Turtledoves world war timeline. Got me thinking

They are still, what 20 years from resupply? That is a problem and if they are using chemical slugthrowers. Well, how long do the primers last? Because old ammunition is a safety hazard. Thus you need to use the resources at hand to repair equipment and resupply your troops. Even if you are facing primitives.
Honestly had Earth military technology still peaked at guys in armor riding in horseback the Race likely would never need to be "resupplied" from Home. They stockpiled far, far far more munitions then they ever could possibly would have needed to defeat 12th century Earth. Giving them plenty of time to bring their ships down from Orbit and use the onboard factories to build the necessary tools/refine the necessary elements to begin building the larger, permanent factories underpinning the Race's industrial society.

This is likely why the colonization fleet was scheduled to arrive some twenty Earth years after the Conquest fleet giving the soldiers time to build the power plants, homes and other amenities the colonists would need to survive in comfort.
 
Honestly had Earth military technology still peaked at guys in armor riding in horseback the Race likely would never need to be "resupplied" from Home. They stockpiled far, far far more munitions then they ever could possibly would have needed to defeat 12th century Earth. Giving them plenty of time to bring their ships down from Orbit and use the onboard factories to build the necessary tools/refine the necessary elements to begin building the larger, permanent factories underpinning the Race's industrial society.

This is likely why the colonization fleet was scheduled to arrive some twenty Earth years after the Conquest fleet giving the soldiers time to build the power plants, homes and other amenities the colonists would need to survive in comfort.

That is the exact reason, Basically the soldier males are expected to build infrastructure and even cities while waiting on the colonization fleet.
 
Was any reason given why the Lizards didn't bring any of their space based industry with them? Yes, I know. It was written in the 90's BUT they built several starships , more than likely in orbit and using Nuclear Thermal Rockets. So why not bring along a bit of industry so they could maintain their military forces?

Cuz Turtledove

They'd have been absolutely screwed if they couldn't capture industrialized military areas, that's a wonderful point they should have sent the colonization fleet in tow with it, armed their ships they had their planet armed just in case, they know it's a possibility and keep it stocked with orbital assets.

Basically the race weren't a terrible idea they just needed to be fleshed out a little bit.

But he didn't have a message board to do that just a publisher who didn't understand Alternate History.
 
Cuz Turtledove

They'd have been absolutely screwed if they couldn't capture industrialized military areas, that's a wonderful point they should have sent the colonization fleet in tow with it, armed their ships they had their planet armed just in case, they know it's a possibility and keep it stocked with orbital assets.
Well the point is the Race never imagined the Conquest Fleet would ever need to capture industrialized areas in the first place due to how primitive Earth was when they scouted it via probe before the fleets were launched. Further they couldn't capture the "industrialized military areas" in the OTL, in fact it's a plot point that much of the territory they captured was the less developed portions which hindered the Race's attempts to use native industry to supplant their finite supply of munitions compared to the industry of the Big Five who were successfully resisting them.

Tacking the Colonization fleet with the Conquest fleet not only would risk endangering the completely civilian population needlessly but would have added 80-100 million mouths to feed with a preindustrial society. So the Race methods was likely the best option.

Similarly there was no point to equip their ships with weapons since by that point of the story they had never encountered a peer opponent. Their most advanced conquest, IIRC, had only just developed radio when the Race annexed them so it just never would have occurred within the framework of the story.

Now part of the fun of these kind of Crossover is taking the Race out of their comfort zone and forcing them to, like a Big Ugly, make snap decisions.

Like imagine a crossover where the planned Conquest of Earth is postponed because the Race discovered a millennia old Ork Kill Kroozer in the crater of an airless moon with the dead, mummified remains of the Mob boyz onboard sparking fear in the liver of the Race that technological advanced races exist elsewhere in the Galaxy and, quite clearly, they are dedicated to warfare bristling with weapons both savage and incomprehensibly advanced. In response the Race cut the ship up and ship it back Home to be poured over and studied in a frenzied Manhattan-scale project that in only a few short centuries will manage the herculean task of starting to produce a modular, first-generation Warpship for colonization and military purpose opening the 2nd millennium galaxy up for them like never before.

