Star Wars What would your sequel trilogy have been?

Buba

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Poe
Poe was pretty good as he was, IMO, so I would have kept him largely the same.
Huh?
YMMV - Poe not getting executed for desertion, rebellion, unauthorised operations, breach of security, passing secrets to the enemy etc. etc. was one of the bigger nails into the coffin of Ep.VIII/Sequel Saga for me. He played a significant part in my realisation, half way while watching Ep.VIII in the cinema, that once I leave the theatre, I mind-scrub myself and forget what I've just seen. And that Star Wars consists of six movies :)

I don't know what I'd do :) but I'd start from scratch. Sequels are garbage beyond salvage.
 
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Val the Moofia Boss

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First, I wouldn't retread the Original Trilogy aesthetics.

One of the things I really liked about Lucas is that with the Prequels, he pretty much created a new setting and new aesthetics. Whereas the OT had run down, cobbled together spaceships, and planets like Tattooine, Hoth, Endor, etc, for the Prequels Lucas tried to do new stuff. Tatooine is the only returning planet, everything else is new. New factions, new races, new characters, new aesthetics. Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, and the Emperor were the only returning characters. It really freshened up Star Wars. It enlarged the universe, and didn't feel like a rehash of old stuff (like Disney's sequel trilogy was).

So far my hypothetical sequel trilogy, I would have done just that. Show a reconstruction era, of sorts, like post WW2 Japan and Europe where everyone is rebuilding and culture is thriving. You'd see new ships being built to look beautiful again, but unlike the decay of the prequels. You'd see fledging but functional and idealistic governments. New planets and races, maybe set in another part of the galaxy. I'd be hesitant to bring in Jedi and Sith, as I wouldn't want to retread that. Keep the OT characters like Leia as supporting characters in the background, but the story should be about the new characters.
 

UltimatePaladin

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To expand on my thoughts, Poe, Finn, and Rey would each have a defined set of skills in the story (this mostly being done to address Rey.)

Poe is the pilot and the diplomat. He knows his way around a cockpit, and how to talk to people. If I stopped there, he'd be the Han Solo of the bunch. However, he isn't a smuggler. Underhanded solutions (like shooting a bounty hunter under the table,) don't occur to him, he doesn't have a bunch of contacts with the criminal underworld, and he hasn't been involved in too many shootouts, so to speak.

Finn is the soldier. Having been a stormtrooper, he has been trained in blasters, thermal detonators, and so on. In addition, he's fighting against the Empire/First Order/Remnant - he knows how they operate, and how to turn their tactics against them. However, he's less capable outside of a firefight - having no idea how normal people are supposed to be from his upbringing and training.

Finally, Rey is a mechanic/force-user. Mechanic skills come from being a scavenger - people paid more for working parts than not-working parts, so she learned how to repair the stuff she found. She already knows how to use basic force powers from the beginning of the story - things like push, and jump, which she learned through trial and error and to help her scavenging. However, she is hampered by a lack of formalized training.

On a somewhat related note, Phasma will also be getting a few changes, mainly to make her more of a threat to the heroes. If we're going based on the original film - when Poe and Finn get shot down, it's because Phasma got into a TIE (that she took from some poor pilot,) to do so. Similarly, instead of TR-8R, it would be Phasma who faces down Finn to get information on the map. Stuff like that - back up her looks with feats.
 

Navarro

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It needs more character development.

One of the most appealing aspects of the Thrawn Trilogy is that Thrawn, Pellaeon, Karrde, etc are fully-fleshed out characters. Especially the Pellaeon-Thrawn dynamic, where the reader very much emphasizes with Pellaeon. He is as much a protagonist as he is antagonist.

Compare them to Hux, or Phasma. Even more than Rey or Finn, they are cardboard cutout bad guys. Especially Phasma. Or Snoke. Who is he, and why do we care? That's just flat out bad writing. At least with Hux, there is some attempt at a bro but competition and pseudohomoerotic tension between Hux and Ben Solo.

If you can't have sophisticated bad guys, at least make them intimidating. Skeletor has more menace in his pinkie finger-bone than all the FO put together.
 

