Scooby Doo
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The armor is supposed to be real good at kinetic energy absorption that jumping off building in FO4 don't cause any serious harm to the wearer, I don't think .45 ACP would do a dang thing.
U.S Marines get issued T-60 Power Armor in 2001
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Scooby Doo
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Pfft that's weak sauce, 9mm is more powerful just ask Joe Biden.Shows what you know...
At 50k for a suit that is not just armor outclassing everything else, but also doubles as uniform, tactical rigging, comms, vision enhancers, NBC protection, and on top of that gives the soldier superhuman endurance, weapon control and carrying capacity, it's a fucking steal, the normal equipment military needs to give line soldiers for these things doesn't cost that much less in total, yet is inferior. Some spec ops (who have major bulk/weight/transportability concerns) and most of line infantry in direct combat operations would be getting it for sure, for the rest, on situational basis. It would revolutionize infantry tactics from ground up, more than assault rifles did.
And that's without even comparing that cost to the price of evacuating and treating a soldier wounded by a rifle bullet or fragmentation weapon of some sort.
It essentially turns a soldier into a walking equivalent of a light armored vehicle both in protection and firepower - practically immune to GPMGs and equivalents, while able to use a HMG or equivalents.
And that's without even comparing that cost to the price of evacuating and treating a soldier wounded by a rifle bullet or fragmentation weapon of some sort.
It essentially turns a soldier into a walking equivalent of a light armored vehicle both in protection and firepower - practically immune to GPMGs and equivalents, while able to use a HMG or equivalents.
In all seriousness -- the "2500 joules" kinetic protection of the T-50 is roughly equivalent to Class III body armor. This is slightly less protection than the Interceptor body armor with SAPI plates which was standard issued at that time, but provides nearly *full body* protection at that level as opposed to only front and back torso. More importantly, the T-50 provides full NBC protection *in combination* with that ballistic protection, and that alone is alreadya game changing capability compared to existing protective suits. In practical terms, MOPP and equivalent suits allow troops to hunker down and survive under NBC attack conditions; they're far too exhausting to be practical to actually *engage in combat operations* while suited, not to mention having no protection.
The load carrying assistance and *jump jets* are just cherries on top.
The load carrying assistance and *jump jets* are just cherries on top.
Scooby Doo
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I want to point out the quote says Over 2500 joules
The minimum is 2500 not the limit.
The weak spot still took dedicated AP rounds from a high-powered hand cannon fired with extreme precision to breach. And you have to compare it to Interceptor body armor, which has slightly superior protection in the front and back chest plates, but only protects against 9mm pistol rounds in the helmet and non-plate areas of the vest, and provides *no* coverage at all for the arms, upper body sides, groin, and legs. (At least in its 2001 configuration -- side and groin panels were added later on, at the cost of quite a bit of additional weight and reduced mobility.)
Nah. LAVs tote 25mm autocannon, which is an entirely different level of weapon. Fallout armor's toting up to Miniguns in game, which would more realistically translate to modified .50-cal MGs and/or a beefed-up version of the OICW which was in development at that time.
Sure, but that places it at resisting the 2500-3000 joule range. That's still below SAPI level protection, much less ESAPI or XSAPI. Likely with a substantially better ability to not be degraded by multiple non-penetrating strikes, but I don't believe we actually see them soaking up sustained fire on screen so that is an assumption.
2500-3000 joules means they can shrug off intermediate-caliber fire, but not full-caliber fire. It makes them *the* most dangerous infantry in the world when combined with proper training and doctrine, but it's not "invulnerable walking tank" level.
LAV is more of an IFV than any lowly light armored vehicle.
Compare to Stryker, M1117, Wiesel or VAB.
LAV is literally the namesake Light Armored Vehicle, and the armament of light armored vehicles runs the entire range from a GPMG all the way up to light tank cannons. France was especially fond of that, with multiple wheeled armor vehicles so armed.
VAB says bonjour.
It specifies 'outer shell' for the power armor, presumably it has a spall-liner under it, various other stuff for user comfort, etc. You can in fact damage T-51b people with .223 with some luck, so it's evidently not fully bulletproof.
Scooby Doo
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Personally I see the effectiveness of power armor to be like this
Not even particularly exaggerated when you can basically lift weights to become more resistant to bullets in fallout, plus NCR rifles primarily being .223.
Scooby Doo
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Aren't NCR Rifles from 5.56 to .308?
.223 is 5.56...Well okay technically it sort-of isn't but it's so identical you can interchange them in most firearms safely.
.308 is a lot more rare in NCR, they never actually use the BAR in NV as it's dead-money exclusive.
Scooby Doo
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I heard 5.56 is stronger hitting than .223
Also every Sniper in the NCR in New Vegas like First Recon uses .308 even the Gobi Campaign Rifle, I don't think there's a single sniper of theirs that doesn't use .308
Depends on the load, you can load .223 hotter than milspec 5.56, but generally 5.56 is on the hotter side, especially with the newest ammo they're making, which actually fucked up their guns a bit.
NCR doesn't have too many snipers, although yeah the .308 with AP should dome T-51b's on a good flat hit.
If the power armor's armor can absorb 2500-3000 joules, then it's going to be all but invulnerable to intermediate calibers that all run well below 2000 joules even with hot loads. However, full 7.62x51mm NATO runs right around 3500 joules and should punch through even without weak spots and/or specialized AP rounds. WWII-vintage .30-06 is a little more powerful at 3600 joules, but modern .30-06 loadings run in the 4000 joule range.
In other words -- power armor is very, very dangerous due to the combination of protection, mobility, and firepower, but the average civilian hunting rifle will punch holes in it. As such, power armor infantry *shouldn't* be standing in the open and intentionally soaking up hits, but moving and firing from cover like "regular" infantry, using their superior mobility and firepower to prevent enemies from engaging accurately.
In other words -- power armor is very, very dangerous due to the combination of protection, mobility, and firepower, but the average civilian hunting rifle will punch holes in it. As such, power armor infantry *shouldn't* be standing in the open and intentionally soaking up hits, but moving and firing from cover like "regular" infantry, using their superior mobility and firepower to prevent enemies from engaging accurately.
Scooby Doo
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Hmm are you sure?
The Observatory battle showed the NCR had to literally stick their guns into the neck gaps of the armor at point blank to kill Knights, not a single one was killed at a distance with NCR ballistic fire arms.
Fallout (2024 series) - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games
They even had a M240 Machine gun and it didn't kill any Knights, at least one NCR Trooper was using a M14
The average pre-war gun is firing 5mm JHP and AP, it's basically necked down .223 or given how it's used in man-portable miniguns, something potentially even smaller. The fact Power armor makes you all but immune to this sort of ordinance would be wonderful for pre-war armies. In any case power armor is more designed against energy weapons (no exposed skin, resistant to thermal damage, relatively 'spaced armor' compared to a regular vest) than against kinetic impacts.Hmm are you sure?
The Observatory battle showed the NCR had to literally stick their guns into the neck gaps of the armor at point blank to kill Knights, not a single one was killed at a distance with NCR ballistic fire arms.
Fallout (2024 series) - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games
They even had a M240 Machine gun and it didn't kill any Knights, at least one NCR Trooper was using a M14
I guess you could argue T-60 was massively uparmored post-war, but T-51b is vulnerable to small arms.
