Well the D&D gods wouldn't be smiting their own people they'd be smiting Yahweh's people maybe. if they are actually a threat and able to take their worshippers away.
It doesn't work that way. A god will generally only smite people who have
personally offended them. And they have to do so in such a way that is impertinent to the divine being. Deities literally deem it beneath their honor to just smite a mortal because they foiled them. They might send mortal agents after you, but overt divine retribution is simply something they don't do. Otherwise no one would bother to foil Bane, because he'd just smite your ass afterwards. Even deities that are anti-social or psychotic follow this behavior.
What you will find more common is religious wars. And while wizards and priests are great...I'm not sure they'd do so well against a Christian Crusade armed with modern-day weapons.
Depends, it probably wouldn't rise to that level since I don't think the people who worship the D&D gods will convert since their gods actually are more useful and willing to help than Yahweh is.
Yes and no.
The people who benefit most from D&D gods are not actually the masses. It is the people who are in power. Either because they are paladins, priests, or chosen--or because they can afford their services. The vast majority of the population cannot afford the powers of a priest. And the only priestly powers that are generally handed out by temples come from those who are of the lowest level and perform only the smallest of miracles. Nor do the higher ranked priests generally care too much about those beneath them, they are generally dealing with the elites of society of their preferred social circle.
In fact, the masses actually get very little. They can get free food and water from temples, but only if they go to the service. During a time of emergency in Selgaunt, the High Hulorn had to basically blackmail the local temples into going out and providing food to the people in the city. Literally threatened to take away their land deeds for their temple just to get them to actually help all the starving people in the streets. And the temple priests were outraged that they'd been forced to help them.
Christian servants, on the other hand, do not have on demand access to divine power. But what they do have is access to a massive source of food (US, world's greatest agricultural power in the world, bar none), the world's greatest supply chain (greater Mississippi River system), superior forms of preservation (ie, canned goods), and medical resources. And not only can they outproduce the limited spellcasting abilities of a D&D priest, but they are more willing to help others in times of trouble.
Yes, but this is in response to your thing about Christians converting people. If it was actually a threat then the god's would get involved because either Yahweh is powerful enough to require an alliance, or he isn't all that and is just another god competing with others.
I don't think you understand. The Elohim are not the most powerful of YHWH's servants. Nor does he need an army or an alliance to defeat them. He literally strips them of their divine right to rule.
Psalms 82:1
Psalm 82[a]
The Downfall of Unjust Gods
1 A psalm of Asaph.
I
God takes a stand in the divine council,
gives judgment in the midst of the gods.
2 “How long will you judge unjustly
and favor the cause of the wicked?
Selah
3 “Defend the lowly and fatherless;
render justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Rescue the lowly and poor;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”
II
5 [
b]The gods neither know nor understand,
wandering about in darkness,
and all the world’s foundations shake.
6 I declare: “Gods though you be,[
c]
offspring of the Most High all of you,
7 Yet like any mortal you shall die;
like any prince you shall fall.”
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth,[
d]
for yours are all the nations
In fact, I suspect that it is this scene that inspired the scene in FR where Lord Ao strips the FR pantheon of their godhood, thereby leading to the Times of Troubles. In fact, it even recalls the Tablets of Destiny, which is also from this region and were said to be held by El Elyon.
Saying it's deemed to be rhetoric is cope.
Hebrews 4:13
And before him no creature is hidden, but all are naked and laid bare to the eyes of the one to whom we must render an account.
And it does not matter what Jews, or Christians argue, the Greek priests who worshipped Zeus considered him all powerful and all knowing.
Do you actually have proof of that? Nor do I think it can be argued that El Elyon holds an inferior position to Zeus--or as the Hebrews called him, Ba'al Hadad. Last I checked, Baal's cults more or less lay dead and forgotten, where as El Elyon has the worship of 2.9 billion Christians and 1.9 billion Muslims--approximately half the world's population.
