When is it best to extend an Olive Branch in the Political World?

[Curved_Sw0rd]

To elaborate, when is it best to reach out across Political Aisles, and how best does one do it? This is in light of both the Culture War and, in part, the whole Groyper fiasco. Because as I see it, nothing really productive comes from just hurling insults at one another.

 

[Bigking321]

When whatever the issue at hand doesn't affect a core value that is disagreed about.

Admittedly, with the extreme polarization we have today such issues are few and far between. The Democrats practically define themselves as being in opposition to whatever the Republicans try to do, even if it's something they themselves were advocating for a couple years ago.

But extending a olive branch isn't particularly hard to do. Just offering to discuss a issue with the other side in a frank but civil way would easily count nowadays.

It's just that both sides, particularly Democrats, are having to deal with the fact that they would rather politically grandstand and bash the other side than actually get anything done, hence the extreme gridlock and animosity we have today.

So the way I see it, the best way to extend olive branches is to constantly offer to try and do actual debates on issues to attempt to knock out some kinda bill to vote on. Now obviously you can't force the other side to be reasonable, but you can't help that. All you can do is try, and just maybe, make some inroads with other decent people you can get along with even if you disagree with some or most of their views.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

That's fair, I suppose. It can be frustrating as hell when some people clam up and refuse to play nice, though.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

That's fair, I suppose. It can be frustrating as hell when some people clam up and refuse to play nice, though.

People may or may not really be truly willing to see things from your view or not try and say that you’re saying something else

That said, I think for one particular member who believes that government restricting free speech due to memetic hazards and restring or controlling most of the economy as naturally all the corrupt businessmen are in power better without any government at all....forgetting that the government is not infalliable either and that corruption may take a long while to detected and remove from something given so much power.....we are sort of pushing through with actual arguments

Unlike the FarLeft members we had or now have.....strangely enough two of those guys are gone even if we use his one meme thread so often and he used to be proud enough of Communism to have a Joseph Stalin avatar

 

[Bigking321]

That's fair, I suppose. It can be frustrating as hell when some people clam up and refuse to play nice, though.

And that's why Whitehall is known as a toxic cesspool even on the rest of sb.

Sometimes the only thing you can do is try your best to be civil and when others refuse to reciprocate just wash your hands of it and leave them to their own devices.

All you can control is you.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

And that's why Whitehall is known as a toxic cesspool even on the rest of sb.

Sometimes the only thing you can do is try your best to be civil and when others refuse to reciprocate just wash your hands of it and leave them to their own devices.

All you can control is you.

That or refuse to talk much about or reference modern day politics

Though, on QQ, the Left looks to get away with things more.....I am now remembering that one fic by Cherico wherein Missy/Vista’s dad and Brian/Grue’s dad talked to each other and talked about what occurred with their wives, the latter admittedly had it worse given that his wife was a horrible drug addict who kept custody of Aisha/Imp

They chose to go be friends and work out or box together.....sounds like something you can Yaoi ship it

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

To elaborate, when is it best to reach out across Political Aisles, and how best does one do it? This is in light of both the Culture War and, in part, the whole Groyper fiasco. Because as I see it, nothing really productive comes from just hurling insults at one another.

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man.

 

[Curved_Sw0rd]

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man.

I know, I know! But there's no way around it, not without carefully curating everyone you interact with online.

 

[Floridaman]

I know, I know! But there's no way around it, not without carefully curating everyone you interact with online.

Meh,I say follow the golden rule, if they can tolerate my politics that is fine I will return the favor, but if they don’t I will treat them the exact same way they try to treat me, if the mods are fair, then we both leave bruised, if not then there is no benefit to me remaining in that community.

 

[Floridaman]

Meh,I say follow the golden rule, if they can tolerate my politics that is fine I will return the favor, but if they don’t I will treat them the exact same way they try to treat me, if the mods are fair, then we both leave bruised, if not then there is no benefit to me remaining in that community.

To elaborate, When I mean I would leave, I am including if the mods unfairly take my side as well. I go to these forums for a free exchange of ideas, if the forum doesn’t have that then it is worthless to me as a platform.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Meh,I say follow the golden rule, if they can tolerate my politics that is fine I will return the favor, but if they don’t I will treat them the exact same way they try to treat me,

Been awhile since I saw someone IRL know what the golden rule is, I tried arguing it with my mom, but instead of agreeing with the whole don’t do unto others what you don’t want to do to you, she twisted it or said it was something else

Then again she is an idiot and keeps on “warning” me to not to watch or read violent sexual things even though I am 23 and will never really hurt anyone much less fuck a girl or do anything or give people my actual address online.....real idiot to still believe that shit till now

 

[Cherico]

If people are willing to be civil to you then being civil back doesn't hurt you.

