of effect. It carries a nigh-endless supply of fighters that will treat TIEs the way a BB gun treats empty beer cans. It has the disadvantage of being extremely slow and its inner workings are obtuse beyond belief so it will be hard to refit with any other tech. Ironically, I think Protoculture might be something they could feed to Moya and give her a bit of a boost though it's not going to give her weapons, and there's no telling what it will actually do. Given what Flower of Life did to some characters she might gain clairvoyance... wait... Jedi Living Starship?

Pictured: Actual Biggatons


The Yamato can also maybe one-shot anything with the Wave Motion Gun but lacks the SDF-1s fighter mechs. I'm not actually sure about its speed compared to the others, haven't seen that in a long time.

Enterprise-F is certainly powerful, with a QS drive it's not quite as fast as the best SW ships but can still cross the galaxy in a time measured in days. The general consensus in the Vs. debate community seems to be that the Federation can take on SW ships and win consistently due to higher firepower and durability, but fail a war due to travel time issues and the size of the Empire. Quantum Slipstream removes that issue entirely. As with the SDF-1, it will be murderous on TIE Fighters though that's because of how well we've seen phasers work on small fighters, not due to a fighter complement of its own. However, it's going to be the one they want to keep to the back line due to how useful Replicators are going to be at keeping everybody else going.

I didn't watch Stargate's various sequels all the way to the end so not very familiar with the Odyssey but even ships a generation or two before it had a massive speed advantage over everybody else on the list and fairly impressive firepower and I can't imagine they went backward. As noted, Stargate ships are usually not as self-sufficient as the others so it's going to need support, good thing the Enterprise is there.

The Battlestar Galactica ships are... unimpressive in both speed and abilities. Ideally, the fleet's going to want to scrap the Vipers and use their manufacturing ability to replace them with Valkyries. The Rebellion in general is going to get a tremendous boon if they can get Valkyrie production going large-scale and replace the X-wings and A-Wings with them.

"You will skim the trench to this point, then convert to Battloid mode and drop a giant proton grenade into the exhaust port."

The ARK... may not stick with the rest of the fleet. The Autobots really aren't super interested in humans beyond not harming them and have just as good of odds of faffing off to Wild Space somewhere the Empire can't reach and building New Cybertron. I'm not even entirely sure the ARK has an FTL drive, Cybertronians are so long-lived they might have skipped it and just planned on half a million years for a trip, or to use a Space Bridge. Assuming they do stick around, the durability feats for Gen 1 Cybertron tech are completely absurd, we have Megatron tanking an explosion so large it shifts planetary orbits and standing still taking a hit from what's described as "Every non-nuclear weapon in America's arsenal" for five minutes straight without a scratch just to flex on them. Unless they inexplicably decided to make the ARK out of much softer materials than their infantry they can probably tank anything that's name doesn't start with a D and end with an eath Star.

I'm unfamiliar with Space Above and Beyond so I don't have a good opinion there.

So putting it all together, these guys can take on the empire and win. Between the Reflex Cannon and the Wave Motion Gun, the two biggest ships in any enemy fleet can expect to die as soon as the engagement starts, more likely the entire fleet. Between the Ent-F's point defense and the Valkyries every single enemy fighter is going to die in short order. The Empire's best bet is to try to swarm them with corvettes, ships like the Raider II or Gozanti Cruisers that are tough enough to not instantly die to Valkeries but not large enough to be obvious magnets for the big guns, but even then the Area of Effect on the Reflex Cannon is going to inflict instant horrific losses and the Enterprise and Odyssey will chew through them like bubblegum. Also, that runs contrary to Imperial Doctrine so it would be a hard sell.

Basically, this is just way too much power for the Empire to handle barring Wankatine shenanigans or managing to send the entire Galaxy's worth of ships at them at once. Maybe if they get Rise of Skywalker tech where there're entire fleets of planet-killer Star Destroyers but not Imperial-Era ships.

 

[Agent23]

Pictured: Biggatons


In general Moya's going to be the worst off. She has no weaponry, Starburst is her only useful defensive maneuver and it's just a mid-range teleport, and she's organic tech that won't easily accept having a warp core or reflex cannon installed. On top of that she's fairly small compared to the other ships on the list and doesn't even bring good cargo capacity or support options.

The SDF-1 can probably one-shot the Death Star and can certainly one-shot anything smaller. If the Imperial fleet bunches up the way they usually do onscreen, it can probably take out an entire fleet considering its main gun has a massive area of effect. It carries a nigh-endless supply of fighters that will treat TIEs the way a BB gun treats empty beer cans. It has the disadvantage of being extremely slow and its inner workings are obtuse beyond belief so it will be hard to refit with any other tech. Ironically, I think Protoculture might be something they could feed to Moya and give her a bit of a boost though it's not going to give her weapons, and there's no telling what it will actually do. Given what Flower of Life did to some characters she might gain clairvoyance... wait... Jedi Living Starship?

Pictured: Actual Biggatons


The Yamato can also maybe one-shot anything with the Wave Motion Gun but lacks the SDF-1s fighter mechs. I'm not actually sure about its speed compared to the others, haven't seen that in a long time.

