What if Mussolini invaded Yugoslavia in October 1940 instead of Greece?

raharris1973

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What if Mussolini invaded Yugoslavia at the end of October1940 instead of Greece? Let's assume that any of the build-up of forces, and build up of tensions or demands that occurred vis-a-vis Greece in earlier October and possibly September is directed toward Yugoslavia rather than Greece, for the most part.

Mussolini's motive, like in the OTL Greek case, is to make a strong move to assert Italian influence in the Balkans, especially after the German move to change Romania's borders and send troops there without consulting the Italians or their interests. He simply uses Yugoslavia as the stage to make a show, rather than Greece.

Instead of just attacking the target from Albania, as in the Greek case, the Italians also attack the Yugoslavs out of Venetia and Istria. They also employ their navy and air force in supporting landings and bombardments in Dalmatia in support of the ground prongs.

The Italians might have had plans of longer-standing and greater detail for Yugoslavia than for Greece. Whether that helps Italy is hard to say.

The broad front of attack should be helpful to the Italians, but Yugoslavia is a larger opponent, capable of fielding a larger army than Greece. Its borders and coastlines are also quite mountainous.

Yugoslavia is also less cohesive internally, with ethnic minority discontent by Slovenes, Croatians, Albanians, and Macedonians, and Mussolini's Ustashe ties. But it is hard to say whether Croatians make a clean break to work with the Italians or if fears for Italian territorial ambition in Dalmatia unites different Yugoslav groups in resistance.

Yugoslavia's main trading partner, Germany, will be pissed at Mussolini's off-script move, but they are stuck with Italy as an ally and cannot accept Yugoslavia having a successful resistance. How does Greece react to the aggression against its northern neighbor?

I imagine, unless the Italians face a truly improbable swift and definitive repulse, that Italy will be able to persuade Hungary and especially Bulgaria to enter the war against Yugoslavia to advance their own historical claims. And, if Italy or any of these allies bog down, or there appears to be Greek or British interference brewing, the Germans would probably get involved on the Italian and minor Axis side to end the conflict quickly.

I assume with this many opponents, it would be a matter of time before Yugoslavia falls and is ooccupied. Once the occupation of Yugoslavia is complete, what is the geopolitical situation of Greece? Can it remain largely undisturbed as a neutral country, trading with the Axis, like Turkey was? Or would security motives and the momentum of the Yugoslavia campaign lead on to Italian and Bulgarian operations aimed at occupying Greece, with German support probable? Or might Metaxas surprise us, 'go with the flow' and sign the Axis Pact as a method of holding on to territory and regime political power?
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
But they would want it anyway.

The problems for Italians are manyfold. For starters, their best forces are tied down in Africa, so the forces they have available are of quality comparable to that of Yugoslav royal army. Taking into account the terrain where the fighting will take place, it would turn into bloody slugfest. The Croats changing sides in 1941 was mostly due to invasion being done by Germans, while Italians are quite loathed by them. So there would be various attacks by ustashe sympathisers (who are radical fringe at this time) and lot of reservists going into hiding rather than going to the front, but there would be no such events as in 1941.

Mussolini also doesn't have the prestige of having defeated France, like Hitler had, so Bulgaria and Hungary would be much more lukewarm than they were with Germans in 1941 and even then they were like ''you defeat Yugoslavia and we will occupy our claimed areas afterwards''.
 

WolfBear

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Wouldn't Salonika be under Greek control?

Good point. But they could still try bullying the Greeks for it and threatening war if the Greeks say No. Of course, then a war will be likely since the Greeks are still likely going to say No to Bulgarian demands for Salonika.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
This "what-if" is actually something very skilled Third Reich players do in Fall 1939 when they've got the Italians with over a 90% chance of success using just the laughably inadaquate Italian starting forces.

If someone who knows what they're doing waits until Winter it's 83.33% with "I might take Tunis, Gibraltar, Port Said, and/or Malta" too if the Allies make a mistake.
 

raharris1973

Well-known member
This "what-if" is actually something very skilled Third Reich players do in Fall 1939 when they've got the Italians with over a 90% chance of success using just the laughably inadaquate Italian starting forces.

If someone who knows what they're doing waits until Winter it's 83.33% with "I might take Tunis, Gibraltar, Port Said, and/or Malta" too if the Allies make a mistake.

I honestly think that's the first place I got the idea from.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
This game?


Anyway, I wonder if a decade or two from now (or even less than that), we're going to see a similar strategy game involving Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine lol.
That's the game. I first mentioned it here with:

Brother-in-law just asked Princess and I for advice on how to defeat his wife in a game of 3rd Reich when he's got the Axis.

Umm. He's going to lose, again, because Euphie probably already has plans for whatever he might try and she'll be more than happy to share them with you.
 

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