Initial attempts go poorly as they find out outside their local star cluster is teeming with alien empires and horrors through not absolutely lopsided. What the Race lacks in raw power or experience they make up with having robust, well-refined technology they understand. Their ships can't stand toe to toe with an Ork Kroozer but they can engage at light-seconds outbound with guided missiles in giant fusillades until they run dry of ammunition or the Orks cease being a threat. Ork hordes will always overwhelm them on the ground closing the distance until they pin the Race's army in place and demolish it their use of precision guided munitions, mobility and well stoked nuclear arsenal at least ensure the Orks are bloodied.

With all of this having knockdown effects on the Race from them developing a permanent military caste to them, once they rediscover Earth, using Ginger in conjunction with a breeding program to explosively increase their manpower base. Given enough time they might even go the eugenics route trying to breed a larger, stronger faster soldier strain by selecting for those traits
 
Honestly sounds like you should just use the Krolp instead.

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Oh, the space centaur Mayan expys that he invented to milk the Avatar hype?

Totally forgot about those, but Turtledove is nothing to write home about, aside for being a huge grifter and excessively long-winded.

I lost interest in Worldwar pretty quickly.

The guy might have pioneered a few aspects of AH, but he is not much to write home about, and he is an even more massive leftoid than Eric Flint, god rest his soul, ever was, and orders of magnitude worse as a writer.
 
Oh, the space centaur Mayan expys that he invented to milk the Avatar hype?

Totally forgot about those, but Turtledove is nothing to write home about, aside for being a huge grifter and excessively long-winded.

I lost interest in Worldwar pretty quickly.

The guy might have pioneered a few aspects of AH, but he is not much to write home about, and he is an even more massive leftoid than Eric Flint, god rest his soul, ever was, and orders of magnitude worse as a writer.

Turtle's does have some retarded politics but as for Flint 1632 is a pretty shit series too imo.
 
Turtle's does have some retarded politics but as for Flint 1632 is a pretty shit series too imo.
I kinda dropped it like 3-4 books in, not including some Grantville Gazette.

Flint was overall a much better writer that did not bore me to tears with long windedness, too obvious pandering and idiot, cardboard characters.

And whenever he collaborated with some other writers like Drake or Weber he did pretty well.

Infinitely better than slogging through 1.5 - 2 books of Worldwar.
 
I kinda dropped it like 3-4 books in, not including some Grantville Gazette.

Flint was overall a much better writer that did not bore me to tears with long windedness, too obvious pandering and idiot, cardboard characters.

And whenever he collaborated with some other writers like Drake or Weber he did pretty well.

Infinitely better than slogging through 1.5 - 2 books of Worldwar.

I actually liked the first 4 books of the World War series. I disliked Colonization personally.
 
If you think Worldwar was long. Look at the universe of How Few Remain.

I think Turtledove is better in a one shot, myself. Like Guns of the South or the story where space travelling Teddy Bears with 18th century technology find Earth.
 
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If you think Worldwar was long. Look at the universe of How Few Remain.

I think Turtledove is better in a one shot, myself. Like Guns of the South or the story where space travelling Teddy Bears with 18th century technology find Earth.

How Few Remain was good up until Turtledove forced the second world war to happen.
 
If you think Worldwar was long. Look at the universe of How Few Remain.

I think Turtledove is better in a one shot, myself. Like Guns of the South or the story where space travelling Teddy Bears with 18th century technology find Earth.
Yes,Guns of the South are better then two trilogies about surviving South in WW1 and WW2 .
 
If you think Worldwar was long. Look at the universe of How Few Remain.

I think Turtledove is better in a one shot, myself. Like Guns of the South or the story where space travelling Teddy Bears with 18th century technology find Earth.
Not touching thet with a 10 foot poll.
Don't care how much genre significance it has!!!
 
That and the whole interwar USA part that allowed the Second World War in the US to happen.
Indeed.Turtledove get lazy and simply copied CSA leader as another Hitler,and blacks as CSA jews.

It should of just been the first world war and that could end with the US annexing the CSA.
True,There should be either no WW2,or later with united USA against their former german allies.
 

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