Things that piss you off about fiction?

Zachowon said:
When they dont incite terrorism sure
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Dude, I’ve seen guys on SB, they think ANTIFA are great guys and they won’t call them terrorists and just think they’re freedom fighters of a sort or aren’t doing any horrible stuff to begin with and even compare them with regular superheroes

I still remember that one Worm/Symphogear fic

Call me crazy or obsessed but there is something you gotta get annoyed with a user saying “ANTIFA Purity” as a description....I swear they weren’t this obsessed with the E88 years ago
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Dude, I’ve seen guys on SB, they think ANTIFA are great guys and they won’t call them terrorists and just think they’re freedom fighters of a sort or aren’t doing any horrible stuff to begin with and even compare them with regular superheroes

I still remember that one Worm/Symphogear fic

Call me crazy or obsessed but there is something you gotta get annoyed with a user saying “ANTIFA Purity” as a description....I swear they weren’t this obsessed with the E88 years ago
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I am glad the military doesnt allow protests in uniform. Because any pro military pro police pro 2nd amendment laws things would go bad.

But that is another thing that pisses me off about fiction.
The military is useless!
 
Zachowon said:
But that is another thing that pisses me off about fiction.
The military is useless!
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And made of cannon fodder

I'm not American, but I think that your military pretty much only allows perfect or absolutely no mental or physical problems whatsoever before entering, and have to be whittled down in training before they're even allowed to call themselves part of the armed forces.

And that's why they actually cost so much......"Military Industrial Complex" acts as if they're really fucking cheap and incompetent
 
Zachowon said:
I am glad the military doesnt allow protests in uniform. Because any pro military pro police pro 2nd amendment laws things would go bad.
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Wait, what? Protests in uniform?

Also, I think if they protest in uniform, they won't be received well



Can see lots of Nazi and Police State accusations if they did that
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
And made of cannon fodder

I'm not American, but I think that your military pretty much only allows perfect or absolutely no mental or physical problems whatsoever before entering, and have to be whittled down in training before they're even allowed to call themselves part of the armed forces.

And that's why they actually cost so much......"Military Industrial Complex" acts as if they're really fucking cheap and incompetent
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You cant have a history of major physical issues or mental issues. Minor stuff ir stuff long ago is fine as long as your good physically. Depends on branch and Job your gonna do.

And America spends more on thier military then some do on thier whole countru
CarlManvers2019 said:
Wait, what? Protests in uniform?

Also, I think if they protest in uniform, they won't be received well



Can see lots of Nazi and Police State accusations if they did that
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Are not allowed to. But people break that rule all the time
 
One thing I'd note above other, more minor or forgivable, complaints, is when an author's success leads into their own editing or their publisher's editing of their works down to fade into nothingness.

The largest examples which occur to me being Tom Clancy, Robert Jordan, and David Weber. All three have some damn good, perhaps even great, works under their belt, but in all three cases by my experience (incomplete with Jordan, admittedly), initial heights in all three cases slowly succumb to a more and more absent editing process that sees storylines and character interactions that should be the meat of any story overtaken by technical manual or pointless, wandering, almanac-style worldbuilding in their later novels. Clancy and Weber in the 'narrate technology and object actions for multiple pages' avenue, and Jordan in the 'go on and on for a few pages about the wood that makes up the bed the main character is waking up in' style. Tight and composed storylines that make for great novels thus grow into these doorstoppers where, while there might be some good stuff within, sees it buried under technical details and 'conference table discussion' disease instead of anything which makes for an engaging read--Jordan especially I, for one, got to the point of skipping past paragraphs and even pages at a time because the dude's ability to keep any kind of rein on himself seemed to gradually abandon him after the first few books.

*prinCZess fades into distance ranting about Tom Clancy and Weber's similar failures*
 
prinCZess said:
One thing I'd note above other, more minor or forgivable, complaints, is when an author's success leads into their own editing or their publisher's editing of their works down to fade into nothingness.

The largest examples which occur to me being Tom Clancy, Robert Jordan, and David Weber. All three have some damn good, perhaps even great, works under their belt, but in all three cases by my experience (incomplete with Jordan, admittedly), initial heights in all three cases slowly succumb to a more and more absent editing process that sees storylines and character interactions that should be the meat of any story overtaken by technical manual or pointless, wandering, almanac-style worldbuilding in their later novels. Clancy and Weber in the 'narrate technology and object actions for multiple pages' avenue, and Jordan in the 'go on and on for a few pages about the wood that makes up the bed the main character is waking up in' style. Tight and composed storylines that make for great novels thus grow into these doorstoppers where, while there might be some good stuff within, sees it buried under technical details and 'conference table discussion' disease instead of anything which makes for an engaging read--Jordan especially I, for one, got to the point of skipping past paragraphs and even pages at a time because the dude's ability to keep any kind of rein on himself seemed to gradually abandon him after the first few books.

