Stargate What if you were sent back in time in the Stargate Universe?

johnreiter

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I got this idea after reading the Stargate SG-1 novel Roswell. In it, Vala and Cam are stranded in 1908, and after accidentally changing history, they use their knowledge of the future to get rich and excavate the Stargate early, so they can find a way to go back in time and fix history.

This made me think, what if a person with full knowlege of the Stargate franchise were sent back in time to 1908 in the Stargate universe? What could/would you do to change history? This is the plan I came up with.

First, I would do like Cam and Vala, and use my knowledge of the future to get rich, so I can fund an expedition to excavate the Stargate, and set it up in my own private facility. I would make sure to recover both the gate and the DHD, so power won't be an issue. Building an iris is a no-go in the 1920s, so I would probably use a system like the Nazis used in the fanfiction "Stellar Reich," and just have a big hunk of stone on a crane I can swing back and forth to plug the gate when not in use.

Once I have the gate going. . .
1. I would go to Pangar and recover Egeria's stasis jar before the Pangarans can find it. There is virtually no chance that the Tok'ra are already on P34-353J, considering how often they move their base. Instead, I would gate to Tollan, since we know the Tollans are old friends of the Tok'ra. I would contact the Tok'ra through them, and restore Egeria to the Tok'ra, allowing them to expand their numbers again. While I'm in their good graces, I would pass on some more useful information, including; the location of Baal's anti-gravity device (from A Matter of Honor), the addresses for all the planets in Ra's test (from Barque of Heaven), the location of Marduk and the Eye of Tiamat (The Tomb), the secret hiding place of the Eye of Ra (Full Circle), the hiding place of the Ancient Weapon on Dakara (The Reckoning), the location of the Ash Eater in Egypt (Oceans of Dust), the fact that the Tok'ra Odysseus is stranded on the planet Volca, helping the locals battle Mars (Fall of Rome), the fact that Lord Yu is secretly a closet Tok'ra, who has been sharing his body with his host for over four thousand years (Four Dragons) and the fact that Anubis is still alive, and may turn up on Kheb at some point in the next few decades. All I would ask in turn, for now, is a reliable way to communicate with them, and a spacesuit (or the equivalent)

2. Go to Kheb and warn Oma Desala not to help Anubis ascend. If necessary, I would let her read my mind to see how things would have turned out originally.

3. Go to P3S-517 and carefully recover the android Reese (I would NOT re-activate her. In fact, I would put her power source in separate, sealed container). Then go to Cimmeria, and pass the test in the Hall of Thor's might so I can contact the Asgard. I would give them Reese, and also tell them about the Ancient repository on P3X-439, which contains the complete designs for an anti-Replicator weapon. If they can't simply download the information from the Repository, I'm sure they can find a human with the Ancient gene on one of the Protected Planets to access it for them. Finally, I would tell them about the Asgard Ran, who Ascended, and who can be contacted from the Shrine of Ran on Earth. If they can persuade her to take physical form again, her genetic information will provide the secret to saving their species from extinction. As a bonus, I might also mention the secret experiments Odin is conducting on Valhalla. He's playing with fire (literally) and somebody really should shut him down before Surtr escapes his control and takes over his ship

4. Go to P7X-377 and inform Quetzalcoatl that the Goa'uld have penetrated the network of protected planets set up by the Omeyocan

5. Use the spacesuit from the Tok'ra to retrieve the A't'trr orb from P5C-353, and toss it through the Stargate to P4G-881. I expect nothing back from the A't'trr for saving their civilization. This is just an act of kindness, because I can.

6. Go to P7J-989, and free the Volsinii from their virtual reality pods. It should be easy. All I have to do is enter the VR world, tell them the truth about their world's recovery, and then leave. The Sanctuary was never meant to be a prison. Anybody can leave if they know what the doors look like (which I do)

7. Recover the Quantum Mirror from P3R-233, and seal it in a block of solid concrete until I can arrange to safely destroy it.

8. Recover Janus' time machine and hide it in a more secure place (maybe on a lifeless planet)

9. After this, I would spend a little time on Earth, while the galactic balls start rolling into place. There are threats to deal with there as well. I am not nearly tough enough or brave enough to deal with anything dangerous, but some things I can do. I would dedicate my money and resources to tracking down the stasis jars of Sekhmet, Osiris and Isis, and also carefully recover the Sarcophagus of Hathor, making sure to seal it tightly before it can release her. All four of these Goa'uld I would turn over to the Tok'ra for interrogation, execution, and (in the case of Hathor) extraction from the host.

10. Finally, I would go to the planet of the Grail quest and navigate the trials of Morgan le Fey to recover Merlin. Once Merlin rebuilds the Sangraal (he may still die of old age and need to put his mind in my body, it would be for the best anyway) I would contact the Asgard and call in a favor (they owe me plenty). I need the Asgard to fly me to the Celestis Galaxy. I know it's not too far, since the Ori were able to fly from Celestis to the Ida Galaxy without using a supergate. With Merlin's help, we'll synchronize the timer on the Sangraal to activate the instant we enter the Celestis Galaxy, and wipe out the Ori in a surprise attack.
 