But if the other side gleefully uses false rape accusations, protects domestic terrorists so they can attack you, openly tries to censor and deplatform you, and on top of that is trying to destroy your ability to have a job, and do banking then you don't owe those fuckers any civility.

 

[Bigking321]

Been awhile since I saw someone IRL know what the golden rule is, I tried arguing it with my mom, but instead of agreeing with the whole don’t do unto others what you don’t want to do to you, she twisted it or said it was something else

Umm...

Quick point of order. The golden rule is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

It's a positive motivator. Treat others as you would want to be treated.

The one you are using is sometimes known as the silver rule. Don't do to others what you wouldn't want to happen to you.

It's a inversion or negative of the golden rule, in that it requires no positive interactions at all with other people, just no negative actions. Like don't start trouble or something.

The golden rule and the silver rule are very different things.

Just pointing it out. The rest of your post was fine.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

If people are willing to be civil to you then being civil back doesn't hurt you.

But if the other side gleefully uses false rape accusations, protects domestic terrorists so they can attack you, openly tries to censor and deplatform you, and on top of that is trying to destroy your ability to have a job, and do banking then you don't owe those fuckers any civility.

Ever read Aristillus by Travis J Corcoran? There’s one problem pointed out for doing that

Even if your opposition does really horrible shit to you and your people, if you hit back, you will make them into martyrs

It’s partially why the MC who was basically John Galt or Andrew Ryan but a LOT nicer and more human and extremely principled(but able to see flaws)was shocked at the idea of imitating The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.....where they actually use nukes on the guys on earth

And that’s coming from a guy who basically was put inside a gulag and knows other guys with very similar experiences amongst the moons population

 

[Floridaman]

Ever read Aristillus by Travis J Corcoran? There’s one problem pointed out for doing that

Even if your opposition does really horrible shit to you and your people, if you hit back, you will make them into martyrs

It’s partially why the MC who was basically John Galt or Andrew Ryan but a LOT nicer and more human and extremely principled(but able to see flaws)was shocked at the idea of imitating The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.....where they actually use nukes on the guys on earth

And that’s coming from a guy who basically was put inside a gulag and knows other guys with very similar experiences amongst the moons population

The problem is no matter what you do, they will always claim you deserve what they are doing, in other words they are already claiming they are martyrs.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The problem is no matter what you do, they will always claim you deserve what they are doing, in other words they are already claiming they are martyrs.

Only way to beat them is to bring up their own crimes and insanity in such a way that lots of them alongside reluctants are redpilled

I am pretty sure lots of women are getting real fucking pissed at Feminists these days

Lots of “minorities” are probably being disillusioned by their “brothers&sisters” and finding themselves ironically friends with the guys who are supposed to be their oppressors

Also, TANSTAAFL, you may get guys(even immigrants and “minorities”) in larger numbers going for Trade School or using the internet as a means of education to get those skills because they don’t want to spend time at college or schools for one reason or another

Though there is a problem

Simply put, running away or living and being with others in secret will eventually result in THEM coming for YOU

You somehow secretly made a much nicer equivalent of Rapture? Well you and your people are FUCKED because the guys on the surface want all your stuff and are calling their invasion a “liberation” and intend to drown you out with mainlanders

 

[Floridaman]

Only way to beat them is to bring up their own crimes and insanity in such a way that lots of them alongside reluctants are redpilled

I am pretty sure lots of women are getting real fucking pissed at Feminists these days

Lots of “minorities” are probably being disillusioned by their “brothers&sisters” and finding themselves ironically friends with the guys who are supposed to be their oppressors

Also, TANSTAAFL, you may get guys(even immigrants and “minorities”) in larger numbers going for Trade School or using the internet as a means of education to get those skills because they don’t want to spend time at college or schools for one reason or another

Though there is a problem

Simply put, running away or living and being with others in secret will eventually result in THEM coming for YOU

You somehow secretly made a much nicer equivalent of Rapture? Well you and your people are FUCKED because the guys on the surface want all your stuff and are calling their invasion a “liberation” and intend to drown you out with mainlanders

I don’t disagree, I am just pointing out the hope something will change is a small comfort for people who are attacked.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I don’t disagree, I am just pointing out the hope something will change is a small comfort for people who are attacked.

What was that line about how those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution imminent?

The only hope is that technology advances to the point that people can produce goods and services WITHOUT needing to congregate and centralize power so much

And people gain a sort of libertarian but sorta communal culture

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

I will never really hurt anyone much less fuck a girl

Not with that attitude you wont. Both of those are pretty important things.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Not with that attitude you wont. Both of those are pretty important things.

Uninterested, besides, I have more comfort reading/playing/watching/listening to fictional characters than dealing with people irl