Philosophy Thoughts on Julius Evola?

Lord Sovereign

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For those who don't know, he's a reasonably famous (in NRX circles) Italian philosopher of the early/mid 20th century who even the Italian Fascists thought was barking mad. He coined the term "Ride the Tiger" is that rings any bells.

For those who do know of him, what are your thoughts on him and his philosophy? Because to my mind he's a raving lunatic who wrote fanfiction about the ancient world and seemed to hate women with a burning passion. I mean that by the way. His views on sexual assault are frankly appalling...
 

Skallagrim

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Without question, he was barking mad.

He was also, without question, very intelligent and immensely well-read. The two are not mutually exclusive. Nor is considerable intelligence incompatible with a severe "moral disonnect", vis-à-vis the well-thinking public of a Christian civilisation.

To say that the man "wrote fanfiction about the ancient world" is a bit dishonest (actually: it's very unfair to him), considering the fact that Evola was really much closer to "the Ancients" in his mentality and Weltanschauung than most every one of his contemporaries. That's a large part of why he is morally repugnant to a Christian society. His overal attitude fits better into (certain places and times of) the Ancient world than it fits into any facet of ours. Indeed, it fits better into the world of Islam than it does into our world (and indeed, he happily proclaimed Islam far more 'vitalic' than 'slavish' Christianity, and espoused jihad as a positive good).

His works are well-worth reading, and studded with quite valuable observations and insights.[*] It's just written by a man who, besides being intelligent and very educated, holds ideas that are typically antithetical to those that would allow anyone to flourish (or even function) in a Christian world.

It's been observed that if men like Carlyle, Chesterton, Tolkien, Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Jünger, Spengler and Gómez Dávila embody various constructive and admirable iterations of (and elaborations upon) the notion of "Tradition", then Evola very much embodies the shadow-side of same. Revolt against the Modern World, indeed. But by 'modern', Evola seems to mean 'everything since the fall of Rome since Julian the Aposte, actually'.

(As an aside, you can see the same impulses in the work of Nietzsche already, and -- although not as out there as Evola -- certainly in the thinking of Guénon, Schuon, Burckhardt et al. Basically, when they start jabbering on about mysticism and how Islam is more 'pure' than 'degenerate Christianity', you're mixing with the wrong crowd, as it were.)


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[*] I hasten to add, though, that the bulk of his more valuable ideas are hardly unique to him, and can be more accessibly... and comfortably... read in the works of the more 'constructive' Traditionalists I cited above.
 
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Lord Sovereign

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[*] I hasten to add, though, that the bulk of his more valuable ideas are hardly unique to him, and can be more accessibly... and comfortably... read in the works of the more 'constructive' Traditionalists I cited above.
Therein lies the problem with those such as Evola. The interesting things he says are drifting amidst a sea of bat shit insanity, whilst there are others who've said those interesting things without the baggage. It's why I find his growing prevalence among parts of the Right to be just a little concerning.
 

Skallagrim

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Therein lies the problem with those such as Evola. The interesting things he says are drifting amidst a sea of bat shit insanity, whilst there are others who've said those interesting things without the baggage. It's why I find his growing prevalence among parts of the Right to be just a little concerning.

He's 'edgy', and that equates to popularity in internet culture.

This is a guy who appealed to the zaniest and most fanatic of esoteric Nazis, and at the same time openly ridiculed the NSDAP for their race laws. (Which he critiqued on the same grounds Spengler did, as I previously mentioned to you: that 'race' ought to be seem 'spiritually', rather than biologically. They both get this stuff from Nietzsche, incidentally.)

...Nietzsche is also very popular with the edgelord crowd, come to think of it. I think that when it comes down to it, that man has a lot to answer for... ;)
 

Lord Sovereign

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He's 'edgy', and that equates to popularity in internet culture.
Quite cringe worthy, isn't it?

That aside, I remember hearing that Evola thought Heinrich Himmler was a stand up guy, or something of that variety. He much appreciated the mysticism of the SS.

What would you say are his more interesting ideas then? Because with all the blathering about "Lunar and Solar" and some of his attitudes towards women and sexual assault, I struggle to find much of value. Then again, I'm not a philosopher (quintessentially English in that regard).
 

Skallagrim

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Quite cringe worthy, isn't it?

That aside, I remember hearing that Evola thought Heinrich Himmler was a stand up guy, or something of that variety. He much appreciated the mysticism of the SS.

What would you say are his more interesting ideas then? Because with all the blathering about "Lunar and Solar" and some of his attitudes towards women and sexual assault, I struggle to find much of value. Then again, I'm not a philosopher (quintessentially English in that regard).

The weird mystical Nazis were very much "his people", in that they were also advocating against Christianity, and basically wanted to unmake Christendom.

