United States US presidential election 2024

[Carrot of Truth]

Youngkin is plotting for the Presidency in 2028.

I hope not hes a Bush style Neocon if I could choose anyone it would be Rand Paul

 

[49ersfootball]

I hope not hes a Bush style Neocon if I could choose anyone it would be Rand Paul

Youngkin will be included in my JBE TL soon that I'm working on right now.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I mean Trump running again is basically a given at this point barring something medically happens, He wouldn't be regularly holding rallies otherwise.

 

[Sobek]

Gonna be honest I kind of expect 2024 to not happen

 

[Skallagrim]

I mean Trump running again is basically a given at this point barring something medically happens, He wouldn't be regularly holding rallies otherwise.

Not really. Trump seems like a 'loose cannon' sometimes, but he's a guy who plans ahead. He prepared for his Presidential run for well over two decades. Look at his party affiliation history. He's been called a flip-flopper on that, but in fact, he just made sure to always be a member of the opposition party. Why? So that if and when he decided to run, he could do it when an incumbent left office, at which point he'd have been a member of the opposition party for the past eight years (which is enough to build up credibility).

Instead of flat-out announcing a run, he first tested Obama repeatedly, escalating his strategy, ultimately gaining a lot of fame (and infamy) with the birth cerificate issue. By then, he knew that this would be his shot. Obama was controversial, Trump had painted himself as a prominent critic, he had a bunch of years s a GOP member under his belt, but he was still an outsider. It made 2016 "his year". It was a canny, well-prepared strategy.

He's testing again, right now. He's keeping his options open. If the verdict this week had been that he couldn't be prosecuted for his (alleged) role in the January 6th debacle, he would presumably have taken some steps towards formally announcing. As it is, I'd expect him to wait and see if he can't beat this legal issue (or have it thrown out) before announcing. After all, announcing on the back of a triumph is the best move.

If, on the other hand, he can't beat this legal challenge (at least not in time), then I think it's more likely that he throws his weight behind another candidate (for 2024, DeSantis appar to be the front-runner). This unifies the "Trumpist" faction behind his chosen successor, which may well allow that candidate to win.

In short: I think he's keeping his options open. Campaign-wise, he doesn't need to actually announce anything until mid-2023, so he's doing fine just keeping the home fires burning for now. That's what the rallies are for. And whether he uses that to fire up his own run or to back someone else's... that's still to be determined.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Not really. Trump seems like a 'loose cannon' sometimes, but he's a guy who plans ahead. He prepared for his Presidential run for well over two decades. Look at his party affiliation history. He's been called a flip-flopper on that, but in fact, he just made sure to always be a member of the opposition party. Why? So that if and when he decided to run, he could do it when an incumbent left office, at which point he'd have been a member of the opposition party for the past eight years (which is enough to build up credibility).

Instead of flat-out announcing a run, he first tested Obama repeatedly, escalating his strategy, ultimately gaining a lot of fame (and infamy) with the birth cerificate issue. By then, he knew that this would be his shot. Obama was controversial, Trump had painted himself as a prominent critic, he had a bunch of years s a GOP member under his belt, but he was still an outsider. It made 2016 "his year". It was a canny, well-prepared strategy.

He's testing again, right now. He's keeping his options open. If the verdict this week had been that he couldn't be prosecuted for his (alleged) role in the January 6th debacle, he would presumably have taken some steps towards formally announcing. As it is, I'd expect him to wait and see if he can't beat this legal issue (or have it thrown out) before announcing. After all, announcing on the back of a triumph is the best move.

If, on the other hand, he can't beat this legal challenge (at least not in time), then I think it's more likely that he throws his weight behind another candidate (for 2024, DeSantis appar to be the front-runner). This unifies the "Trumpist" faction behind his chosen successor, which may well allow that candidate to win.

In short: I think he's keeping his options open. Campaign-wise, he doesn't need to actually announce anything until mid-2023, so he's doing fine just keeping the home fires burning for now. That's what the rallies are for. And whether he uses that to fire up his own run or to back someone else's... that's still to be determined.

He is the kingmaker if he doesn't run which I really wish he would throw his weight behind Rand Paul rather than Desantis because tbh I think Paul is the best way forward and while hes not his father hes still who I wanted to win last go around.

 

[Skallagrim]

He is the kingmaker if he doesn't run which I really wish he would throw his weight behind Rand Paul rather than Desantis because tbh I think Paul is the best way forward and while hes not his father hes still who I wanted to win last go around.

I strongly prefer anyone who really goes for small government, but as I've said before: I expect the populist movement to go in the opposite direction. The establishment has gone all the way on favouring megacorps and globalism (which they falsely call "free trade") that any opposition movement is going to trend heavily towards anti-corporate and economially protectionist policies. It's got the paleoconservative impulse in there, but it's more the Pat Buchanan kind than the Ron Paul kind.

Since the global economy is basically heading towards the next big crash, I only expect the "economic populism" drive to get stronger as we go forward. Even on this forum, which is... let's say not very left-wing... there are increasingly more voices that are so fed up with the collusion between big business and the political establishment that they outright suggest stringent regulation, new anti-trust laws, sometimes even outright nationalisation of tech companies.

I'm not on board with that, but I do understand why it's happening. And I believe that kind of thinking is only going to gain traction. The globalist cronies have basically made that kind of opposition inevitable, with the way they've shamelessly abused the system for the past decades.

 

[Cherico]

I strongly prefer anyone who really goes for small government, but as I've said before: I expect the populist movement to go in the opposite direction. The establishment has gone all the way on favouring megacorps and globalism (which they falsely call "free trade") that any opposition movement is going to trend heavily towards anti-corporate and economially protectionist policies. It's got the paleoconservative impulse in there, but it's more the Pat Buchanan kind than the Ron Paul kind.