BlackDragon98

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On the subject of the sequels.
Personally, I'd go for a full scale adaptation of the EU books about the era after Fall of the Empire. Add Thrawn, Pelleon, Daala, Mara Jade, etc.
Throw in all the Solo and Skywalker children; Jacen, Jaina, Anakin, and Ben, along with Luke's new Jedi Order.
Make things more realistic and interesting, with the Empire collapsing into warlordism and the New Republic being fragile and weak after it's creation.
Make Thrawn be the villain in the first movie and have him die at the conclusion of the second, with hints in the the after credit scenes of both movies showing the real threat; the Yuuzhan Vong. In the third, fourth, and fifth movie, have it be about the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and how the New Republic and Imperials have to band together to save the galaxy from the evil Yuuzhan Vong. The Imperials are already a unified force under Daala, after she decides to put an end to the incessant warlordism and save the Imperial Remnant from consuming each other in endless conflict after the death of Thrawn at the end of the second movie.

At the end of the fifth movie, the New Republic has now become powerful, but is also faced with an equally powerful Imperial Remnant under the unified leadership of Daala and Pelleon. The end credit scenes will show how the war against the Yuuzhan Vong (and the death of his brother Anakin during the war) has changed Jacen and show evidence of his fall to the Dark Side, with him holding the ruined mask of his grandfather Darth Vader after ending a holo meeting with Daala, the head of the Imperial Remnant.

One thing I can't understand is how Darth Kennedy the Woke and her lackeys fail to see how this represents a strong female character.
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In case you don't know, the woman in the gas mask is Natasi Daala, while the dude putting on the gas mask is Gilad Pelleon.
And this happens in the novel Darksaber, after the defeat of Thrawn.
And these are Daala's exact words before she releases the nerve gas:
"I didn't want to rule. I had no intention of becoming a political leader—but you have given me no choice. I cannot leave the Empire in the hands of fools like you."

Her and Mara Jade are what I wanted to see in the Sequels, except all I got is Holdo and Rey.
What a disappointment!


If you can't have sophisticated bad guys, at least make them intimidating. Skeletor has more menace in his pinkie finger-bone than all the FO put together.
A single Yuuzhan Vong warrior scares me more than the entire First Order.
 
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Doomsought

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The key to star wars is that each trilogy should have a unified narrative arch that sets the theme for the movies and their sub plots.

The them of the sequels should be redemption. Each of the heroes should have some dark past that they are trying to overcome, and succeed in overcoming during the movies.
Finn is obvious a great choice as a storm-trooper.
I would make Rey a Red Sith, the last of them in the entire galaxy, descended from a few refugees who escaped the massacre of Tund by Darth Sidious. Make here innately gifted at alchemy but a terrible and foolhardy combatant. Make her anger and aggression a flaw that she has to fix.
Give them a Republic intelligence agent that is getting them funds in a very seedy manner.

The super-weapon from the first movie can be kept mostly the same, except that it has components from the Star Forge. Mostly focuses on Finn's character development arch.
The second movie is rescue mission to a New Order Gulag and the subsequent escape on a transport with a sabotaged hyper drive. The hyper-drive is leaking fuel making it easy to trace, and shouldn't work at all except Rey keeps it working by using alchemy. The character development arch in the movie is Rey having to overcome her anger issues as she is constantly channeling the force.
The third movie is about stealing the key components to take control of the star forge. It ends with Rey hijacking it and using the cloning facilities to revive her species from extinction, and a monologue about the Red Sith getting a second chance where they don't have to be evil.
 

BlackDragon98

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The key to star wars is that each trilogy should have a unified narrative arch that sets the theme for the movies and their sub plots.

The them of the sequels should be redemption. Each of the heroes should have some dark past that they are trying to overcome, and succeed in overcoming during the movies.
Finn is obvious a great choice as a storm-trooper.
I would make Rey a Red Sith, the last of them in the entire galaxy, descended from a few refugees who escaped the massacre of Tund by Darth Sidious. Make here innately gifted at alchemy but a terrible and foolhardy combatant. Make her anger and aggression a flaw that she has to fix.
Give them a Republic intelligence agent that is getting them funds in a very seedy manner.