Yes Yahweh wins most of the conflicts in his book it makes him look good, that does not mean that it is perfectly accurate. I mean a book written by Stalin about ww2 could still be generally correct while still being very slanted towards him and the Soviet Union. Just like the Bible is historically accurate for the most part, but it is still biased towards Yahweh and the loyal angels of heaven.
YHWH being the most supreme actually dates back to Sumerian beliefs. As YHWH or El Elyon, is strongly associated with Anu and has many of his attributed powers and position.
But, if D&D exists Yahweh does not hold supreme power over the gods, he does not have control over the after life except for his worshippers, and he did not create all of creation. Either D&D is real, or you are making a new fantasy setting that is D&D in name only.
No, because Lord Ao is not the only Overpower, nor is Lord Ao the most powerful being. He is deemed (at least in one source) to have a superior. In fact, Lord Ao is clearly inspired by YHWH, even recreating the scene from Psalms, where he strips the FR pantheon of their godlike status, just as El Elyon had done to the Elohim.
He's not my buddy. Also banging on and on about context is cope.
If you're going to assert that the prophecy was broken, do you not think that you should be able to prove that it was indeed, broken?
Fury, anger, pissed off whatever, negative feelings. King of Moab made a sacrifice of his son to Chemosh(according to Bible) and something was angry at the Isralites and their allies. It's highly implied that it was the demon/god Chemosh. It doesen't spell it out, but basic common sense and reading it objectively without a predetermined end goal leads to it being Chemosh that was angry at the Isralites and came upon them.
Again, Chemosh has no power over El Elyon. As was proven when he stripped all the gods in Psalms of their power and diminished them to the status of mortals. The wrath was NOT of Chemosh's power (and indeed, there is no display of such power or of the Israelis fleeing in terror), but of Edom and Judah, who had grown angry over what Israel had done.
Yes going through the long way is strange, and your hypothesis could be right, but it's also possible that king of Israel wanted to bring a large army to bear, but did not want to use his own supplies so going through and using Edom's provisions before going into Moab and looting it. Living off the land itself can be effective for pre modern armies.
You are, mistaken. If you look at the map, there is an obvious border between Israel and Moab. And it is through that border that the most obvious blow would come from Israel. It was well linked into their supply lines and offered the quickest way. And that is also where Moab would station all of its own strength, in order to check Israel. So the Israeli king, thinking himself clever, decides he will instead march south and attack from Edom, taking Moab unaware from the south. In order to keep his attack secret, he wants to move through the wilderness, as word of the oncoming army will spread before the army can actually reach Moab. Because any spy for Moab would be able to send word ahead of the army.
The risk to this plan however, is twofold. First, ancient armies need supply chains. They are not immune to it. In fact, they were very reliant upon it and taking your army without a supply chain means that your army will run out of food in about 2-4 days, depending on the gear each soldier carries and so forth. In addition, moving through the wild is difficult, because you need to retain some sort of formation and that is not easy across even flat terrain and it is damn hard with hills, mountains, and valleys.
And the predictable happens; the King of Israel and his army are soon without food and water, in the middle of the wilderness. So he goes to Elisha to bail him out of the mess he had made for himself.
Yes, Israel is winning and at the last second they snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory.
There is no mention of Israel losing the war. In fact, there is only direct evidence that the Edomites had left the field in disgust.
Now this is cope. Nowhere in previous wars that the Bible talks about, or in future premodern wars, were people shy about putting their enemy to the sword and enslaving the women and children. Israel and Judah were allies who were punishing a rebellious vassal, a vassal who also does not worship Yahweh. Yahweh himself usually advocated complete genocide on Caanaties and adjacent tribes. Not just kill all the men and loot the place no. He ordered everything to be destroyed even stuff that could have been useful like oxen, sheep, goats, other livestock. In some places he ordered Nazi like complete extermination. When he did not order complete extermination he was ok with enslavement and such.