Evola's ideas are interesting in that he was often the first to notice certain things about the Classical world, whih are now widely accepted, but "out there" when he was writing about them. His insane-sounding references to "dark sexual powers" and "embracing the inister path of Dionysius", are -- hilariously -- quite true to actual Dionysian cultism! Insane frenzies, ritualistic castration, weird stuff with snakes, weirder stuff with psychedelics and induced near-death experiences... that's what they did in Antiquity, too. Evola, decades before more thorough modern findings confirmed it, had correctly interpreted what Ancient cultic practices were truly like.

He was also foundational to the perennialist way of thinking, which seeks the through-line found in schools of philosophy and faith (and mythology). A lot of comparative cultural studies owe an uncomfortable (and oft-hidden) debt to his work. They cite sources that cite sources that cite Evola, and they ignore the implication. When you look at his ideas on the "warrior spirit", his view of it is quite accurate to the conception of historical warriors. He really does compare what Knights and Mujahidin and Samurai have in common, and he gets closer to the essence of it than most.

Problem is: that essence is profoundly alien to us. The thing that makes medieaval Knights inspiring to us are not the the things they have in common with other "warrior elites", but rather the distinctly Christian elements that mark them as different from others. The true commonalities are deeply unpleasant to us. Evola, in turn, revels in exactly those attributes. He finds them more pure, more honest. True, perhaps. But also less human. It is a facet of the same cosmic 'honesty' that Lovecraft was also depicting. Taken in a diffrent direction, but still.

In this, Evola really was a pioneer. For too long, when writing about the ancient past, we had pretended as if these were people who saw the world as we do. As if they were lik Christians, just... before Christ. Evola showed us how false that notion was, by embodying all the alien aspect of an Unchristian world, and then having the temerity to exist in a Christian world!

When thinking of a Norseman raid on an English abbey, we might envision a scene of a monk praying in his final moments, as the invaders slaughter all around him, before at last killing him. To us, that monk is the 'protagonist', whose faith rewards him hereafter. To Evola, the Norseman is the hero: living the pure life of war, and culling the world of sheep.

I find the Christian view infinitely more attractive, but the Ancient would agree with Evola. Vae victis. The way Evola tells it, that's the right way of things, and we've all gone terribly off-course. The way he tells it, he's the sane one, born in a world that's left sanity behind since the days of Constantine.

A matter of perspective, we might say.
 

Lord Sovereign

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A matter of perspective, we might say.
Blinkered perspective. Evola is one of those people who'd be blood eagled by the Northmen, he wouldn't be a Viking himself. Evola also proceeds to forget that "cowardly Christians" includes Alfred the Great (a man far braver than Evola), who proceeded to stomp the Norse into a bloody paste.

That aside, the peoples of the ancient world are different from us but not quite as different as Evola might think. There are definitely through lines from them to us, a common human experience that unites Homo Sapiens. As an example, Rome's reaction to a bunch of Vestal Virgins being slaughtered and raped in their own temple would be as volcanic (a frankly impossible scenario, I know, but in terms of weight not far off from how the Anglo Saxons felt about Lindisfarne) as any other civilisation who just had their holy men killed on sacred ground. The Northmen would have been dreaded by the pre-Roman Mediterranean. Indeed, they dreaded each other!
 

Navarro

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Quite cringe worthy, isn't it?

That aside, I remember hearing that Evola thought Heinrich Himmler was a stand up guy, or something of that variety. He much appreciated the mysticism of the SS.
He didn't just appreciate mysticism, he literally thought magic was real (he even got crippled by Allied bombers as a result of walking around Vienna during an air raid, confident his protective spells would shield him from harm). Dude was totally batshit.
 
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Lord Sovereign

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He didn't just appreciate mysticism, he literally thought magic was real (he even got crippled by Allied bombers as a result of walking around Vienna during an air raid, confident his protective spells would shield him from harm). Dude was totally batshit.
Good grief, I knew he was already off his rocker but the rabbit hole always seems to go deeper with this man. I might have mentioned his attitudes towards sexual assault earlier, but he genuinely believed rape to be a natural expression of male desire or something like that.

I’m sorry, but the fact that anyone takes this maniac seriously is profoundly concerning to my mind. “Philosophical virtues” be damned.
 

Cherico

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Good grief, I knew he was already off his rocker but the rabbit hole always seems to go deeper with this man. I might have mentioned his attitudes towards sexual assault earlier, but he genuinely believed rape to be a natural expression of male desire or something like that.

I’m sorry, but the fact that anyone takes this maniac seriously is profoundly concerning to my mind. “Philosophical virtues” be damned.
Some times madmen give out the occasional gem of actual wisdom in their rants and utter truths no one else would dare utter.
 

ParadiseLost

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I find the Christian view infinitely more attractive, but the Ancient would agree with Evola. Vae victis. The way Evola tells it, that's the right way of things, and we've all gone terribly off-course. The way he tells it, he's the sane one, born in a world that's left sanity behind since the days of Constantine.
It would make him less evolved (in mindset). Cultural conquest is no less conquest.
 

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