*prinCZess fades into distance ranting about Tom Clancy and Weber's similar failures*
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You could also include Karen Traviss into this as well. Without an editor (a good one) she really is not the best. With an editor she is pretty good.

And Clancy varied all the time. Some better then others
 
I'm not sure if this is about fiction but a lot of commentary media I can't help but feel disgustingly tries to weaponize it. Example of this is how I recently watched just writes review of the rise of Skywalker and his one for changes. And that Parts fine but was the justifications and gave me a little ill. Is it just me or is everyone obsessed about turning everything from political policy reporting and especially popular fiction the people in your greed talked about in her subtly influence in order to win Twitter arguments

Brooksville me no politics and fiction I think that's what they mean anything new they think that this is a recent hypocritical desire. Naturally whenever they see political or social or moralizing messages that are either Insidious or blatant but they disagree with the can't wait to condemn it or tell everybody of how awful they are or how dangerous these ideas are.

The fact that people have been saying both same with regards to puritanism and social justice I can definitely see it. What's disgusting is you can tell that they probably got a lot of this moral opting by saying don't freak out about fiction and fictional ideas and then they turn around and say do take it to heart do you expand. It seems so disgustingly insincere

It's for this reason why even as much as I disagree with them I don't have a problem with people on 4chan swinging around homophobic slurs we're being confused about Rachel recasting right number of things. At least of which I don't believe fiction has the right of way. I can't help but think a lot of these guys really have a self-importance and thought as opposed to people and their own worth in value. This is why no matter what morals a champion I can't help but feel as if it's false. Which would be okay I guess it's just kept things to the fictional. Someone called literature devil on YouTube pointed it out like this. At the end of his YouTube video about how Ray is a Mary Sue and Luke Skywalker is not he points out that a lot of critics for Defenders act with this missile when someone takes pictures of seriously but then acts like the next Martin Luther King when they criticize it through the window of social justice or changing the role of gender roles. And the thing is I can appreciate this when otherwise someone pretty darn good at work and minding the technical details over just toss it is it in like I totally like the YouTuber cellspex but there's just some stuff about her review and Closs that just feels off. And then you have those commenters it feels like they're doing nothing but trying to build up a base Nord attack other YouTubers or alter Community opinion like a lily Orchard

it's made it hard to enjoy fiction because of large part of enjoying it for me was geeking out with fellow consumers upset fiction. But now they're so eager and so butthurt over arguments that can't even let people have and then act like they're doing the world an activist paper that it makes me want to punch their teeth in. It's not even the opinions they it's the fact that they think they're actually defending my right to date who I want for expanding my rights but then run away whenever an actual hard things but political activism and education are aside from just agree with me or realize that I'm right. That's why they remind me of the worst kind of evangelist
 
prinCZess said:
One thing I'd note above other, more minor or forgivable, complaints, is when an author's success leads into their own editing or their publisher's editing of their works down to fade into nothingness.

The largest examples which occur to me being Tom Clancy, Robert Jordan, and David Weber. All three have some damn good, perhaps even great, works under their belt, but in all three cases by my experience (incomplete with Jordan, admittedly), initial heights in all three cases slowly succumb to a more and more absent editing process that sees storylines and character interactions that should be the meat of any story overtaken by technical manual or pointless, wandering, almanac-style worldbuilding in their later novels. Clancy and Weber in the 'narrate technology and object actions for multiple pages' avenue, and Jordan in the 'go on and on for a few pages about the wood that makes up the bed the main character is waking up in' style. Tight and composed storylines that make for great novels thus grow into these doorstoppers where, while there might be some good stuff within, sees it buried under technical details and 'conference table discussion' disease instead of anything which makes for an engaging read--Jordan especially I, for one, got to the point of skipping past paragraphs and even pages at a time because the dude's ability to keep any kind of rein on himself seemed to gradually abandon him after the first few books.

*prinCZess fades into distance ranting about Tom Clancy and Weber's similar failures*
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I think it's a pretty common problem with writers in general. It's just a bloat. Editors of those first novels compel tighter reads of novels which are far easier to consume but the more famous and lucrative a writer becomes, the less influential proper editing is and while with good authors it mostly just reflected in overly well written verbiage and prose inflating page lengths and numerous displays of the writers own flair for describing the mundane and technical.

For a more visual example, it's like comparing the short six episode Season One the Walking Dead... with every subsequent season... the second especially. (y)
 
When a character is stated by others to be a Blood Knight, but most of the time he’s only really fighting because he’s forced to or in order to protect others

It’s an informed trait/flaw

Even in-universe, a villain saying that sounds like they’re just trying to put said character on their level

I’d believe it more if they fight and/or kill unnecessarily or you can see their facial expression and maybe even them laughing or talking about how fun it is rather than being stated by others to

Say, anybody here play Katana Zero? One particularly sadistic villain says similar, but turns out he may have a point in the protagonist being an insane mass murderer with extreme bloodlust

You can do a stealth mission with no killing....only for the MC to murder a homeless man just because
 
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