No, the only person coping here is you. I'm sorry your retarded youtube "scholar" didn't read the full story. I'm sorry he misunderstood the translation. I'm sorry he's a bitter little faggot who likes to take potshots at Christians. And I'm sorry you're so attached to trying to get a "gotcha", that you keep screaming "COPE! COPE!" whenever we disagree upon something. You aren't going to win this argument. El Elyon's power and dominion over other gods is complete; it was pretty straight forward in Psalms, which I have provided you, and was also done so with Deuteronomy.
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
When the Most High[
b] apportioned the nations,
when he divided humankind,
he fixed the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number of the gods;[
c]
9 the Lord’s own portion was his people,
Jacob his allotted share.
Yes, Elisha did not like the King of Israel, but he consented to help because of Judah's king. Still he gave a prophecy that water would come it did, and victory would come. It almost did but the victory was never achieved. Thus the prophecy was false.
And yet this is not mentioned within the story. (at all) There is no divine manifestation that is revealed, only that someone is angry. You argue that it may be Chemosh. Okay, that's one out of three people who might be angry. The people of Judah and Edom could also be angry. And seeing as Chemosh has no power over the people of Israel, as they were not allotted to them by El Elyon, nor was it stated in the passage that El Elyon had allowed Chemosh to do so, and it is not even definitive WHO left, your argument is at best shaky and at worst, a complete flop.
EDIT
Oh right, you're also probably also thinking of the Moab king's boast of his victory over the Son of Omri, King of Israel. Wherein it boasts the defeat of Israel at the hands of the King of Moab. I think here, the Youtube author is conflating two different incidents. The Son of Omri was not Jehoram, who is the King of Israel in 2 Kings. Omri's son was Ahab, who is in fact, the father of Jehoram. Jehoram did not take the throne after Omri passed, that passed to Ahab, then to Jehoram's older brother Ahaziah, and then it passed to Jehoram.
King Ahab's reign was between 871-852 BC.
King Ahaziah's reign was somewhere in the early 850s, for about a year.
King Jehoram's reign was 850-840 BC.
So the war that you're referring to, where the King of Moab was victorious was between 20-30 years BEFORE the conflict that happened under King Jehoram. What this suggests to me was that, King Omri had demanded tribute from Moab. Sometime after King Omri died, the King of Moab sought to rebel under King Ahab. Sometime later, probably about ~20 years later, the King of Moab rebelled under King Jehoram.
If I were a betting man, the King(s) of Moab rebelled whenever there was a change of power, possibly viewing the new king as weak. So the first rebellion would have been in 871 BC and the second in 850 BC, respectively.
Ok, now I know you are bullshitting. There is no rationality to the trinity. It literally can't be explained. If you can't explain something you don't understand it. Anyone who says they understand it and then tries to explain is probably doing a heresy. No the trinity is a divine mystery we don't understand it but we believe it. That's how Christians will "explain" the trinity.
What exactly do you find perplexing about the trinity? It's a triple deity.
Also yes there are pagan dieties that are omnipotent Bhrama,
Bhrama, the triple deity (that is so perplexing to you) who is the all powerful Creator?
To who? Please provide proof that Zeus was deemed almighty and powerful, considering he was never portrayed that way. Nor when religious syncretism took place between Greeks, Romans, and Canaanites, did they select El Elyon as the equal to Zeus or Jupiter--nor would they have, because they are not the same. Instead, they equated him to Baal Hadad. By their own admission, the Greeks and Romans equated their patron gods to a subordinate of El Elyon.
Granted, they had a different interpretation, likely that following the Marduk/Baal stories outside the bible, but the fact remains that Zeus and Jupiter are attributed as storm gods in the same way as Baal Hadad, not as El Elyon or Enlil or YHWH.
As for it being shit talking the same argument applies to claims of Yahweh's omnipotence.
...It literally does not. See Psalms and Deuteronomy. Literal stories of how El Elyon stripped the Elohim of both their positions and immortality for not upholding their duties.
