History The Rights Of The Court To Punish.

Megadeath

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No, the prison is supposed to punish people, the judicial process is supposed to discover if a person needs to be punished.
Sort of true, I should have said the legal system to encompass prison and other elements. The judiciary can level punitive fines and issue various orders which could also be seen as a form of punishment.

Yes, but normally you're supposed to be found guilty to be punished. Using the expense and hassle of defending yourself as a punishment in itself isn't how it's supposed to be.
In that sense, you could consider the judicial system burdensome on everyone who's charged with anything, guilty and innocent alike. To have a point, I'd think you'd have to prove that there couldn't possibly be a legal case in this instance and the action is taken purely to cause trouble without an expectation of success.

If you actually can do that, perhaps you ought to be filing an amicus brief to exonerate the poor guy rather than wasting your time here?
 

Bear Ribs

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In that sense, you could consider the judicial system burdensome on everyone who's charged with anything, guilty and innocent alike. To have a point, I'd think you'd have to prove that there couldn't possibly be a legal case in this instance and the action is taken purely to cause trouble without an expectation of success.

If you actually can do that, perhaps you ought to be filing an amicus brief to exonerate the poor guy rather than wasting your time here?
No, I don't think so. I'm perfectly capable of commenting on a message board that you should be innocent until proven guilty, and then going back to drawing a Zeppelin flying dinosaurs, and leaving the filing of briefs to the professionals.

I do indeed consider that the judicial system is burdensome on everybody charged with anything. I've been in it's crosshairs for specious reasons before and only escaped due to copious use of money. I can therefore judge by experience that it's unfair to people who don't have copious amounts of money to spend and can agitate for it's reform without actually being a lawyer. Personally I think lawyers should all be pro-bono* and defense selected by something akin to a lottery to avoid the wealthy being able to avoid better law than the poor.


*lawyers that deal with criminal charges that is, it should be fine to charge people wanting their wills made or rental agreements drawn up, etc.
 

Megadeath

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No, I don't think so. I'm perfectly capable of commenting on a message board that you should be innocent until proven guilty, and then going back to drawing a Zeppelin flying dinosaurs, and leaving the filing of briefs to the professionals.

I do indeed consider that the judicial system is burdensome on everybody charged with anything. I've been in it's crosshairs for specious reasons before and only escaped due to copious use of money. I can therefore judge by experience that it's unfair to people who don't have copious amounts of money to spend and can agitate for it's reform without actually being a lawyer. Personally I think lawyers should all be pro-bono* and defense selected by something akin to a lottery to avoid the wealthy being able to avoid better law than the poor.


*lawyers that deal with criminal charges that is, it should be fine to charge people wanting their wills made or rental agreements drawn up, etc.
Whelp... I'm tentatively sorry to hear about your own experience, but honestly kinda agree on the rest. I don't think it's possible to have a system that's entirely perfect, but I do think significant improvement on the present system are possible.

That said, perhaps we're getting a bit off the threads intended topic.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
Pretty sure this is all covered by the first ammendment.

But if that precident is created well the tech companies are even more blantantly guilty of that.
People seem to keep forgetting that according to the left, the rules do not apply to them, or at least not in the same way. ;)
 

Cherico

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People seem to keep forgetting that according to the left, the rules do not apply to them, or at least not in the same way. ;)

Then the quickest way to break them is to make them follow the same rules they impose on every one else yes?
 

Cherico

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And how is that accomplished when no one is holding them accountable?


Never said this was going to be easy, were going to have to start at local level guys and work our way up the chain. Its going to be a long painful process, but then it took awhile for things to get fucked so it make sense it will take awhile to fix things.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
This looks like a fragment from some other discussion.

It is, it was split from another thread.

An on topic, taking over education and law system is basically what Left has always tried to do: they impose their standards and make anything approaching sanity essentially illegal. And since courts are there to enforce law... well, you get the picture.
 

Scottty

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It is, it was split from another thread.

An on topic, taking over education and law system is basically what Left has always tried to do: they impose their standards and make anything approaching sanity essentially illegal. And since courts are there to enforce law... well, you get the picture.

Yeah, everything for them seems to be all about power.
I'm reminded of something CS Lewis said, about a Communist he'd met who brushed away all criticism of that ideology with "When the Revolution comes you'll be mown down!"
CS Lewis commented: "he argued, as cancer might argue if it could talk, that he must be right because he can kill me!"
 

Cherico

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It is, it was split from another thread.

An on topic, taking over education and law system is basically what Left has always tried to do: they impose their standards and make anything approaching sanity essentially illegal. And since courts are there to enforce law... well, you get the picture.


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To understand the left look at the triangle there are three core values.

Liberty, Stability/Fraternity, and Equality all of these are mutually exclusive desires. To have more of one means sacerficing more of the other two.

The left only values equality and they have pretty much made a cult around it. The murder, gulags and horrific out comes are logical outcomes of their mentality which is why they constantly throw out the lie 'not real socialism'. Its also why dispite having different ideas everything has the same shitty outcome.

The modern 'right' is a grand alliance of people with liberty and stability as their core values this created conservatism, it wasnt however enough and the GOP is moving into the exact center of the triangle. This is populism a grand alliance of a bunch of people with conflicting desires.

It normally only happens when some one has fucked up bad, The more extreme the left gets the stronger populism will get until they win and slaughter every one involved...then the left collapses all the things and the next government is a reaction against their fuck ups.

Vensuela after they truely collapse will be one of the most conservative countries in the americas when the process is finished.
 

Cherico

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Well, they say they do, but their version of that always seems to go in the direction of "All are Equal, but Some are More Equal Than Others".

thats due to the law of olagarchy which is envitable for any government, or any system where humans organize themselves.

In a way its almost tragic, imagine if your core value the thing you value the most in the world the thing that drive your entire world view and the foundation of your entire phisopical out look was impossible.

People who value stability, they can get it by a series of kludge decisions that kind of hold things together, people who value freedom they can achieve a lot of what they want by simply having a smaller government that leaves people in relative peace or by moving out into the boonies.

Government systems based on a foundation of stabilty have centuries of proven success and can name off a series of empires and kingdoms that lasted generations.

Goveernment systems based on a foundation of liberty can boast of several successful nations including situations where they had useless rocks in the middle of nowhere which became successful merchant kingdoms or empires one of these examples being the unites states of america.


Meanwhile for them they have the great terror of france the repeated faliures of socialist and communist countries. Their legacy is one of faliure, death and destruction. Its enough to drive a lot of people mad.
 

Megadeath

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Goveernment systems based on a foundation of liberty can boast of several successful nations including situations where they had useless rocks in the middle of nowhere which became successful merchant kingdoms or empires one of these examples being the unites states of america.

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Lol! America was built on a foundation of freedom? They certainly turned that way over time but the initial work, the actual foundation on which the country was built, was the work of the British colonisers. The subjects of the British Empire, who achieved the success they did because people, materials and wealth were provided by a decidedly unfree form of government and society.

Then, they declared their emancipation, insisted that no one had the right to treat them that way and they deserved life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... And then set about importing other people, who were treated worse than cattle and worked to death, stripped rather starkly of life, liberty and happiness along with everything else.

But don't worry, it was only about a hundred years before they got over that whole thing. I think it's safe to say though that between the English colonial period and the hundred years of slavery, we're well past the point where you can claim America is built on a foundation of liberty!
 

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