CarlManvers2019
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How do these 5 wizards do in a land full of monstergirls?
Where things like this exist
Lord of the Rings The Istari are sent by Eru Illuvatar to the world of Monster Girl Encyclopedia
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How do these 5 wizards do in a land full of monstergirls?
Where things like this exist
Syzygy
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Monstergirls are horrifying perversions of natural creatures and beings whose very method of reproduction exemplifies the concept of corruption, evil's modus operandi. Considering the narrative underpinning of Tolkien's work and the settings fundaments, I suspect a great purging of local wildlife would begin. Any existing institutions dedicated to expunging the taint of monstergirls and their ilk would undoubtably be given a helping hand.
CarlManvers2019
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Syzygy
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As beings created to enforce the will of Eru, and monstergirls actively, if unintentionally, causing the downfall of humanity through explicit corruption, it is likely they would, especially since the Istari are all but confirmed to be asexual beings. The vile deeds perpetuated by such salacious monsters is disgusting, if not insulting, to them.
Not to mention each and every one of those "girls" are literal demons. Demons with somewhat decent PR, but demons nonetheless.
Not to mention each and every one of those "girls" are literal demons. Demons with somewhat decent PR, but demons nonetheless.
CarlManvers2019
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Could Eru Illuvatar truly be without mercy towards them?
Syzygy
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Eru's mercy is irrelevant since it is the interpretation of his will through the Ainur that is carried out.
Personally, I doubt Eru is very merciful at all since the ultimate fate of his opposition is often extremely unpleasant and ironic; Morgoth is condemned to spin through space helpless to do anything but behold the creation he desperately coveted, and Ungoiliant likely succumbed to her infinite hunger and literally ate herself.
Personally, I doubt Eru is very merciful at all since the ultimate fate of his opposition is often extremely unpleasant and ironic; Morgoth is condemned to spin through space helpless to do anything but behold the creation he desperately coveted, and Ungoiliant likely succumbed to her infinite hunger and literally ate herself.
Eru is our God,becouse Tolkien was catholic.
Which means,that he would condemn sinner to Hell - just like HE condemned Luciper - but not those who do not made evil deeds without free will.
God would probably purge monstergirls from their rape inctinct - and then those who decide to live good life would be treated like good humans,and those who decide follow satan would go to him,just like human sinners.
Well, considering that above their need for a husband and sex, the monstergirl desperately fear going back to the circle where they were genuine monsters eating humans. So I believe only a very few would want to follow Satan.
But then again, Satan is not obvious in his actions, and even the most pure person can be persuaded into commiting the most vile deeds if they believed it necessary or just.
Bear Ribs
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This is going to be heavily dependent on which canon you use for MGE. In the last year or so Kenkou Cross has been extremely busy retconning the setting and removing a lot of elements that made it. From what I've been told (don't really follow the setting) now monsters are no longer inherently corrupting, can avoid releasing DE if they don't want to, respect marriages between men and women, and Lescatie was an aberration and monsters don't normally do any invasions or attacks on humans. Monsters are never pedophilic and don't ever rape, that was just a bad translation and really they only act seductive.
Oh, and humans in the MGE setting spawn tons of guys for ever female birth so there's plenty of men to go around and monsters totally don't need to make any real effort. It's not clear why the heck half of Lescatie including all their major players were pining for Elt and decided to be his harem when they could have a couple husbands each but apparently Lescatie is being quietly pushed to the corner and ignored anyway. The monsters can also quietly curbstomp the Order anytime they feel like it and allow it to exist because they're so understanding and compassionate, and because the Order and Chief God can't do a thing to hurt them anyway.
So needless to say modern MGE looks absolutely nothing like the MGE of a few years back. If you use that canon it's not clear that the Istari will even have anything to do since there's no problems anywhere anymore.