The super-weapon from the first movie can be kept mostly the same, except that it has components from the Star Forge. Mostly focuses on Finn's character development arch.
The second movie is rescue mission to a New Order Gulag and the subsequent escape on a transport with a sabotaged hyper drive. The hyper-drive is leaking fuel making it easy to trace, and shouldn't work at all except Rey keeps it working by using alchemy. The character development arch in the movie is Rey having to overcome her anger issues as she is constantly channeling the force.
The third movie is about stealing the key components to take control of the star forge. It ends with Rey hijacking it and using the cloning facilities to revive her species from extinction, and a monologue about the Red Sith getting a second chance where they don't have to be evil.
While I like the idea, I think that having Rey descend from the Sorcerers of Tund is a bit too obscure for most fans.
A better origin (no offense to your idea of course) would be to have her be a descendant of Red Sith from one of Naga Sadow's warships which was damaged during the battle against the Republic after Ludo Kressh's defeat.
Naga Sadow (superpowered battle meditation crystal) and Ludo Kressh (the Gauntlet of Kressh) marked a high point in Sith alchemy and much knowledge was lost after their civil war and the Republic attack on Sadow's fleet and Korriban after his victory over Kressh.
Sort of like the Lost Tribe of Sith, except there are only Red Sith because the ship was mostly crewed by Red Sith and the humans among the crew were gradually assimilated into the Red Sith over generations.
It's also a good explanation of how Rey is so good at sorcery and alchemy, due to the knowledge from Sadow's era that was retained by the crew of the battleship.

I really like your ideal that the Red Sith don't have to dark siders, as it goes very well with the "Dawn of the Force" comic series that was published right before the Rat took over Lucasfilms. It also ties in well with the Star Forge idea.
Sek'nos Rath was both a Red Sith and a loyal Jedi.
The two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.
 

Bear Ribs

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If you want an alternate force tradition you could tie Rey into the Nightsisters. They already played a role in Clone Wars and Rebels and they have their own unique aesthetic, being basically Voodoo* Priestesses to the Sith's Evil Sorcerers and the Jedi's Wuxia Monks. That makes them both unique and less obscure to watchers.

Granted all the Nightsisters are dead by the sequel era but it wouldn't be hard to have Asajj Ventress rebuild the order in the backstory, or just have it turn out there was a hidden village of them on another continent Grievous missed.

*By this I mean TV Voodoo, not the actual real life religion.
 

BlackDragon98

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If you want an alternate force tradition you could tie Rey into the Nightsisters. They already played a role in Clone Wars and Rebels and they have their own unique aesthetic, being basically Voodoo* Priestesses to the Sith's Evil Sorcerers and the Jedi's Wuxia Monks. That makes them both unique and less obscure to watchers.

Granted all the Nightsisters are dead by the sequel era but it wouldn't be hard to have Asajj Ventress rebuild the order in the backstory, or just have it turn out there was a hidden village of them on another continent Grievous missed.

*By this I mean TV Voodoo, not the actual real life religion.
They could just make her a regular Dathomari.
The nightsisters were only one of many witch clans of Dathomire and the most extremist.
 

Bear Ribs

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They could just make her a regular Dathomari.
The nightsisters were only one of many witch clans of Dathomire and the most extremist.
I think that was the case in the EU but there were only Nightsisters in Clone Wars and Rebels. That said yeah, could also just have a non-Nightsister group of Dathomiri with similar powers.
 

BlackDragon98

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I think that was the case in the EU but there were only Nightsisters in Clone Wars and Rebels. That said yeah, could also just have a non-Nightsister group of Dathomiri with similar powers.
Just one of the reasons why I don't like the 2008 Clone Wars.
It was a kid's show that the creators tried to stuff realistic elements into, before realizing that they can only do so much because of the rating ceiling.

The 2003 Tartarkovsky Clone Wars on the other hand. . .
That was, is, and shall be the CORTOSIS standard!
 

Captain X

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I have to admit, I was still more intrigued by what hints there were in the Thrawn trilogy about the Clone Wars than what ended up actually being made.
 

Doomsought

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If you want an alternate force tradition you could tie Rey into the Nightsisters. They already played a role in Clone Wars and Rebels and they have their own unique aesthetic, being basically Voodoo* Priestesses to the Sith's Evil Sorcerers and the Jedi's Wuxia Monks. That makes them both unique and less obscure to watchers.
The key point is her being an alchemist, and that all of her aggression is a personality flaw that is preventing her from realizing her true strength.
 

Bear Ribs

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The key point is her being an alchemist, and that all of her aggression is a personality flaw that is preventing her from realizing her true strength.
That does make for a decent character. Do note the Nightsisters were all alchemists as well, potions and some technique for preserving and reanimating the dead played a major role in their battles. Along with lightbows because why not?
 

Doomsought

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That does make for a decent character. Do note the Nightsisters were all alchemists as well, potions and some technique for preserving and reanimating the dead played a major role in their battles. Along with lightbows because why not?
That would work.