Enterprise-F is certainly powerful, with a QS drive it's not quite as fast as the best SW ships but can still cross the galaxy in a time measured in days. The general consensus in the Vs. debate community seems to be that the Federation can take on SW ships and win consistently due to higher firepower and durability, but fail a war due to travel time issues and the size of the Empire. Quantum Slipstream removes that issue entirely. As with the SDF-1, it will be murderous on TIE Fighters though that's because of how well we've seen phasers work on small fighters, not due to a fighter complement of its own. However, it's going to be the one they want to keep to the back line due to how useful Replicators are going to be at keeping everybody else going.

I didn't watch Stargate's various sequels all the way to the end so not very familiar with the Odyssey but even ships a generation or two before it had a massive speed advantage over everybody else on the list and fairly impressive firepower and I can't imagine they went backward. As noted, Stargate ships are usually not as self-sufficient as the others so it's going to need support, good thing the Enterprise is there.

The Battlestar Galactica ships are... unimpressive in both speed and abilities. Ideally, the fleet's going to want to scrap the Vipers and use their manufacturing ability to replace them with Valkyries. The Rebellion in general is going to get a tremendous boon if they can get Valkyrie production going large-scale and replace the X-wings and A-Wings with them.

"You will skim the trench to this point, then convert to Battloid mode and drop a giant proton grenade into the exhaust port."

The ARK... may not stick with the rest of the fleet. The Autobots really aren't super interested in humans beyond not harming them and have just as good of odds of faffing off to Wild Space somewhere the Empire can't reach and building New Cybertron. I'm not even entirely sure the ARK has an FTL drive, Cybertronians are so long-lived they might have skipped it and just planned on half a million years for a trip, or to use a Space Bridge. Assuming they do stick around, the durability feats for Gen 1 Cybertron tech are completely absurd, we have Megatron tanking an explosion so large it shifts planetary orbits and standing still taking a hit from what's described as "Every non-nuclear weapon in America's arsenal" for five minutes straight without a scratch just to flex on them. Unless they inexplicably decided to make the ARK out of much softer materials than their infantry they can probably tank anything that's name doesn't start with a D and end with an eath Star.

I'm unfamiliar with Space Above and Beyond so I don't have a good opinion there.

So putting it all together, these guys can take on the empire and win. Between the Reflex Cannon and the Wave Motion Gun, the two biggest ships in any enemy fleet can expect to die as soon as the engagement starts, more likely the entire fleet. Between the Ent-F's point defense and the Valkyries every single enemy fighter is going to die in short order. The Empire's best bet is to try to swarm them with corvettes, ships like the Raider II or Gozanti Cruisers that are tough enough to not instantly die to Valkeries but not large enough to be obvious magnets for the big guns, but even then the Area of Effect on the Reflex Cannon is going to inflict instant horrific losses and the Enterprise and Odyssey will chew through them like bubblegum. Also, that runs contrary to Imperial Doctrine so it would be a hard sell.

Basically, this is just way too much power for the Empire to handle barring Wankatine shenanigans or managing to send the entire Galaxy's worth of ships at them at once. Maybe if they get Rise of Skywalker tech where there're entire fleets of planet-killer Star Destroyers but not Imperial-Era ships.

We have Solo's comments about the Imperial Starfleet, we have the observations of the damage Slave I's seismic charges did, etc, etc.
Lots and lots of stuff that backs the huge calcs.

 

[Sailor.X]

The visuals on which all the vsrious cslcs were based still hold, those put the SW ships in the gigaton renge.

Trek is hard-pressed to do single/double digit megaton.

I am surprised you are willing to stomach shit like Pukeard, btw.

Um no they don't. The only ship that has a truly impressive amount of firepower were the 2 Deathstars. All other ships have Megaton range firepower. Federation ships however can tank a planet being Yeeted right in front of them.

 

[Agent23]

Um no they don't. The only ship that has a truly impressive amount of firepower were the 2 Deathstars. All other ships have Megaton range firepower. Federation ships however can tank a planet being Yeeted right in front of them.

Pffttt, more technobabel-based weapons, we have never seen them actually do it and it was speculated that was not due to yield but a weird chain reaction type thing the Trek writers like to use, aka Treknobabel.

 

[Sailor.X]

Pffttt, more technobabel-based weapons, we have never seen them actually do it and it was speculated that was not due to yield but a weird chain reaction type thing the Trek writers like to use, aka Treknobabel.

A planet exploding regardless of what causes it. Has always been a multi Tetraton explosion due to what happens when a planet suddenly loses cohesion. The fact the Shields of Voyager took the blast and didn't explode. Unlike a certain Star Destroyer in an asteroid field.



Yeah the vaunted ISDs aren't that durable when hit with rocks.

 

[Bear Ribs]

We have Solo's comments about the Imperial Starfleet, we have the observations of the damage Slave I's seismic charges did, etc, etc.
Lots and lots of stuff that backs the huge calcs.

Solo's comments? So are you going with there being less than a thousand ships in the entire Imperial Starfleet if you're taking his hasty statements as authoritative?