Oh, and humans in the MGE setting spawn tons of guys for ever female birth so there's plenty of men to go around and monsters totally don't need to make any real effort. It's not clear why the heck half of Lescatie including all their major players were pining for Elt and decided to be his harem when they could have a couple husbands each but apparently Lescatie is being quietly pushed to the corner and ignored anyway. The monsters can also quietly curbstomp the Order anytime they feel like it and allow it to exist because they're so understanding and compassionate, and because the Order and Chief God can't do a thing to hurt them anyway.
So needless to say modern MGE looks absolutely nothing like the MGE of a few years back. If you use that canon it's not clear that the Istari will even have anything to do since there's no problems anywhere anymore.
CarlManvers2019
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I've seen guys on SB say that it's still pure evil and go on melodramatically talking about humanity
Bear Ribs
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Yes, and they absolutely had a point pre-retcon albeit I didn't agree with everything there. If you look at the current SB thread most of it is about how none of that applies anymore thanks to the massive retcons that are still underway.
Well,then Eru must remove their urge to eat people,too.He is our God,after all,and he want Free Will at all cost - even if it means,that some angels and people would choose Hell.
After that,all monstergirls would be treated just like humans - good for Heaven,bad for Hell.
To be fair, the original creator deity of MGE has left to somewhere, and in their place an angel who's hopelessly out of her depth has been put forward. It's a mess.
So,becouse Eru created everything,he also must create MGE and left it to incopetent angel.Now when HE COME BACK, monstergirls would be treated as humans/after being made free from rape/kill instincs./
Monstergirls in Hell - why not? many humans are going there,too.
CarlManvers2019
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The "Chief God" of MGE is responsible for making both "monsters" and "demon lords" to lead them alongside what appears to be a possibly relatively recent repeated cycle of "monsters" are lead by the "demon lord" to go off and wipe as much of the human population out before a "hero" is empowered to turn the tides of war
Said "demon lord" can be killed but replaced
This "Angel" would essentially have decided "Okay, this Morgoth was a good idea, no need to assign the existence of an Epimetheus, let's go Idea of Evil on this mudball outpost"
Yeah, I've heard that Morgoth really was supposed to function as Super-Overseer-Architect for Arda with every other Valar submitting their work for editing and such
What we have to figure out:
A) Is Eru Illuvatar actually a multiverse spanning entity?
B) Is Eru Illuvatar actually all that involved in a universe after it is created?
C) If Eru Illuvatar is the Catholic God, would being created as a bioweapon to wipe out a species, then getting a botched (due to outside factors) reprogramming grounds to deny sapient beings His mercy?
Now, I'm working off of the pre-retcon stuff (some of which might actually be in universe progression to a monster girl win-state). But I would think A) God would be okay with a demon repenting and trying to do good, and B) would be pretty forgiving when a lifeform is basically having its brain try to run two conflicting urges (attack humans and find husbando) at the same time. I imagine He would side-eye the shit out of the loli monster girls though, but AFAIK, that wasn't an intentional thing, they just turned out that way.
Where things get tricky is figuring out if Eru Illuvatar (let's assume he's not Catholic God here for a bit) even fucking knows what's going on in other universes or is even in the habit of intervening in any universe outside the one that leads to LOTR. If the answer is No to either one of those, then Eru can't really complain that beings from other universes are weird and operating outside what he intended. Otherwise he's being a massive bitch about the fact that shit went off the rails without active involvement to keep things on those rails.
What Eru can do once these beings are in the same universe as him is either smite them or change their behavior. Let's assume that Eru is not going to simply smite these creatures for being outside his initial control, so that leaves changing behavior. Since a lot of the problem seems to be inherited behaviors passed on through genetics, which should easily be within Eru's power to analyze and comprehend, that's a simple fix if there's no competing force of equal/greater power to interfere, along with any gender imbalance stuff.