Since the global economy is basically heading towards the next big crash, I only expect the "economic populism" drive to get stronger as we go forward. Even on this forum, which is... let's say not very left-wing... there are increasingly more voices that are so fed up with the collusion between big business and the political establishment that they outright suggest stringent regulation, new anti-trust laws, sometimes even outright nationalisation of tech companies.

I'm not on board with that, but I do understand why it's happening. And I believe that kind of thinking is only going to gain traction. The globalist cronies have basically made that kind of opposition inevitable, with the way they've shamelessly abused the system for the past decades.

You also have to remember that corperate america was in the drivers seat of the republican party for around a century. During the cold war people fucking died and gave up their lives so they could continue to live and keep their shit. During every debate in the party their needs were either considered first or they got major say, often at the expense of other people in the coalition.

Then during the great recession the party immolated themselves trying to keep them all alive and fucked the party hard it was a major sacerfice on the GOPs part and it made people murderously unhappy. Then the minute some one tells them ok you fucked up bad you will still have some power and sway but some one else is going to have the top seat for a little while.

Well they threw a temper tantrum of epic portotions stabbed the GOP in the back in the most massive way possible and linked arms with socialists to fuck their former friends and allies in the back.

That is blood feud level shit.

 

[Christi]

Trump is a bad idea. He would only have one term. This isn’t much time to do anything. He is to old. He comes with to much baggage’s and gives the Dems an easy person to rally against. Trump fans need to acknowledge this.
He is better as a kingmaker or elder statesmen in the party.
A Trump victory means Trump goes into office as a lame duck. He is a bad move tactically and strategically.

Anyone else gets two terms to do what they want/need.

 

[Jouaint]

Trump is a bad idea. He would only have one term. This isn’t much time to do anything. He is to old. He comes with to much baggage’s and gives the Dems an easy person to rally against. Trump fans need to acknowledge this.
He is better as a kingmaker or elder statesmen in the party.
A Trump victory means Trump goes into office as a lame duck. He is a bad move tactically and strategically.

Anyone else gets two terms to do what they want/need.

Not really the Democrats keep trying to make various elections about Trump and they keep getting creamed. That at least implies Trump really isn't some albatross around the neck of the GOP.

 

[almostinsane]

Not really the Democrats keep trying to make various elections about Trump and they keep getting creamed. That at least implies Trump really isn't some albatross around the neck of the GOP.

Because they keep playing the Trump Card again and again. It is better that Trump throws his support behind a chosen successor who can run in 2028.

 

[Captain X]

It literally doesn't matter who it is - they will continue to act batshit insane. So cucking to them will get you exactly nothing. It's time to stop giving a shit about what these crazy people think, and focus instead on illustrating how crazy those people are, if you're actually worried moderates like myself can't just see that for ourselves.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I just hope we can reach a situation where the federal government gets stripped of its ever increasing powers.

 

[49ersfootball]

It literally doesn't matter who it is - they will continue to act batshit insane. So cucking to them will get you exactly nothing. It's time to stop giving a shit about what these crazy people think, and focus instead on illustrating how crazy those people are, if you're actually worried moderates like myself can't just see that for ourselves.

One things is certain: Dems will see their bench wiped out this fall in the 2022 Midterms.

 

[Captain X]

Only if they don't manage to "fortify" the election.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I strongly prefer anyone who really goes for small government, but as I've said before: I expect the populist movement to go in the opposite direction. The establishment has gone all the way on favouring megacorps and globalism (which they falsely call "free trade") that any opposition movement is going to trend heavily towards anti-corporate and economially protectionist policies. It's got the paleoconservative impulse in there, but it's more the Pat Buchanan kind than the Ron Paul kind.

Since the global economy is basically heading towards the next big crash, I only expect the "economic populism" drive to get stronger as we go forward. Even on this forum, which is... let's say not very left-wing... there are increasingly more voices that are so fed up with the collusion between big business and the political establishment that they outright suggest stringent regulation, new anti-trust laws, sometimes even outright nationalisation of tech companies.

I'm not on board with that, but I do understand why it's happening. And I believe that kind of thinking is only going to gain traction. The globalist cronies have basically made that kind of opposition inevitable, with the way they've shamelessly abused the system for the past decades.

in short no matter who is in the driver seat, we are in for a Class S level cluster if people keep feeding into this like they are, and they will because doing otherwise will require personal responsibility and it's so much easier to demand people do what you tell them to.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Well after the great Russian fuck up, Jingoism is on the rise so that may lead to a bunch of Bush era style idiots rising to power in the Republican party again. 😞

 

[Terthna]

Well after the great Russian fuck up, Jingoism is on the rise so that may lead to a bunch of Bush era style idiots rising to power in the Republican party again. 😞

Considering the blatant idiocy, hypocrisy, and outright lies on display from the RINOs and neocons, I'm hopeful that the opposite will happen, and the MAGA types will fully wrest control of the Republican party from them; though admittedly that would require people to set aside their bloodlust, and actually pay attention to what's being said, so I guess I'm not too hopeful.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Things like what happned to James and his father here are why I hate the Texas GOP

 

[ShieldWife]

For better or worse, Trump is the heart of the GOP and without his influence, it will probably just slide back into neocon control. So if Trump runs in 2024, we would all be wise to support his candidacy to the best of our abilities. If he doesn’t run for some reason, then we need to support who ever he endorses. The dissidents within the GOP have to remain united, either behind Trump or who ever he passes the torch to.

Personally, I would like to see Rand Paul make a run, he’s my personal pick for president.