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johnreiter

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How?
its not like you are from that universe. which does not perfectly mirror our own.
History is generally the same until the 21st century. I will still know which inventions will be big hits, so I can invest in them, and where to find valuable mineral resources
 

UberIguana

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How are you going to find half the worlds in question? Some of them are completely forgotten by the galaxy at large. Do you have the addresses memorised? Do they even show the addresses of some of these places? Unless you're bringing notes, you'd have to find them through trial and error, which will almost certainly get you killed.
 

johnreiter

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How are you going to find half the worlds in question? Some of them are completely forgotten by the galaxy at large. Do you have the addresses memorised? Do they even show the addresses of some of these places? Unless you're bringing notes, you'd have to find them through trial and error, which will almost certainly get you killed.
Nobody ever complain in SI stories that the character knows how to build a trebuchet, or how the four fields system works
Can you give a specific example?
I could, but I think that is off topic. The point was the changes made to the history of the Stargate galaxy
 

UberIguana

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Nobody ever complain in SI stories that the character knows how to build a trebuchet, or how the four fields system works
Figuring out a trebuchet mechanism isn't hard and can be done through trial and error. Remembering that legumes are good nitrogen fixers isn't the same as remembering a string of a few dozen basically random squiggles in the right order.

You could handwave knowing some addresses by saying you kept a copy on your phone, or had a bunch of episodes on it, but you'd still be missing some. The wiki doesn't have the address for P7X-377, for example, though the others are listed.
 

Husky_Khan

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SI's might be bullshit but I'm not knocking the dude for making an SI Hypothetical thread. This sort of nerd fantasy stuff can be fun to extrapolate and hypothesize about and a pretty common thing anyways.

I feel criticizing it too much is kinda harsh to the OP and the merits and lack thereof of SI type stuff might actually be worth its own thread discussion for proper critique and discussion. I mean its fair to ask how he'll know the addresses to all of these planets and that this worlds economic history would be different and whatever, that's all part of the fun of exploring the idea, but I'm not going to no-sell what's obviously just a SI fantasy topic. :)
 

Husky_Khan

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I could, but I think that is off topic. The point was the changes made to the history of the Stargate galaxy

There is probably a lot of commonality. Like the USAF in Stargate still uses the same jets and aircraft we do in this world. I'm sure if you look into it hard enough, you'll probably see Windows style GUI's on the computer monitors, FN and Colt firearms being used, references to Disney and Star Trek and other sundry things. Like figuring out the brand of cereal Jack O'Neill is eating in Windows of Opportunity or something. So... given enough time, it's probably possible to invest in the well known and recognized brands that we are pretty confident are comparable as successful as they are in the Stargate universe to "get rich."

Plus there's the in universe corporations like Colson Industries, the named companies Baal/The Trust took over or the Tech Con Group... oh well maybe not the second one unless we're counting "foreign investment." :sneaky:
 

King Arts

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SI's might be bullshit but I'm not knocking the dude for making an SI Hypothetical thread. This sort of nerd fantasy stuff can be fun to extrapolate and hypothesize about and a pretty common thing anyways.

I feel criticizing it too much is kinda harsh to the OP and the merits and lack thereof of SI type stuff might actually be worth its own thread discussion for proper critique and discussion. I mean its fair to ask how he'll know the addresses to all of these planets and that this worlds economic history would be different and whatever, that's all part of the fun of exploring the idea, but I'm not going to no-sell what's obviously just a SI fantasy topic. :)
But we aren’t SIs because this isn’t a story. It’s a what if. I wasn’t dissing the thread. Just the argument that SIs always dominate.
 

Husky_Khan

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But we aren’t SIs because this isn’t a story. It’s a what if. I wasn’t dissing the thread. Just the argument that SIs always dominate.

I'm not trying to be critical of your point, I just feel it's offbase in this thread and more worthwhile to an actual discussion of SI media in general as opposed to calling it out in this random thread. It's basically an SI thread even if its not following a story or quest format or whatever. Just a broader hypothetical idea.

I'm just leaving that here. I don't wanna derail the thread anymore like what always happens.
 

johnreiter

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I'll offer an idea of something I think will happen

The Ori empire in the Celestis Galaxy is doomed. Oh, it will persist for a while. When the fires of Celestis go out, the Priors will keep it top secret just like they did in the original timeline. Nobody but the head prior will be allowed in, so the secret can be kept. Meanwhile, the priors still have their psychic powers, and can perform the basic miracles without the aid of the Ori, and that will keep the people satisfied for a while.

But there is no Adria this time, and the priors have done such a good job of eliminating from Origin anything which might lead people to ascend, that there will never be any more Ori. And with no Ori, it will be impossible to create more priors. Once the current generation of priors die out, there will be no more miracles.

The one possible hope is that Adria's pendant, which she used to make Daniel into a prior, may already exist. If it does, then the priors can continue to make new priors, and keep the empire going. However, I suspect that pendant was created by the Ori specifically so that Adria could make new priors in the Milky Way Galaxy, where the Ori could not go because of the Ancients. It probably has not yet been created, and now it never will be.

In any case, even if the pendant exists and the priors maintain their power, the empire will never be a threat to any other galaxy. The Ori motherships and supergates were all created at the Ori's direction specifically for the crusade against the Milky Way. ITTL, they can never be built since nobody but the Ori had the knowledge to build them
 
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mrttao

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I would invest in Bitcoin
Bitcoin is only worth anything because of massive worldwide inflation that occurs as western society collapses.

Which is likely to not happen in a world where the oligarchs know there are dangerous extraterrestrial threats they must face and as such are not so dedicated to intentionally destroying the middle class and native populations

Also, the premise says 1908. exactly 100 years before bitcoin was first created
 

Scooby Doo

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Bitcoin is only worth anything because of massive worldwide inflation that occurs as western society collapses.

Which is likely to not happen in a world where the oligarchs know there are dangerous extraterrestrial threats they must face and as such are not so dedicated to intentionally destroying the middle class and native populations

Also, the premise says 1908. exactly 100 years before bitcoin was first created
I'd use star Trekkie stuff and shenanigans to skip to 2008
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King Arts

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I'd use star Trekkie stuff and shenanigans to skip to 2008
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Trekkie stuff? You are in stargate and you know nothing about science or engineering. The only way you could go to the future is if you stole a Gould stasis tech or something.
 

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