Now, what we need to know is the power scaling of Eru to gods native to the MGE universe, again assuming that Eru =/= Catholic God for the sake of argument. Now, if Eru is just straight up OP compared to the native deities, Lilith will be putting out the divine powerpoint to sell Eru on this being the opportunity to fix all the problems so she and her husband can finally retire. Hell, even if Eru and company aren't OP, she'll put out the powerpoint, because she'd want any potential advantage to help win the stupid divine tug of war match she's in. And to be fair, in terms of "giving a shit about those under her protection," she's objectively more reasonable and sane than the rival that's trying to keep slow motion genocide going for no apparent reason.
A) Is Eru Illuvatar actually a multiverse spanning entity?
B) Is Eru Illuvatar actually all that involved in a universe after it is created?
C) If Eru Illuvatar is the Catholic God, would being created as a bioweapon to wipe out a species, then getting a botched (due to outside factors) reprogramming grounds to deny sapient beings His mercy?
Now, I'm working off of the pre-retcon stuff (some of which might actually be in universe progression to a monster girl win-state). But I would think A) God would be okay with a demon repenting and trying to do good, and B) would be pretty forgiving when a lifeform is basically having its brain try to run two conflicting urges (attack humans and find husbando) at the same time. I imagine He would side-eye the shit out of the loli monster girls though, but AFAIK, that wasn't an intentional thing, they just turned out that way.
Where things get tricky is figuring out if Eru Illuvatar (let's assume he's not Catholic God here for a bit) even fucking knows what's going on in other universes or is even in the habit of intervening in any universe outside the one that leads to LOTR. If the answer is No to either one of those, then Eru can't really complain that beings from other universes are weird and operating outside what he intended. Otherwise he's being a massive bitch about the fact that shit went off the rails without active involvement to keep things on those rails.
What Eru can do once these beings are in the same universe as him is either smite them or change their behavior. Let's assume that Eru is not going to simply smite these creatures for being outside his initial control, so that leaves changing behavior. Since a lot of the problem seems to be inherited behaviors passed on through genetics, which should easily be within Eru's power to analyze and comprehend, that's a simple fix if there's no competing force of equal/greater power to interfere, along with any gender imbalance stuff.
Now, what we need to know is the power scaling of Eru to gods native to the MGE universe, again assuming that Eru =/= Catholic God for the sake of argument. Now, if Eru is just straight up OP compared to the native deities, Lilith will be putting out the divine powerpoint to sell Eru on this being the opportunity to fix all the problems so she and her husband can finally retire. Hell, even if Eru and company aren't OP, she'll put out the powerpoint, because she'd want any potential advantage to help win the stupid divine tug of war match she's in. And to be fair, in terms of "giving a shit about those under her protection," she's objectively more reasonable and sane than the rival that's trying to keep slow motion genocide going for no apparent reason.
CarlManvers2019
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How direct would Eru be though? Because I think he’s more of a fan of “mysterious ways” or working through the intelligence and good nature of others to get a good endgoal
How direct would Eru be though? Because I think he’s more of a fan of “mysterious ways” or working through the intelligence and good nature of others to get a good endgoal
Bear Ribs
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Yeah, I think if Eru was the type to assume direct control Morgoth would have lasted half a minute. And plenty of creatures seem to be innately evil with no good in them (dragons f'rex, and Ungoliant and her spawn) without Eru deciding to modify their brains.
Eru ultimately designed his universe so that evil couldn't triumph in the long run. Morgoth spread his power so wide trying to control armies he diminished himself. Sauron thought he learned from that and concentrated his power into the One Ring only to see it all melt in a volcano. Ultimately the world is set up so that any attempt to take over the world will end up failing in the long run, with Eru only needing to send minor corrective envoys like the Istari to keep things on track and reduce how long the "long run" really is.
Eru ultimately designed his universe so that evil couldn't triumph in the long run. Morgoth spread his power so wide trying to control armies he diminished himself. Sauron thought he learned from that and concentrated his power into the One Ring only to see it all melt in a volcano. Ultimately the world is set up so that any attempt to take over the world will end up failing in the long run, with Eru only needing to send minor corrective envoys like the Istari to keep things on track and reduce how long the "long run" really is.