Though part of the reason I wanted to make her a red Sith is to rectify the lack of named character aliens in the new movies. I also planned to make the name of her species unsaid until a big reveal during the second movie, where Snoke confronted her and tries to convince her that she needs to join the forces of evil because she has both dark side heritage and dark side powers. (The Jedi do use some Alchemy, both in the construction of light sabers and the agro-corps, but Snoke is an unreliable narrator and the Sith Empire exploited Alchemy far more than the Jedi)
 

Bear Ribs

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That would work.

Though part of the reason I wanted to make her a red Sith is to rectify the lack of named character aliens in the new movies. I also planned to make the name of her species unsaid until a big reveal during the second movie, where Snoke confronted her and tries to convince her that she needs to join the forces of evil because she has both dark side heritage and dark side powers. (The Jedi do use some Alchemy, both in the construction of light sabers and the agro-corps, but Snoke is an unreliable narrator and the Sith Empire exploited Alchemy far more than the Jedi)
That I can certainly get behind. One of the sorer lacks of the sequels, I found, was that aliens were rare and instead of the canon races everything suddenly became brown/orange, wrinkly, and bald.
 

BlackDragon98

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That would work.

Though part of the reason I wanted to make her a red Sith is to rectify the lack of named character aliens in the new movies. I also planned to make the name of her species unsaid until a big reveal during the second movie, where Snoke confronted her and tries to convince her that she needs to join the forces of evil because she has both dark side heritage and dark side powers. (The Jedi do use some Alchemy, both in the construction of light sabers and the agro-corps, but Snoke is an unreliable narrator and the Sith Empire exploited Alchemy far more than the Jedi)
I think my idea with the crashed battleship of Naga Sadow's fleet from the Old Sith Wars era would work very well with the whole alchemy thing.
And Rey can just have red skin, making her species ambiguous until the reveal.
This is in line with the established canon about Red Sith, how the more pureblooded ones have bone tendrils on their face and other distinguishing factors while the ones with more human blood only have red skin as their distinguishing feature.

The Red Sith from the crashed battleship would have evolved over the many centuries on the world which they are stranded on (i think a jungle world would work best), and settle down on the jungle world after trying and failing to repair their battleship. They use their force powers and alchemy to bend the planets, animals, and earth to serve them, turning the lush, yet uninhabited jungle world into their own paradise. Over time, the human population disappears due to interbreeding with the Red Sith (the majority of the crew are Red Sith because the battleship was on a special mission at the time as a transport for Sith warriors, scholars, and alchemists), leaving only Red Sith with varying degrees of purity (as I explained earlier).

The Red Sith from the battleship eventually become the only Red Sith left in the galaxy because the rest of their species have died out from their incessant wars against the Republic and internal conflicts against each other.

If you think this is not possible, know that there's a inverted example in canon, the Korunnai.
They are tribes of humans, with the exception that they are all Force sensitive and that they are theorized to be the descendants of Jedi whose ship crashed on that planet during the Great Sith War.
Mace Windu is the most well known member of the Korunnai.
 

Abhorsen

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One of the biggest thing about an adaptation of the trilogy (versus a total redo), is getting Finn right (and to a lesser degree Phasma). The demasking of the stormtroopers is huge. Prior to this, they are a generic bad guy, which is absolutely fine and makes them easy cannon fodder that no one cares about. The unmasking instantly changes this calculation, as suddenly they are human. This really helped in the prequel, as we didn't think of clones as just expendable as we saw their face, despite it being the same face all the time, which made their sudden betrayal all the more saddening, as the biggest step of a person to a machine, and their path to becoming the interchangeable stormtroopers.

But in the sequels, there is no consequences to this. Finn doesn't really hesitate to fight his enemies, there is no great struggle for the souls of the stormtroopers. It comes across as Finn's just very special.

The other thing they need to do is not shit over the original trilogy by getting rid of it. The New Republic dying as an afterthought, Luke and Han being losers? get rid of that shit.

The best part of the trilogy was Kylo Ren in the first movie. He was a really convincing bad guy. Not that he was an intimidating one, but that he had a convincing story: idolizing the past because he had no grasp of what it really meant. He'd strike out in anger, damaging equipment, which is such a nice contrast to his idol taking out his anger on the incompetent officer, putting his troops in a better position long term.
 
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